Room for Latinos in GOP

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  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    wrz claimed, "Latinos have infiltrated this country to the extent that they now can control who gets elected...."

    No. Only citizens vote.

    wrz also claimed, "If we had no immigration restrictions we would have about half the world's population (mostly poor) on our doorsteps...."

    No. During the recession beginning in 2008 there was a net negative migration rate from Mexico to the U.S. Migration flow is regulated more effectively by economic conditions than by artificial barriers.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Just more hand outs to specific groups using my hard earned money. Not more people getting off of their fannys and working. Until the southern border is closed and access is restricted, the immigration situation will never be settled. We need to start there.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    By the way, why is what tax rate someone pays a moral issue that can't be compromised? If paying a top rate of above the current top rate of 35% is so horribly immoral now, why wasn't it immoral when the top rates were higher than that under the hero Reagan? You people have lost all sense of proportion.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    Ahhhh...I wondered where that Santa Claus quote started. I keep seeing it repeated over and over and over and over. I knew one of the tea party gods must have said it on AM radio or Fox. Sure enough, I learn from Cherilyn E. that it was Rush. Of course! Now all the dittoheads are parroting him. Have an original thought some time guys. This one is getting old fast.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    This notion that only republicans have values is offensive. I think if you really took the time to investigate the reasons women, blacks and latinos vote against the republicans is that the white male thinks they need to control them. To some degree, the election was about handouts. It was about handouts of opportunity and that's all the ethnic and gender portion of our nation is asking for. It's time you stop putting everyone else in a box and telling them that the only way to do it is the way you do it.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    I think many of the posters from the (far) "right" side of the political spectrum have provided more than enough answers to the question about why Latinos vote Democrat by more than a 70% margin.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    Why should any political party compromise its principles to appeal to anyone?

    Everyone who believes in self-responsibility is welcome in the Republican Party.

    Everyone who believes that hands were made for working and not to receive handouts, s welcome in the Republican Party.

    Everyone who believes that we have a sacred duty to protect the unborn are welcome in the Republican Party.

    Skin color doesn't matter. Country of origin doesn't matter. We chose Mia Love as our candidate.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    @Shaun.. you're right. Republicans want handouts too. Orin Hatch basically campaigned on being able to preserve Hill AFB. Even if the Air Force doesn't need it- Senator Hatch won't let it go by the wayside. Iowa corn farmers want a handout in the form of ethanol subsidies even though environmentalists know it's wrong and thoughtful economists know it's wrong as it takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than that gallon of ethanol generates. And it's harmful to engines. It makes no sense but they want their subsidies to enrich themselves.
    What drives me crazy is the antiquated idea of the Republican Party as the party of the rich. I'm not rich. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are rich and I'm sure they didn't vote for any Republicans. The Republican party today is the party of those who want to become rich and the Democrat party is the party of those who are already rich and don't want anyone else to get rich. That's a better message.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    Latinos have infiltrated this country to the extent that they now can control who gets elected. What this means in the future is that our border controls will eventually disappear and the influx of Hispanics from our south will be unprecedented.

    Obama made a brilliant campaign move when he gave a two-year amnesty to a certain class of illegal immigrants six months before the election. Oh, and he also made another brilliant campaign move when he announced he was now in favor of gay marriage.

    @John Huntinghouse:

    "There is obvious data showing that Latinos have supported GOP presidents..."

    But they support Democrats in larger numbers. Why? Because Democrats are more inclined to support immigration and amnesty. This is OK except it means unemployed American will have a more difficulty finding jobs.

    "Individual ought to have the freedom to move from one country to another without the enormous barrier of entry that our government has provided."

    If we had no immigration restrictions we would have about half the world's population (mostly poor) on our doorsteps. You'd likely lose your lively hood and property to them. A country with no border control is no country.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Why do people assume if you vote democrat that you are looking for a handout. This is why the republicans are losing. Calling people socialist and welfare bums doesn't help win votes.

