Senators discuss comprehensive immigration changes

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    Nov. 14, 2012 3:03 a.m.

    Not true, back in the late 1800's a person had to apply in their homeland, and get permission to land documents from our government. Without them they could not board a boat.
    If we were an open country before 1940, why did Hoover and Roosevelt conduct the Mexican repatriation in the late 1920's to mid 1930's, deportation without trial? They knew the surplus labor was hurting the recovery from the great depression.

    Amnesty teaches the wrong lesson to people of the world. Allowing those here illegally to stay, either as guests or eventual citizens is wrong. They need to go back to apply for citizenship or work visas.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    The politicians have been getting it wrong since 1924.
    They are motivated by the wrong things.
    Surely, folks like Utah Compact, Catholic and Mormon leaders are sending the message, "Can't we all just get along." In other words, open borders. They don't realize it, but the pressures are huge from the third world and you can never really control immigration in our society.
    So, these reforms are governed by an imperious immediacy of interest (Robert Merton's concept) and laden with unintended consequences.
    No one in power wants to tell illegal aliens "No."
    The 9/11 Commission was the last group to defend the need for immigration controls.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:21 a.m.

    The real roadblock for illegal aliens is our Federal Labor laws the prevents business from hiring illegal aliens. By granting legal occupation status allows business to hire illegal aliens under the Federal Labor Act. This call for amnesty or similar laws is not about immigration, its about cheap labor to undermine the rights of americans incomes and wages.

    The open borders policy of today are methodology to force American into poverty and slavery by stripping us of our right to fair pay and fair wages. So far the last several attempts to give Mexicans amnesty failed because they did not want to register with our government and be held accountable. Then our congress did not have any enforcment rules for those foreign nationals who reject amnesty terms and conditions.

    Now they (congress, president, cheap labor advocates) want to try again with the same terms and conditions that the 2 previous amnesty programs tried to do. Without enforcment of amnesty or immigration laws we will be in a Mexican standoff for the next 2 thousand years. And America is demoted to the level of the continent of Africa with thousands of splinter governments fighting over territory and racial discrimination's.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    If we don't want illegals in the country, then penalize those who hire them. If there are no jobs they will stop coming, if they stop coming, problem solved. We are trying to solve the problem the wrong way. As long as employers can hire them with little or no risk, for a fraction of what it would cost to hire someone here illegally, then we will continue to have people here illegally. It would only take a significant fine to a couple of employees and the problem would be solved. Side benefit unemployment in America would go down.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    For the first 70 years of our nation, there was not such thing as an illegal alien. Just show up, stay 15 years, and your good to go. Then it became 5 years. Then people started having problems with Asians - and banned them from gaining citizenship. Then we banned Asians from being able to testify in court against while male whites... then we decided to strip any woman who married an asian of her citizenship. Quotas on all started to pop up... 3 percent, then 2, then all the way to .8 percent, with some loosing their citizenship.

    It wasn't until the late 40s that the tied began to turn around. We went from an open country where residency was ll that was needed and in PA where there was bilingual public instruction.... to having people loose their citizenship by virtue of who they married.

    Reagan tried to fix this. Then Bush II tried as well - but was rebuffed by his own party. Obama tried to give citizenship to those who would serve in our military, only again to be rebuffed. I seriously forces that sought to close this country will give up easily.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Not unlike slavery, the illegal alien crisis is OUR irrepressible conflict.
    It has many of the same elements; politics, labor, religion, business interests...and states' rights.
    I'm not suggesting that we're heading into a civil war again. No, this time it will be far more insidious and far more systemic.
    Prior to the 1986 amnesty program a report was issued to President Reagan warning the nation that:
    We recommend that deportation and removal of undocumented/illegal migrants should be effected to discourage early return. Adequate funds should be available to maintain high levels of alien apprehension, detention, and deportation throughout the year.
    They knew that the same old enforcement strategies would be necessary to prevent the next wave of illegal aliens once amnesty was granted.
    What they didn't know is that we don't have the political will to conduct raids and deport people. And that's why the 1986 amnesty didn't work.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    This is something these people should have done 10 years ago. Where are their heads? It has got to be in a hole because what they see is not what the citizens see. We should have voted every single one of them out of office and started new with 100% of the House and 1/3 of the Senate. If you keep on doing what you are doing, you will keep on getting what you are getting. We keep on voting in the same people over and over and then sit back and say, "Golly gee, how come we keep having the same problems." What we need is educated voters, not gut wrench voters.

    Those who sit on the sidelines and say their votes don't count are clueless. IF they all voted they could turn the tide of any election.

    I still say, we need an option on state and local ballots: None of the Above. Sadly it would cause chaos nationwide to have that option.