GOP in trouble as party of 'no'

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  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    TEA stands for


    That doesn't sound like an extreme terrorist position. In fact I think that the vast majority of Americans (and people world wide for that matter) think they pay enough in taxes. Many think that others aren't taxed enough and should pay more, but most believe they personally pay enough.

    Why all the fear and loathing?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    They need to have a tea party and throw out the "tea party" and other extremists.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal:

    How do you know what people do and don't pray for? Are you God? An incredibly presumptuous and blasphemous position.

    Or do you suppose that people refuse to pray for someone who was not "their guy" because that is what you would do? That would be hypocritical.

    I would suppose, based on my behavior (without being told to do so by my church leaders), that there are those who do pray often for this country's leaders, regardless of whether or not it is the one they voted for, and regardless of what religion they belong to. In many cases the prayers are even more fervent when the praying person thinks leaders positions are misguided.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    After the lesson in Priesthood meeting yesterday --

    I think I offer a pitcher of lemonade and the cool of my shade tree to those upset about the elections.

    It makes me sad to hear all the bad talking about this fine nation of ours.

    Sadder still, when members of the Lord's church are asked to pray for our leaders,
    and who defiently refuse to follow the living prophets and apostles.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    David King
    Layton, UT
    There are 96 Senators and over 350 House members who don't affiliate with the so-called Tea Party caucus.


    Utah accounts for 1 of those 4 Senators and 2 of thise House members.
    Utah has the highest disproportional membership in that so-called Tea Party movement than any other state in the Union!


    •Rob Bishop, Republican U.S. Representative from Utah's 1st congressional district (2003–present) and a member of the Tea Party Caucus. Bishop has appeared at Tea Party rallies in Utah.[114]

    •Jason Chaffetz, Republican U.S. Representative from Utah's 3rd congressional district (2009–present). In August 2011, Amy Walter of ABC News described Chaffetz as "a rising star in the Tea Party movement".

    •Mike Lee, Republican U.S. Senator (2011–present) and a member of the Tea Party Caucus.

    BTW - Only Orrin Hatch (who the Tea-Party hoped to gun down with Dan Liljenquist,) and Jim Matheson (our only Democrat, who also just beat Tea Party darling Mia Love after Republican gerrymandering of epic proportions) that are not.

    So –
    Utah DOES affiliate with that ridiculous so-called Tea Party caucus, more so than any other.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    Why are the winning liberals bothering to tell Republicans how to win? Aren't they happy being in charge?

    Their suggestion: "Be more like us."

    Brilliant. No choice on issues; we all have to believe the same. I thought they were pro-choice.

    I am pro-choice.

    I choose to shun pre-birth baby murder.
    I choose to use mercury free incandescent light bulbs.
    I choose to promote a working America, not a gimme America.
    I choose to try to lift others up, especially those at the bottom, and not to tear those at the top down.
    I choose to value families.
    I choose to support legal immigration and thwart illegal immigration.
    I choose to treat people as equal, making no special classifications for any groups of people.
    I choose to worship my God as I see appropriate, and allow others to do the same.

    I choose to be a conservative. Liberalism is inconsistent with my other beliefs.

    As far as party, I would choose another party if the Republicans go too far left for my beliefs. I am not too worried about that happening though. Political swings are cyclic.

    We conservatives won't disband on the advice of liberals.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    And when I say Romney made no friends in Europe and Israel....obviously they don't vote here.
    But a few minutes around Mitt, and their views were clearly obvious. They saw no statesman there. They saw a salesman.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Romney might well have won....if he didn't tick off women, students, immigrants, the elderly, most of Europe, his home state, his other home state, his Veep's home state, a bunch of other states, auto workers, the struggling lower class, the struggling middle class, Israel, single parents, gays, straights, small business owners, medium-sized business owners, the businesses he crumbled, unions, families, retirees, veterans...did I leave anyone out?????

    The GOP is in deep trouble if all they can offer up are the likes of McCain, Palin and Romney.

    And.....The Democratic train will keep on rollin' with Julian Castro on deck to beat back whomever the GOP throws out there.

