Vets to resurrect cross at California site in the desert

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  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    with perfect hindsight, they should have just erected an obelisk, or monolith, and there may have been no issue, however with some people, you never know.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    I think there are 5 boys out there who have a pretty skewed view of the world.

    No, the words "separation of church and state" are not found in the Constitution...

    ...neither is it found anywhere that churches should be tax exempt...

    ...neither are the words "Christian nation", nor "Christ", nor "Jesus", nor anything like unto it...

    ...neither is it found anywhere in the Constitution that Church and State should be married, combined, established together, integrated, or even tolerated together...

    The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of separation from the epitome of the powers of Church and State combined: the British Crown. Anyone who asserts that Thomas Jefferson and his colleagues were NOT intending exactly what Jefferson said they were intending, has no credibility in any discussion of history, much less politics, and certainly not religion!

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    What if the Founding Fathers had granted Dad'a wish to always have plenty of church influence on public policy? It's understandable enough - just make sure the Humanists don't highjack government completely by keeping, say, a council of religious people near the government in an advisory capacity to express approval or disapproval on issues touching on religion. No police power,only to recommend.
    One problem would have been such a council's influence on the promotion or opposition to NEW churches with NEW beliefs. How would early 19th century elders looked on the emergence of Mormonism, led by the young, untrained Joseph Smith, who claimed to have received revelations from God?
    How would this quasi-official council acted in such circumstances? I think I can guarantee that it would have been as overtly opposed to such a new church as possible, probably up to approving violence against this new church's members as they were chased from state to state.
    How lucky for us that there was and IS no such "religious influence" council, and that matters pertaining to formal religion are NOT controlled by government. "Separation of church and state"? Hooray!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:44 a.m.

    OK dad, You win.

    Those exact words are not there.

    However, it is not unusual to paraphrase in an order to help clarify meaning. Can you agree on that?

    So, as you are probably aware, the term "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson as a way to describe what he felt was the meaning of the constitution.

    That said, I think the outcome in the desert works for all.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Nov. 11, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    I want to have any one show me were in the US Constitution does it say separation of church and state? Show me quote section and article any were.