President Barack Obama wins Florida topping Mitt Romney in final tally

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  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    Without calling out names: The comment about "top ten" states and "bottom ten" was completely false. We call that another word in my begins with an 'L'.

    Here is the truth: The top three Welfare States of 50 (53 according to Obama) had the highest vote percentage for Obama. California (there is no close 2nd) led the pack. That means those people who receive the highest government dole (not the most educated per capita) voted more government dole by a 67 to 32% margin. California will now pay an undocumented resident (not citizen) the equivalent of $42,300 per year when housing allowances, food stamps, welfare payments, health care, utility subsidies and free counseling are totaled in. The truth is, why would a resident of California ever elect someone calling on personal responsibility? The obvious answer is they never will.

    Here is the truth: The state with the Highest educated population per capita, voted OVER 70% for Romney.

    Wow. To think folks actually go on line and try to duplicate Obama's dishonesty is frightening.

    (Understandable, however, since Obama has got away with it so well for so long.)

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    For the poor, misinformed folks in Park City and a few other locations....we really want you to understand the reality that the Obama political machine doesn't want you to consider, think about or, again, understand.

    First. Obama will be considered the worst President the Nation had in over 200 years. Why? Because he had the least experience. The least moral fortitude. The most dishonest (can you say Benghazi without cringing??) The biggest fiasco ever sold by big Government, Obama Care. The highest deficit. The highest unemployment. The worst record of reaching 'across the aisle' of any modern era President. etc.

    Second. The election was a sham. Philadelphia ran republican poll watchers out of the polling sites with impunity and only allowed them back in after a Federal Judge ordered them in. Two and a half hours later. After all the republican votes in one precinct were destroyed and after ballot boxes were stuffed. (Can you say, Cook County, Ill. 1960??) Votes in Florida, Ohio, PA and VA are still uncounted.

    Third. For the 4th consecutive election, the news media was allowed to run amuck without any accountability for honesty or fairness in doing their job.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 14, 2012 9:14 a.m.


    You're so easily amazed.

    A strong military keeps us safe, and free. Read some world history.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:31 a.m.

    Worf, you never cease to amaze me with your constant stream of statements that are demonstrably untrue.

    1) the reality is that the states that take in more money from Washington than they send in taxes are invariably "red" states - Utah included.

    2) why, in your opinion, is a military job "good" but a job with the Forest Service, USGS, NASA, FAA, FDA, Parks Service, etc., not equally valuable to our condo my?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 11, 2012 11:06 p.m.


    The military provides jobs. Better then just giving it away for nothing.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 11, 2012 7:57 p.m.


    Of course people want free hand outs. It's the areas with the most handouts, that voted Obama. Duh!

    You've to quit with MSNBC, CNN, CBS, and ABC.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    Until the republicans figure out that they cannot garner enough votes to win a presidential election bowing down to Grover Nordquist and the Koch Brothers, expect more of the same in 2016. You can expect an occasional midterm success story for the republicans, but that is about it.

    Republicans are now blaming everyone but themselves which again will lead to continued failures. Republicans look inward for the solution. The tea party today holds power in a few congressional districts, but in only a few cases will the tea party deliver a senate seat, and the will never deliver the presidency.

    Republicans distance yourself from the tea party, move to the middle right where most of the country is and you will win. Continue the arrogance blaming the voters for being to dumb and lazy and expect to keep on losing.

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Nov. 11, 2012 2:28 p.m.


    Farmington, UT


    West Valley City, Utah

    You and a few others speak of a mandate, the mandate is in Obama 332 elctoral votes to Romney's 206 electoral vote. That is where the office of the Presidency is decided and that is where the mandate comes from.

    Enough of the sour grapes, lets get on with life. Your next chance is in 4 years but if our beloved Republican Party doesn't clean up it's act and become more inclusive it will just be another Democrat mandate.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 11, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    Just because one is better educated doesn't mean they are more wise. Wisdom is in the proper application of knowledge obtained. Here is a question America. What is going to happen when the nursing purse of Washington runs dry? What then? Fake money going to be made? Clearly 61,000,000 naive monsters failed to think of what potential and realistic downfall will come with an over stressed nanny state. We warned you and you didn't listen. So, keep your whining to yourself when this country turns worse than the great depression and we will fight the urge to utter the very true words of WE TOLD YOU SO!

  • Twigie Tooele, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Yes, forward with golfing!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    @West Granger -

    According to the latest figures, Obama is now ahead in the popular vote by over 3 million with 99% in. It is a 51 - 48% advantage for Obama based on the total number of votes. Add to that the electoral count of 332 - 206, and it seems to be a pretty convincing win by Obama.

    And you can bet that if Romney had won by these same margins, it would have clearly been defined by Republicans as a "mandate".

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 11, 2012 12:05 a.m.

    'topping Mitt Romney in final tally' needs to be removed from the headline. I've never heard of a 'winner' having less votes than the 'loser'. Yet, thanks for pointing out the obvious.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:56 p.m.

    We're spending a TRILLION dollars on defense. I should say we spent 800 billion on offense and 200 billion on defense,

    There's the deficit problem, we spend as if we're at war with the entire world all the time. That's jut not sustainable.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    The top 10 best educated states all voted for Obama. 9 of the top 10 worst educated states voted for Romney. Draw your own conclusions.

    Also, how many Republican pundits were anticipating a "Romney landslide" of 320 electoral votes or better? By their own definition, Obama won in a landslide.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    Civil war is coming.
    Get prepared

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:58 p.m. is what it is! The only thing left to do is hold on to what you to have and hope you make it to 2016. Enough talk! We need action!