    This is not my Grandfather's GOP. This is a disaster.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:44 a.m.


    what a sad world you have created for yourself f this is how you really view it.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    You will listen to the rhetoric we tell you to listen to, our propaganda, so says the liberal. There is no such thing as opposing thoughts or ideas. We are educated elites, you must do as we say.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    @mike richards

    the democrats also won the presidential race and picked up seats in both houses again this election. So much for the drift right. Credibility is lost when one tries to offer only selected information to try to prove a point that does not exists.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    When I read articles like this, where liberals are telling conservatives how to act, it reminds me of the following scripture in 3 Nephi 3:5-8 "5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

    6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

    7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our secret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance."

    We have the conservatives wanting to promote traditional Christian values, and the liberals telling us to put aside those values and join them. Lets remember what happened to those cities that put aside their traditional Christian values.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2012 7:16 p.m.


    I meant to type 2012. figured it didn't need correction. My mistake.

    "May he be wise enough to stop believing his own rhetoric and may we be even wiser than he is by not believing his rhetoric."

    May you all be smart enough to stop listening to Fox's Rhetoric

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    Blaming the tea party is fallacious and nonsensical argument.

    The tea party has nothing to do with what happened.

    The problem is the republican party had no identity.

    There was no great ideological distinction.

    the typically uninformed voter had no idea what republicans stood for, from the debates one hard tell the the difference.

    the republican let the democrats and far left define the republicans,

    So these weak-minded voters probably bought the leftest lies and rhetoric the dirty democrats told,

    also Romney and the republicans just did not fight very hard, they did not fight like they wanted it, unfortunately nice guys do finish last.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 11, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    Conservatives are forced to play the role of the Adult in a Congress full of reckless teenagers. Someone has to say "no."

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    if a liberal says its true it must be. So believes the left sided republicans. The tea party influance got the house in 2010. if you change the party to liberal policies do you really think the liberals that tell us to change will join us? Get some backbone republicans. Popular vote was only a couple of million. the electorial college was as close as 330,000 votes.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2012 4:27 p.m.


    I did not forget 2010. That was an off-year election. Obama's "charm" and "rock-star" personality was not part of 2010. Citing 2010 would have little to do with the Presidential elections of 2008 and 2010.

    In 2008, Obama offered change. America was interested. As his plan for change unfolded, America turned away from Obama - in droves. Governorships have gone to Republicans. The House was gone to Republicans. Even the Senate has lost membership to Republicans. Americans may not have wanted Romney, but 9,000,000 fewer of them voted for Obama.

    He lost all credibility with the Senate when not one Senator voted for his budget, yet he had the gall to blame Republicans for budgetary failures.

    Someone needs to get him a mirror. His habit of blaming everyone else and everything else is not going to work this term. He told us that he has a plan. Surely, he's not going to use his failed plans again. He's already proven that those plans will not work.

    May he be wise enough to stop believing his own rhetoric and may we be even wiser than he is by not believing his rhetoric.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    Old Man,

    I too could have voted Romney if he would have been allowed to govern as a businessman.

    Instead, he would have been forced to toe the party line rather than go where the data and his experience took him.

    Second point.

    We have heard repeatedly about Ronald Reagan, how many jobs he created and his tax policies.

    Would anyone on the right be willing to accept the lowest tax rates and brackets that were in effect in any of Reagan's years?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Mr Richards,

    I notice that you focused you attention on 2008. And yet, the GOP did quite well.

    However, their momentum did not carry into 2010, where dems kept the presidency, and picked up seats in both the house and the senate.

    Did you forget that?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    When you tell reliable Republican voters and elected officials "we don't want your kind around here" you are building a very small tent for your party. Reagan built a big tent. That is what gave him his victories. Math.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    Re: Mike Richards
    My Grandfather used to tell me "There is no such thing as a moral victory, it what the scoreboard says as you walk off the field that counts". Scoreboard, Romney 0 Obama 8.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    To Mr Richards, your generous spin to the right really has no basis. Democrats have received over a million more votes than Republicans nationwide and if not for gerrymandering we would have a triple majority in Washington. The reason for that is the Repubs have no policies that the electorate can accept. I for one am happy that moderation is the clear victor in 2012.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Oh, and that same Republican -- whose name I don't recall right now -- also blasted what he called the "Conservative entertainment" pundits like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and others for their role in defeating Romney.

    Is it too soon to hope that these clowns will disappear now?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Meet The Press this morning was especially enlightening. One of the panelists was a Republican advisor (to both GWB and Romney) who clearly acknowledged that the party has moved so far to the right that it is losing all credibility.

    I could have voted for Romney if Romney had been Romney and had not tried to become a drone for the Tea Party.

    Maybe there is some hope out there.

