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  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:58 a.m.

    @Counter Intelligence

    Look at our nation's two-term Presidents dating back to Theodore Roosevelt. None of them had a better second term than first term.

    TR's second term was totally uneventful.

    Woodrow Wilson's second term included World War I, his stroke and the failure of the League of Nations.

    FDR's second term included his attempt to pack the Supreme Court.

    Truman's second term included the Korean War.

    Ike's second term included a recession and failures with the U2 spy plane.

    LBJ's second term included Vietnam and race riots.

    Nixon's second term included Watergate.

    Reagan's second term included Iran Contra.

    Clinton's second term included his impeachment and attack on the USS Cole.

    Bush's second term included Mark Foley, Hurricane Katrina and the Fannie and Freddie collapse.

    In fairness, there were good things that occurred during certain President's second term, but if history is any indicator, Obama's worst days in the White House are in front of him, and try as he might he won't be able to blame Congress for all his problems.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    So now the "strict constructionists" of the Constitution that post on this site think we should elect our president based on land mass instead of population. Hilarious.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Nov. 13, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    @mike richards

    So you believe that the Senate and the presidents only role when it comes to the budget should be to rubber stamp what every comes out of congress?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Obama may have won, but at great cost.

    His scorched earth policy of "kill Romney" rather than touting his own record, combined with his use of race, gender and class warfare leave the country horribly divided and many people with less respect for him than they had before.

    Second terms often do not go well (Bush, Rocky Anderson) and are even worse when there is no one to save you (like republicans, who forced Clinton to the center)

    Obama may have crossed the finish line - but he burnt all of his bridges in the process

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:32 a.m.

    The problem we have is very simple. The President wants to force his will on Congress. He has a "friend" in Senator Reid, who will not even let the Senate vote on bills that are conservative.

    The President cannot legislate. He cannot use his office to dictate to Congress. His duties are to sign legislation and then to enforce the laws passed by Congress.

    The Senate has no authority over the House. Some duties are similar to the duties of the House, but the Constitution does not require the consent of the Senate in passing a budget.

    The House is the only body in government which is directly responsible to the people. The House has the ultimate responsibility to reject any ideas not supported by the people.

    Regardless of how much ranting comes out of the White House, the House must ignore Obama's bullying tactics as it formulates a budget, a budget that represents the will of the people.

    The President is one man. The Senate is one-hundred men and women. The House is four-hundred thirty-five men and women.

    The House MUST have the integrity to answer to the People.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    Mike Richards,

    First, let me say that my guy did not win.

    Second, something has changed. The timeline. Many in Congress thought that they could wait him out for the four year term. Now that there is another four year term, waiting him out is less realistic.

    Third, I have seen such maps. But as the constitution spells out, we vote for president via the electoral college. In that system, most electors vote based on their state’s results and most states are winner take all

    Fourth, one man in the White House certainly does not decide what Congress should do. But he (constitutionally) carries a lot of authority and they need him to cooperate unless they can muster a supermajority for every bill.

    Yes, the people chose a Republican majority for the House. But not the Senate (and the tide was not going the Republican’s way either).

    The expressed will of the people is not quite as one sided as you make it out to be.

    L White,

    Obama cannot say he was elected by the people and neither can any other president. But that is how they say it anyway.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:24 p.m.


    "as your arrogant president seems to think"

    did you move out of the country since the election? if not that would be our president.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:21 p.m.

    @l white

    "The election is not over. Foolish people tell us that they elected Obama. They did no such thing. Obama WILL BE elected by electors, not by popular vote. About three hundred people will elect Obana, about one for every million citizens."

    your right its the same process that every modern president has been elected by, the peoples popular vote (he majority of the population) and then our electors go and make our voice heard. the only way that our voice would not be heard is if the electors went against the majority of voters, so unless Romney wins the peoples voice was heard. So again not really understanding how your argument really changes the fact Obama was voted by the majority of americans (so by definition not a republican nation) and will remain president.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    RE: KGB1 I haven't seen anybody in the GOP dispute that your guy won. Yeah it's puzzling, but either way you cut it, e. college or straight vote count, he won. My point is, that it wasn't a mandate, or a landslide, as your arrogant president seems to think, or most of his flunky followers, like you. A 1-2% margin is very minimal and only indicates a small favoring by the electorate. If my guy won by that margin, I would happily admit that it was a very close election, and that he is not supported by a large percentage of the citizens.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    @L White
    So I have to wonder how little you must think of the rest of us if you think we do not understand land area does not equate population? Do you understand juab county which makes up seven times the land area of new york city has a total population of just over 10,000 people compared to new york city with 8.8 million people? the entire population of juab county would fit in one high rise apartment building in new york. land area does not equal majority of the population. More people voted for Obama then voted for Romney, so by that measure alone we are not a republican nation.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:38 p.m.

    L. White and HaHaHaHa:

    I'm sure that's exactly what you'd be saying if Romney won. You'd be saying that the electoral college elected him instead of the people and that winning 50.6% of the popular vote is no mandate and that he'd better compromise with Democrats. Right?