  • John Huntinghouse West Valley City, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    There is obvious data showing that Latinos have supported GOP presidents (Bush had 44%, McCain had 31% and now Romney with 27%). I don't believe in group rights. I believe in Constitutional rights. Individual ought to have the freedom to move from one country to another without the enormous barrier of entry that our government has provided.

    Our nation's immigration policies are another perfect example of government trying to find a solution to a problem it itself created in the first place. All human beings have identical rights. These rights are all ultimately included in the right to do whatever
    they want with what is theirs. What is theirs is defined as all that they possess that they haven’t stolen from anybody. These universal rights, obviously, change neither by crossing an arbitrary line called a border, nor by getting a piece of paper called a passport. This means that A has the right to trade with B, get married with B, sign contracts with B, send gifts to B, invite B, hire B, etc., since none of these actions imply an aggression against C. The respective “citizenships” of A, B, and C therefore shouldn't matter.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    This writer is wrong. Voter stats show that the majority of Latinos have never supported the GOP - even when the nation was more in line with moral principles. Too many have come here for another American Dream - the dream of a free lunch, free education, free housing, and now free health care.

    Rush Limbaugh nailed it: "It's tough to run against Santa Claus."

    The Republican Party has always been the party of principle. When society moves away from enduring principles, it pays the consequences. Those who want the GOP to compromise its principles can align with the Democratic Party - the party that panders to the takers of society.

    This is not about immigration. It’s about our unprincipled, entitlement-laden, welfare state that is attracting so many. Why not open our doors to the billions that would love that new American Dream?

    Unless we decide to follow the conservative principle of working for what you get, we will continue on the road to Greece.

    Republicans have always welcomed immigrants who come here to support the conservative principles of self-reliance that made this nation the freest nation in the world. Sadly, that's not what we've been getting.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Kent- you might want to go read a post on National Review by Heather MacDonald about a 2011 poll in California of Hispanic voters by Moore Information. You may change your thoughts about Hipanics and illegal immigration. It turned out that Hispanics like other Democrats were primarily interested in handouts that needless to say someone else would foot the bill for.
    I am a registered Republican and I happen to be in favor of more immigration- much more- but you can't have unrestricted immigration into a welfare state- at some point it collapses. And if someone can make the argument to me that it benefits this Nation to allow millions of impoverished people with no marketable job skills into America then I'm all ears. It worked in the early 1900's because you had to get a job to survive but now you don't - you can jump right on the dole. You don't even have to actually come here- they are advertising for "snap card" benefits in Mexico.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Maverick, in your post at 9:21, you left out another very important group -- White, Anglo-Saxons who are disgusted by extremism.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Why would the GOP want to compromise? They want this country to go down the tubes so they can win the election in 2016.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Until the GOP purges itself of the nutcakes who currently control the party and its' propaganda (Rush, Sean, Glen) the GOP will continue to lose the Latino and African American vote.


  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Do you think there will ever be room in the GOP again for moderates who don't embrace nut-wing ideologies?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:07 a.m.


  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    Although the GOP could use the Latino vote, they are going to need more than that! The conservative movement has moved so far to the right that they are out of step with the majority of the American public. The conservatives failed to make a dent in the Senate, and presidency, despite running against one of the weakest economies in years.

    People want health care, fair taxation, clean air, equal pay, access to reproductive care, Social Security, Medicare , etc., and all of these seem threatened by the extreme hard right candidates that the Republicans are fielding.

    When the GOP runs a slate of moderate candidates like Jon Huntsman, Democrats, "Look out!" Until then, no luck for conservatives.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:28 a.m.

    "Why do latinos generally avoid the GOP????" That was a rhetorical question right? I'd try to explain it to you, but Deseret News would surely censor my comments about the "accepting nature" of Republicans.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:35 a.m.

    Yes, the Republican only has to make room for Hispanic-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans and anyone else attracted to a philosophy that is both inclusive and addresses issues relevant to them.

    Compaining about America becoming less white and therefore movement conservatives losing authority does not make for a welcome into the Republican sphere. As evident in the 2012 presidential election, exclusion of a significant part of the population and appealing only to the more crass elements of the extremist wing of the Party will see its influence continue to decline.