Wrong of Obama and Romney to dismiss climate change?

Not talking global climate change was political recklessness

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  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    Re: "Climate science indicates that we need a radical decrease in greenhouse gas . . . around 90 percent . . . to maintain a semblance of ecological stability."

    After 11,000 years of more-or-less steady global warming, it would the height of climate-"science" chutzpah to suggest climate "scientists" have now divined some optimal level at which we must artificially "maintain a semblance of ecological stability" -- even if it were possible to do so.

    Which no climate "science" has ever shown is humanly possible -- regardless of ANY number of $Trillions we foolishly flush down that socialist rat hole.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    "English scientists are reporting evidence of globaql warming ended 16 years ago."

    That's incorrect. After all, 14 of the 14 warmest years in the modern record were the most recent 14 years.

    "The antictica icesheet is growing."

    As expected. First I'll note you leave out the Arctic which blasted through the record low extent and volume records this year. Now why is Antarctica growing? The thing is Antarctica is much cooler than the Arctic since there's a landmass there rather than it being an ocean. It's so cold that the south pole has never been even within 20 degrees of 32F while the north pole almost lost it's ice. The Antarctic is warming though, so why the icesheet increase? Because warmer temperatures lead to more moisture evaporation, and that leads to more rain or in this case frozen precipitation over Antarctica. It was actually expected that the Antarctic ice sheet would grow under global warming.

    "Why is it one single event does not reach the level of evidence for gw advocates but one event like a single hurricane makes all the proof they need for global warming. "

    I agree on that though, one event does not prove global warming.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    I deny global warming for one reason -- there hasn't been any in 14 years!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    Re one old man

    I believe geothermal could be put in yellow stone in a way that is minimally disruptive.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    There is absolutely proof that changing the atmosphere with fossil CO² emissions affects the weather. But denial is a strong emotion and people will cling to it (and their guns).

    Obama hasn't dismissed climate change, he's DOING what he can rather than just talking about it. Obama focuses on what he can get something done on.

    The reason wind and solar are suffering right now is because of record low prices in the natural gas prices due to fracking. T-bone Pickens will tell you all about it and how much money he lost because of it. Fracking is slowing us down and ruing water supplies.

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    Nov. 11, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    Amy Ridenour lets look into the Little Ice Age. it was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period. While it was not a true ice age, it has been conventionally defined as a period from about 1350 to about 1850, though climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally-synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.

    Amy please stop mudding the water with half truths. It is time to stop putting our heads in the sand hopping climate change will go away. We got ourselves into this mess and together we can get out of it again.

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    Nov. 11, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    I love cherry pickers like Amy Ridenour who are selective with the data to prove their point. The following is the report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report Sept 2012.

    The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September 2012 tied with 2005 as the warmest September on record, at 0.67°C above the 20th century average of 15.0°C Records began in 1880.

    The globally-averaged land surface temperature for September 2012 was the third warmest September on record, at 1.02°C above average. The globally-averaged ocean surface temperature tied with 1997 as the second warmest September on record, at 0.54°C above average.

    The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January–September 2012 was the eighth warmest such period on record, at 0.57°C above the 20th century average.

    We have not had a below average World wide temperature month for 360 months in a row, which is statistically impossible if there has been no temperature increase since 1997.

    Please stop listening to Fox and research the facts from a wide range of sources.

  • Sensible Scientist Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 11, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    The events listed have nothing to do with climate change.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    1938 a major hurricane struck the east coast, how do you account for that. English scientists are reporting evidence of globaql warming ended 16 years ago. The antictica icesheet is growing. The hurricane season has been no worse than the average season. Why is it one single event does not reach the level of evidence for gw advocates but one event like a single hurricane makes all the proof they need for global warming. Do you see the fear mongering among the gws. Did global warming caise the droughts in the thirties? Religion founded on bad science just is bad all around. Social engineering based on bad science is just morally evil.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    So, cjb, you would be willing to sacrifice the first national park in the world and one of the world's most fantastic wonders in the name of cheap energy?

    Perhaps that is one more symptom of the kind of thinking that cost Republicans this election.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Given the extreme denial amongst a large segment of the American populace, mostly Republicans in my opinion, President Obama had to secure the election first!

    Obama knows the reality, Romney could only make snide remarks about the impending crisis. At least the right side won.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Nov. 11, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Mars had global warming who is to blame for it happening there? We had those types of things droughts, hurricanes, floods without electricity and fuel. Are energy we use feeds the world. Wh bite the hand that feeds you. Like the zero population growh people a way to control lives and limit prosperity.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    I noticed that the Antarctic ice pack is growing. Also that it was 45F on Mars recently and not a Republican there. Sandy is not completely unusual for the East Coast. It has happened before and will happen again. It is a stretch to say global warming caused it. Nonetheless I am strongly in favor of research and methods to give us pollution free energy. It will take a while. In the meantime I see no reason to impoverish us until we get it. Up to now wind and photovoltaic is not commercially viable, but it is improving. Conversion of organic matter such as giant miscanthus grass into gasoline and algae to make diesel oil are seemingly enroute to being commercially viable. It is true oyster seed have a tough time growing as the ocean has a slightly lower pH from increased CO2 in the atmosphere. It is better to use alternatives, but not yet.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 5:51 a.m.

    Why not make use of Yellow Stone geothermal to replace coal and oil production of electricity?