Every vote doesn't count

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  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    I would say you just don't get it, but I see several others beat me to the punch.If you look at the results of school board races, several races were 50/50. The determining factor was a handful of votes that weren't even enough to constitue a percentage, tipping the scale one way or another.

    What we should be more concerned about is how informed people are when they vote. In good ol' SLC, there was a measure on the ballot for parks and trails. A nice thought until you take into consideration the fact that real estate taxes will be raised considerably because of it. Not a time to pass it when the nation is facing a financial cliff.

  • JLR Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    I'm disgusted at the hateful remarks of this thread. There are many people that feel the way the letter writer does. it's simply an observation. Why be nasty?

  • Michael_Haskins Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    MY VOTE DID NOT COUNT yet - I Proudly Voted for Obama
    Romney's unethical behavior is even more blatent than the 'The Evils of Capitalism' that Karl Marx wrote about. The financially successful, pursuit of profit beyond all else ('The ROOT of all EVIL') - does NOT display 'smarts' so much as GREED. - He does NOT shine a positive light on his allegedly 'Christian' beliefs - or the LDS Church.

    Being 'successful' by shuffling money at the expense of honest hard - working employees, his complete disregard for the TRUTH - (a true politician/used car salesman - tell them whatever they want to hear, regardless of facts) is DISGUSTING!

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    I don't like the electoral college. They don't have a basketball team and nobody ever graduates.

    Can we just start counting votes?

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    In Utah, your votes only count locally. If you vote Democrat, your vote is null and void because all of Utah's delegate votes will go the the Republican candidate anyway, and you don't need to bother voting Republican because your neighbors already did.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    The genius of our founding fathers is that they put in mechanisms in our Constitution to bring forth change as needed. We need to investigate one to get rid of the electoral college as presently constituted. A proportional electoral college system may be that solution where each congressional district provides an elector and the overall state winner gets two (symbolic of the Senate) electoral votes (the system now favored by both Maine and Nebraska). That would bring the election to more people than the people of 10-11 swing states. Indeed our founding fathers felt the electoral college would protect the interests of the small states. But over time the electoral college is really no longer serving that function. It elevates the importance of states, big or small, where the electoral college may be disputed. Divide that up into 435 parts instead of 51, the election comes closer to the people, still protects the smaller states but makes candidates pay attention to all of the country.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    Where are todays (Saturday) letters???

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 6:58 a.m.

    The US Constitution provided for a balance between small population states and large ones. This is one of the reasons for the Senate having 2 per state and the House being divided based on population.

    The current US Presidential Electoral System keeps part of that concept so that voters in California, New York, and a few others do not decide who is elected, ignoring the rest of the country.

    The original system was designed to that the electors nominated two candidates, one not from their state, and unless there was a candidate nominated by the majority of electors, the voting for president out of the top 5 nominees was done by the US House of Representatives, one vote per state. If two candidates received a majority of electors, the House would decide between just the two. Basically, the loser of the top two became the Vice President, who would take over if something happened to the President. The elector college system protected every state from being ignored.

    While the current system doesn't work as originally intended, there is still some balance favoring smaller states, just barely enough to encourage candidates to campaign throughout most of the country

    Nov. 10, 2012 1:23 a.m.

    The swing states are the best argument for ending the electoral college. (with the money we spend on elections, we should at least have an electoral university).

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    Imagine if it came down to a popular vote.
    Gore would have been president and the disaster in Iraq and the economic disaster of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy wouldn't have happened.
    The US would have avoided the worst president in history, Bush.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    At one level she is right. It appears the amount of Republican voters that turned out across the country was down, as was Obama's from the 2008 election. But I wonder if it had a lot to do with calling the election early and people staying home.

    On the other hand, it is their choice to do that and when voters stay home they also don't cast vote in state and local elections in reality have a lot more to do with our daily lives than what the President does.

    Mathematically speaking, there is one in a million or so chance or vote actually matters...it is en masse where it can count and will likely count more in a local election.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    The logic of the person who wrote this letter to the editor is
    flawed. No matter what the media says, Its people's votes that
    determine who will win any election. If the media reports
    contrary to how the voting actually goes, then the media will
    be exposed as having made a bad call.

    This happened twice that I know of, with presidents Truman
    and Bush (the 2nd). Any voter standing in line hearing a
    media prediction, needs to keep this in mind.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    I've been voting for well over 30 yrs, as a CA resident for 18. The national election is often called before all the votes are counted in CA. It is interesting to look back in time at past elections, the electoral and popular vote statistics. It does seem we've become more polarized. I think the rise of right-wing media particularly GOP tv and radio has played a big role in perpetuating the polarization. In years past most of us were watching/listening to Walter Cronkite.

    Should there be a media "blackout" on election night until all the states have counted their votes? Florida would have us waiting for days, even weeks. At least in CA we can hear the results without staying up until the wee hours of the night.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    Sal, that is why I posted my comment. There is not need for comments like that. I expect it, see it, when I go to the Trib, which is rare. I wish it was no so here.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    I believe the writer understands that state and local elections are important. I trust she knows this. Nor do I think that her point is sour grapes. It comes from a frustration that is valid in the context of the national election. On a side note, it would be nice if those who mocked this person's point would express your thoughts with some civility.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    I wish the Deseret News wouldn't publish demeaning responses such as the 'boo-hoo' comment made earlier. Demeaning and cynical responses are not respectful of differing opinions.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    By the same token, I feel my vote in Utah does not count. I usually vote Democrat and this is the most Republican state in the United States. And the Republican legislature virtually disenfranchises Salt Lake City by dividing it into three congressional districts. However, that does not absolve me from the duty of voting. Narrower margins prevent a party from believing they have a mandate to do whatever they want without compromise.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    File this complaint along with those who felt the need to "take back America"! Question: "From whom were you going to retrieve it?" The only possible answer is that you want to take it back from the majority which would be apparent if you hadn't been telling yourself for the last four years that the 2008 election was a mistake.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    You know what's funny?