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    @Utes Fan -- Well, if you want to talk anecdotal evidence, I have to say that many of the people I know who voted for Romney have taken lots of government aid over the years, from Medicaid, to SS Disability, to VA loans, to food stamps, to payment for leaving part of their farms fallow, etc., etc. On the other hand, I can definitely say that everyone I know who voted for Obama has never been on any kind of welfare AT ALL. They are all highly educated and have always had great jobs. Guess it's all who you know.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:14 p.m.


    I haven't watched Fox or listened to Hannity, or Rush, etc. I can't stand them.

    However, being an Independent who is quickly turning conservative more and more every day, my own personal analysis agrees with "Why would I?". His/her post is right on target. Accept the truth. Obama/liberals are winning because of this. EVERY person I have talked to, including close members of my family who voted for Obama did so because they want the govt. to do something for them or take care of them. Whether it is Social Security, Medicare, universal health coverage, etc. - people generally vote Democrat because they want government programs to benefit them. Too bad these people don't realize that with a social program, somebody gains while somebody else pays for it - and eventually we ALL will pay for it.

    Now, if Republicans would just temper a bit the "Hawkish" attitude towards the Middle East - I might sign up with them.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    America grew up a lot on Tuesday. Normal has changed, and we're leaving a lot behind in the wake of it. We're finally beginning to understand the Presidents' motto. Forward. At last, we get to deny the stupid. America is a nation worthy of claiming again. It's still not going to be easy. But we've defined who we don't want to be. Let's embrace reality. And, through it all, move forward.

  • Twigie Tooele, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    Obama went golfing today...I guess it's back to work like normal.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    "We rejected a better qualified candidate in favor of a mediocre one."

    That's an opinion shared by you and a minority of voters.

    The majority think otherwise.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:07 p.m.

    A mandate doesn't matter. This is a new style of politics. Obama will get his way because the Republicans will wilt under intense pressure. I didn't think the American people would do this, but they have chosen their path. No doubt some of these same supporters will be bitter complainers in two years time. It boggles the mind. We rejected a better qualified candidate in favor of a mediocre one. That kind of decision won't go without consequences. We are already beginning to see things that were hidden before the election emerge.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 6:39 p.m.


    Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but lost in the electoral college only after a 5-4 Supreme Court decision, and yet Bush spoke frequently of his "mandate."

    Moreover, the size of Obama's margin of victory Tuesday exceeds Bush's re-election in 2004, and Bush was even more adamant about his "mandate."

    I guarantee that if Romney had won by the same margin that Obama won last Tuesday, you guys would have seen all kinds of "mandates" in the election.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Nov. 10, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    Republicans - all I hear you guys talking about is how America must want free stuff w/o working, free cell phones and other ridiculous stuff like that. So my 1st bit of advice is the quite watching Fox News and turn off the radio blowhards/blogs for a while. Listen, most people don't want free stuff, most people are in fact hard working individuals who take pride in making an honest living. I'm not going to give you a lecture about what your party should do, I think if you look at it objectively, you will come to a sensible conclusion. Blaming the (L)MSM is a joke, maybe you should start paying attention to what others are saying and quite getting your information from biased sources. That would be a good start. Good luck!

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    This was an extremely close election. Obama barely won 50-49 in the key swing states. A mere 2 million votes was the difference in the popular vote. That does not indicate any sort of a mandate. What it indicates is a divided nation. It will get more intense if we do not genuinely reach out to each other. Americans have grown tired of empty political rhetoric devoid of action.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 10, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Wow! The people of Florida are very wise.

    Now, I know that four years from now, we'll have a robust economy, and unemployment will be below five percent. Deficit will decrease.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 10, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Maybe it works in Farmington, but I can't think of any other place in which wagging a finger at others and trying to shame them into changing their minds actually succeeds. Anyway, it doesn't work with me.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Even though the Deseret News with his huge personnel cutbacks and its dwindling news coverage, the editors apparently allowed this longer version of the AP to be offered on the Deseret News website. I appreciate the more extended version rather than the shorter, cut-up versions available on other national media sites.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 10, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    toosmartforyou- it isn't that Obama won it so much is as it is the those managing the Romney campaign believed bad data coming from both their own polling as well as Rasmussen. While other polls had Obama up by 2% nationally, conservative polls had Romney winning Florida by 1 to 2 percent. They underestimated the election on many of levels thinking the mid-year election signified more than they did..

    Thats not to say the Obama campaign didn't have their miscues as well. They absolutely did. I so many conservative friends scratching their heads trying to figure out who to blame.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Let's see...74,000 vote difference in several million ballots counted is a huge victory and mandate from the people? 50 - 49.1 percent is a "mandate?" Wow. Some spin.

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    I guess the Republicans need to promise universal health care, no immigration reform, tax the wealthy and give it to the poor who pay little to no taxes themselves, and just attack their opponents and call it a platform. That's what the Demo's did and apparently did very well.

    Why would I want this country to return to personal responsibility for one's situation when those in Washington DC can just guarantee me a cushy life from the cradle to the grave just like they've done for themselves as members of Congress? (Using our monery, too, not their own.)

    Why would the Little Red Hen suddenly not want to bake any more bread?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 10, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    This will kill Karl Rove. He is still trying to figure out how he got it wrong in Ohio. Rove thought spending 126 million on over 82,000 TV spots would allow him to buy this election. Lets hope this experience kills the whole SuperPAC thing, as it seems to have been money wasted. It didn't get Mia Love a win, and it didn't help Romney win a state that the polls said was his to win.

    Yes Rove, Obama won both Ohio and Florida.

    It is time for better leadership in the Republican party. Time to get back to what you were all about... big tent politics of the Reagan era - not the exclusive club of Rove and the Koch brothers.