    It remains to be seen.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Conservative David Frum is spot on when he says "The Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex."

    The conservative message is hopelessly lost when the mouthpieces of the movement frame the election around a birth certificate, college transcripts, and "is he a Muslim". Romney wisely kept trying to bring the election back to the economy and jobs, but his "supporters" kept dragging the conversation back into the muck. I don't recall Mr Romney ever jumping on the Benghazi bandwagon, because he knew there wasn't a real story there. He knew his answer was economy and jobs.

    If conservatives want to win over the middle, they need to change the voices. Beware the TV commentator promoting "a new book on conservatism!" They are taking your dollars and costing you an election.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Instead of following Obama''s example of blaming someone else, why not look at what really happened.

    In 2008, the previous presidential election, 29 Democrat governors held office and 21 Republican governors held office. In 2012, 19 Democrats and 30 Republicans are governors. Democrats lost 44% of their governorships.

    In 2008, 257 members of the House were Democrats and 173 were Republicans. In 2012, 194 are Democrats and 233 are Republicans. Democrats lost 24.5% of the House seats.

    In 2008, 57 members of the Senate were Democrats and 41 members were Republicans. In 2012, 53 are Democrats and 45 are Republicans. Democrats lost 7% of the Senate seats.

    In 2008, 365 electors voted Democrat and 173 voted Republican. 69 million people voted for the Democrat running for president and 60 million voted for the Republican. In 2012, 332 electors will vote Democrat and 206 will vote Republican. Democrats will loose 9% of their electors. Democrats lost 11% of their popular vote and Republicans lost 3% of their popular vote.

    The nation had a major shift to the right since 2008. Democrats have no "mandate". The tea party is not the issue, Democrat policies are.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    My favorite post-election news is that Herman Cain and Rush Limbaugh would like to start a third party, a genuine Tea Party, that could provide a home for folks who think the Republican party is too moderate. I, for one, think this would be a splendid idea.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    Until the republican party, with or without the tea portion, realigns itself to become more relevant to the nation, it will continue to become less so.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Dick Lugar would have coasted to reelection, but lost his primary to a tea party candidate. Thanks to that Indiana, a state almost as Republican as Utah, will have a Democratic senator. Claire McCaskill of Missouri was considered the most vulnerable senator this cycle and would have almost certainly lost had Republicans nominated a decent candidate. But they nominated a tea party candidate instead.

    In the last cycle Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, and Tim Buck cost the Republicans 3 easily winnable seats. So instead of the senate being 55-45 Democrat, it would have been 50-50 had Republicans not drank the tea.

    As a Democrat. all I can say is thanks tea party, keep up the good work.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    Well said, Mr. Cunningham, and exactly right.

  • David King Layton, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:53 a.m.

    Many who comment here love to take any opportunity to blame the Tea Party for every ill in America, from Romney's loss to the state of the economy. I have never considered myself a member but perhaps a small reality check would be helpful for us non-Tea party types as well. There are 96 Senators and over 350 House members who don't affiliate with the so-called Tea Party caucus. If this group wishes to accomplish something without any help from the Tea Party, they have more than the requisite votes for a super majority. If a four-year old robs a bank with a water gun, do you scold the four year old, or those who gave in so easily? Mitt Romney has no one but himself and his campaign staff to blame for his loss. As the Senate continues without a budget, does it make more sense to blame the four percent of them that identify with the Tea Party, or the ninety-six percent who want us believe any one but them is responsible?

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:13 a.m.

    Recent comments coming out of the Tea Party groups is that Romney wasn't conservative enough and they need to further exorcise the Republican Party of moderate influences. This is truly the wacky and crazy fringe. They want to remove the Republican leadership including Mitch McConnell and John Boehner for failing them at this time. As for Mitt Romney, they want him to just disappear.

    Unfortunately, demographics is not on the side of the Tea Party. They see no reason to re-calibrate and adjust to the changes in the modern world. They believe that if they just fight harder, put up candidates who fully-embrace movement conservative princibles, and double-down on their appeal to angry, old, white men, they will get back their country. It doesn't matter that "their country" never existed, ever.

    Now, the reactionary Tea Party elements want to exclude 30% of the electorate because it constitutes that part of America that they fear most. Rather than try to be inclusive which would destroy the very foundation of their being, they pull back into their cave and yell "Keep Out!"

    Ideological purity is their mantra. Let it remain the path to their extinction.