    12 years ago when Bush won even though the majority of Americans wanted Gore, folks like Lori didn't show any sympathy and cited the "divine foresight" of the Constitution and Electoral College.

    Now, all of a sudden, after 2 straight losses, folks like Lori are complaining about their votes not counting.

    Where was their concern over this issue in 2000? Had Romney won, would they still be as concerned about their votes not counting? Doubt it.

    This is the problem with repubs. Hypocrisy. For example, they demand that cuts be made yet they don't want any cuts to their programs. Utah leaders demand cuts. But have you seen the uproar they cause when anybody threatens to cut federal money to our roads? Or to Hill Air Force Base? They hire lobbyists to keep that cash well a flowing to Utah!

    Enjoy the ride Lori. I had to endure 8 years of Bush, your President. And i survived. Pretty sure you can endure 8 years of Obama, my President.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    Lori, here are two BAD solutions to the problem. Get the USA to do as our totalitarian friends in China do.

    1. Have only a few hundred of the political elite vote for the nations leadership. Every vote counts there. If you do not vote for the correct person you may join the millions on the outside of the process or perhaps worse.

    2. Have only ONE time zone for the entire nation. China has only one time zone for a nation that is as wide east and west as the “old” 48 states of these United States.

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    I hear this kind of comment a lot and it makes no sense.

    The only difference between a swing state and any other state is that the pollsters don’t know who is likely to win in the swing state. But as soon as we know who won in a swing state, the loser’s votes are just as meaningless as anyone else’s who chose the loser.

    A popular vote will NOT fix the problem. The pollsters will still tell us who is likely to win the popular vote. If it is a large margin, we will ALL know who is going to win before we vote. Then, by your logic, no one’s vote will count.

    The only way to solve the problem is to get rid of these pre-election polls and bar the news channels from predicting winners. We can then all go to the polls with no idea what everybody else is going to do and find out who won when all the votes are counted.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Oh, boohoo. My candidate didn't win. The candidate from the other sheeple party did. My vote didn't count. oh, boohoo.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    "I no longer believe that every vote counts, and I seriously doubt I will ever vote in a national election again."

    And I seriously doubt that you will never vote in a national election again.

    Besides, weren't there other votes that counted? Just ask Jim Matheson and Mia Love if every vote counted. I'm sure their opinions would be far different than yours.

    Perhaps instead of demonstrating sour grapes you should suggest solutions for why Romney lost swing states?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Sour grapes.

    In CA there are always several propositions to be voted on as well as local, state, and federal legislators.

    I would like to know what is wrong with Florida that it takes them days to count votes?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    "The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not counted in Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already voted. and yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count." - Doug

    Thanks Doug. Now we know why Romney lost. Are you the "angry white man" that is part of the shrinking GOP base?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    Two words: Electoral College.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:07 a.m.

    I'm not sure how old the author is, but this is hardly new.

    When it comes down to it, though, there is an area where every vote does count - the popular vote. This does not bear a lot of weight, but may become more important in future elections.

    Besides which, if you don't vote, you really have no room to complain about the results.

  • glendenbg Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Props to the letter writer for being a poll worker. However, I wonder how much attention she's paid to previous elections. Presidential elections always come down to a few swing states because of the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College. In 2000, George W. Bush lost the popular vote but still became president. Lots of states, Utah among them, reliably vote for a particular party, so there's not a lot of question about who will get our electoral votes.

    If people don't want a few swing states to decide elections, then we need to get serious about reforming how we choose presidents and we need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to a national popular vote.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not counted in Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already voted. and yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    If Utah were evenly divided between R's and D's, it too would be a swing state. Then we could enjoy non-stop blitzkrieg advertising and campaign visits from the candidates, like Ohio. Guess we'll just have to wait for the Latino population to grow some more.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    Lori, didn't you also vote for other candidates on the ballot? Governor, Senator, House of Reps, Dog Catcher, etc.?

    Did you also feel like your vote didn't count in 2000 and 2004 when a Republican won the presidency?

    If you'd like to work to abolish the Electoral College and elect presidents by popular vote, I'll join you in that effort.

    But otherwise... Quit whining.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:44 a.m.

    Your votes were not "totally meaningless". They were just easily predicted.

    I can assure you that California's electoral votes were not meaningless, but they were a forgone conclusion.

    The GOP candidate was assured of Utah's electoral votes long before the polls opened.

    The same will hold true in 2016.

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:27 a.m.

    The letter writer obviously is speaking only about the presidential election. With Utah being the reddest state in the nation, according to the letter writer, anyone who doesn't vote Republican is wasting their vote which may not be an issue to 74% of Utah voters who consistently vote Republican.

    However, there are state-level and local positions requiring a vote. And there are various propositions and other issues requiring a decision by voters. So, except for the presidental election, all others are decided by votes cast by statewide voters. Voters outside of Utah do not vote on Utah-specific offices and/or ballot measures.

    Since Utah is relatively small in population, the letter writer might argue that her vote is wasted because other states have much larger populations and these states would dominate the electoral process. It's the old rural versus urban argument. However, this is why each state, regardless of population, each gets two Senate seats. One can see an objection in California for Utah to have the same number of senator it gets, but that is the way it is. But the fact remains that state and local elections still need her vote.