Hope vs. reality a stark contrast in politics

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  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    @Ultra Bob:

    "While there are many things we could ask of President Obama, the most important might be to improve and correct the problems of voting."

    Don't worry, he and his Democrat friends have that all figured out and well in hand. He'll work toward no ID requirement to vote so all the Hispanics who come here illegally can have a say. It's only fair. He'll also push the voting methodology of, 'vote even if you don't have an ID.'

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    I don't know what the extreme right wants. I thought it was a prosperous America. I don't see that happening under Obama and if it doesn't it will be the REpublican party's fault according to the Dems. Will they take the responsibility if our economy continues to sink? Obama's policies go against the principles that are required for a successful economy. Look up the Index of Economic Freedom. It is what good economies do.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    The new hope for many Americans is that President Obama will shake off the ropes and chains that bind him to the business crowd and that he may yet move America back toward the will of the people. This elections may be the spark that will rekindle the flame of liberty and justice for all.

    The job that we set for President Obama has many hurdles among which is his race and the persistent habit of humans to place team loyalty above more humane goals. Another problem is that although he has control of the presidency, republicans control business and can and do use the economy as a weapon. And people must place survival over freedom, liberty and justice for all. Liberty or death sound great, but it doesn’t really happen.

    While there are many things we could ask of President Obama, the most important might be to improve and correct the problems of voting. Unless the people as people are able to gain control over our government through the vote, we stand no chance at all of retaining the freedoms that we have and might have in the future.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Wonder, you must admit that there is an element of Americans that work the system. What I mean by this is that they remain unemployed in order to get benefits. I hear of stories along this line often.

    Obviously people like this are only a small minority. The vast majority of Americans take pride in their work, and we work hard.

    Romney mischaracterized the 47% and paid heavily for his comment. Republicans are learning a lesson by this election. Are Democrats learning anything other than class warfare works for them at the polls?

    Pushing grandma over the cliff works in election? Despicable campaigning in my opinion.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    @David -- Republicans engage in class warfare too. What else do you call demonizing the poor as worthless bums?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Democrats have pushed this nation to the brink of fiscal failure, and Republicans have been pushing from behind along the same route.

    We are running out of time. Look to the Democrats, who control the White House and the Senate, to lead. Democrats, who remind us daily that they now have a mandate, must lead to solve our $16.2 Trillion federal debt, balance the budget (first lets hope they figure out how to actually present a budget in the Senate), enact an energy plan that will keep America secure, stabilize the Middle East, avoid another recession, figure out how to make the Affordable Care Act actually reduce the cost of health care in America (which it is not doing--have your premiums and health care become less expensive?), make Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid solvent for decades to come...to name just a few of the issues that perplex our nation.

    I will watch and hope that Democrats will actually lead and be successful. So far they have only attacked, lobbed falsehoods, and engaged in class warfare.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    Hope is the foundation of this country. It is what is the basis of the "American Dream". It isn't something invented just 4 years ago, but was what got families 300 years to pull up roots from the homes of their ancestors to said across a foreign sea to a new and unknown land - hope of religious freedom, hope to own ones own land, hope to be able to create a better world for their kids. It is "hope" that keeps people coming to this land.

    Reality is what dictated the fate of people living in the middle east for centuries, where there is little to give parents any reasonable expectation their kids can have a better life. Reality is what drives people to do the most desperate acts to throw off those they perceive as their oppressors. Reality is what drives young men and women to let themselves be turned into human bombs.

    We are a nation of hope. Wh hope that our leaders will eventually do the right thing. We have hope for our kids futures, e. Hope will survive both the president and the speaker.

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT

    Major policy achievement:

    " It's pretty clear that the president was reelected, Obamacare is the law of the land."

    --John Boehner

    As for continuing attempts to repeal Obamacare by the House, Boehner replied,

    "No decisions at this point."

    As for other policy accomplishments:

    Lily Ledbetter Act, DREAM Act, repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", recovery from Great Recession, improved relations on an international level, elimination of Osama Bin Laden, political change in Egypt and Libya, and many other policy changes which conservatives may not like, but the voters apparently did.

    America re-elected the president. Although you may claim different reasons behind the victory, I, happily, disagree. The American voter is not stupid! The whole birther and "The Other" nonsense was racist. The 47% moocher appeal was class-based and insulting, the "legitimate" rape statement and saying that God intended that a rape victim carry a fetus to term was simply insane.

    Romney pandered to the extreme Right and lost. The issues went far beyond the crude appeals to the Republican base. Moderate Americans saw the scam for what it was. Republicans continue to maintain a 1950s mentality in a 21st Century world.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    "The angry, old white men who rant hysterically about the destruction of America"

    Ironically I perversely agree - since that statement is merely a passive/aggressive way of stating that Obama won based upon race, class and gender warfare (because he could not win based upon his policies).

    Unfortunately, while such hate may be be politically correct, it is still hate. Hate is not particularly healthy for America

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    patriot Cedar Hills, UT

    The election is over. The talking points have been debunked and are no longer relevant. The wingnut extremists are pulling back into their shells looking for someone to blame. The angry, old white men who rant hysterically about the destruction of America and the infidel in the White House have been defeated. The fears of a declining white majority and the loss of an "inspired, Christian" nation are unfounded.

    Sure, the crazies still inhabit the dark recesses of the political world, but today is a new day and the single-minded drive to make Barack Obama a one-term president is gone. The rules are different. The concept of Obama as "The Other" didn't play in Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Florida. All the anti-Obama rhetoric fell flat.

    So Republicans can either turn their attention to solving the problems of America or lose more Senate and House seats in Congress so that work can be done. Obstructionism is no longer a workable philosophy. Republicans don't get everything they want. There is no mandate for them. They lost.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    This article had nothing to do with gay marriage

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Hope or Hype? We are 4 years into Obama now and we all know the hope was all hype. So let's start from there.Whether you love or hate the man we all have to live with him like it or not so we might as well live in the "real" world this time around. Here are the challenges of the real world:

    1. There is a Fiscal cliff that we are fast approaching that will hurt us all - BAD - if it is not handled right. Can Obama and the GOP meet in the middle? Both will have to bend. Obama has shown zero willingness in the past to bend being the extremist that he is so you can't be too hopeful. In the past it's been my way or nothing for Obama. That doesn't work in any presidency. The GOP will bend ... but not sale out.
    2. Job creation. How?? Raise taxes and you cause the job creators to cut back even further on their bottom line. Obama has promised to raise taxes so if he does unemployment will rise - drastically.
    3. Deficit. 16 trillion and counting. 20 trillion makes us Greece. This is disaster!!

    the clock is ticking

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:59 a.m.

    From the Deseret news...

    Gallup Poll Majority of Americans support gay marriage By Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 05 20 2011

    For the first time since Gallup started studying the issue in 1996, the polling organization found a majority of Americans favor legalizing same-sex marriage.

    Ten states now allow gay marriage in just eight years.

    Choose the right side of history.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:55 a.m.

    This is exactly the sort of article that stirs up anger on both sides of the aisle and does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to give us any new information, not to mention positive suggestions.

    I'll leave it up to others to blog and argue the merits of the article all day.
    Have fun!

    What a waste of news or commentary space!