    Do you guys want to go on losing elections? Just keep talking like this.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Nice letter. That Mike Richards is a real funny comedian. Where does he get his material?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Still funny to see, that a 1.5% effective margin difference in the election, is still considered a landslide, by the hyper slobbering Democrats. They always forget about the 48.5% of the people, who voted against the anointed ruler Obama. That equals dozens of millions of people. Not to mention all the DN turncoat, wannabee conservative posters on these boards, but are really libs and don't want to admit it, that claim they really wished to vote for Romney, but just couldn't. They must represent several million people's viewpoint also. Then there are the Union hacks, who go out and vote for the regime, because their vote was paid for, or they are just following orders. Lastly there are the weak minded who voted for the regime, because they swallowed the propaganda of so called journalists, who have an agenda to re-elect Obama, or they follow some hollywood airhead who they worship and mindlessly do what they are told. Suddenly that "landslide" doesn't seem so convincing afterall!

  • L White Springville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    The election is not over. Foolish people tell us that they elected Obama. They did no such thing. Obama WILL BE elected by electors, not by popular vote. About three hundred people will elect Obana, about one for every million citizens.

    Obama can never say that the people elected him, because that is a complete lie.

    The map that Mike Richards told us about tells the real story. This is truly a Republican nation. No matter which direction you travel, you will be in a Republican county except for some isolated Democrat strongholds.

    Maybe the Deseret News would be good enough to print that map. Maybe Obama would be wise enough to look at it.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    @mike richards
    so you think a county like toole utah with a population small enough to fit on one city block in NY should hold the same weight as my county that has over 8 million people (three times the entire state of utah) in it? republican counties may look impressive in terms of land mass but when you look at actual population not so much. I have to say this is your weakest argument yet.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Mike Richards:

    More people voted for Obama than for Romney. The Democrats gained seats in the Senate. The Republicans lost seats in the House. Spin all you like, but these are the facts, and looking at a map of counties is meaningless. Land doesn't vote, but people do, and those people gave Obama and the Democratic Party a clear victory.

    And compliments to Nate Sharp on this graceful letter. Hopefully some sense is starting to come to the Republican Party...

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 4:18 p.m.


    So now we're counting election results by counties? I don't think that's in the Constitution, is it? You'll spin it so that you'll always be in the majority, no matter how small your far-right group gets. This election was nothing if not a repudiation of the Tea Party.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    @ Midvaliean: There is a difference between a slow moving government and a government that gets nothing done. It is one thing to want a government that moves slow and thinks things through - it is another thing entirely to want a government that is unable to meet the needs of those it governs and protects.

    A government that gets nothing done fails its citizens and leads to hardship and disaster.

    Is this really what you and Mike want - the complete failure of America as we know it?

    @ Mike: Counties do not vote for President or members of Congress. The people who live in those counties do. And by sheer numbers, more Americans voted for Obama.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    As a libertarian, I can only hope nothing gets done in the next 4, no make it 12 years. Government standstill is what I hope for. A fast acting government is one I'm scared of.
    So for me, the answer is I hope you, Mike, and other conservatives stand your ground.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah

    Wasn't Obama's re-election the will of the people? Or are you talking about "real" people as in "real" Americans?

    Somehow, there is a disconnect here. It's as if we're hearing that the "will of the people" wasn't really expressed in the election. Were they hypnotized to vote against what they really believed? It takes chutzpuh to speak for "the real people" when one is only expressing one's singular opinion.

    Or are those people who didn't vote your way deluded and should never have been allowed to vote to begin with? Counties don't determined elections. People do. The shock of the election results will pass. The Republicans lost 3 seats in the House. Also, take note that Republicans returned to the House with only a 4% majority. This is not a resounding victory for the conservative cause.

    If congressional districts were drawn by a non-partisan committee based simply on population and not gerrymandered for political advantage, do you think that the Republicans would still be in the majority? It's obvious that "the people" are not "your people" and that's the difference!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Mike, surely you know that the only reason the House is still as Republican as it is was due to gerrymandering and nothing else.

    I guess we can keep hoping that someday, people like you will finally see the light and understand why you've been so wrong for so long.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Wanda, guess what. You wouldn't have gotten a sniff from Obama either.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    One Old Man,

    How do you propose that we get this nation to work? The same people with the same ideas are in office. The election changed nothing.

    Please don't suggest that the Republicans need to "compromise" until you've looked at a map of counties that voted Republican. It wasn't just a majority of counties that voted Republican, it was not just a super-majority of counties that voted Republican. This country has so few counties that voted Democrat that those Democrat counties are almost just a blip on the map.

    Implying that one man in the White House decides what Congress should do is anti-American. Implying that one Senator has the right to negate the vote of 435 House members is anti-American.

    The people chose a Republican majority to represent us in the House, where budget bills originate.

    If Obama and Reid get behind the will of the people, progress will be made.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    SO nice to see a graceful letter.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Thanks for a sensible letter.

    Now we ALL need to get to work and help mend this nation. It's going to require hard work, courage, and above all -- cooperation -- from all sides.

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Wish I could afford to be part of the "inner circle." I guess that's what GOP economics is all about. I just haven't figured out how to make it work for me.