Obama, GOP leaders lay down markers on budget deal

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    Deep Space 9, Ut
    To "Happy Valley Heretic" the best thing that the Republicans can do right now for the country is be obstructionists. Historically when Congress spends its time stuck in gridlock, the economy does best. Even better would be to start cutting regulations, taxes, and the size of government, just like at the end of WWII when we began to pay down the debt.

    And what was the corporate tax rate? what was the tax rate on the wealthy then?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Even though a small geographical portion of the United States of America voted for President Obama and barely a majority this President has to still work at getting anything done. He appears to be losing a Secretary of the Treasury who couldn't run an Excel Spreadsheet or pay his taxes so maybe it will only take 3 years more to have someone that could be trained to know how to do a budget. That way the Healthcare plan could kick in and we wouldn't know if it was going to cause one of the largest depressions or even a small recession that the next President could blame on this Administration for another 4 years.

    Again, it is a good thing we have a House that is the budget place and their voters wanted them to take care of the budget. They have done it the past two years for this President but he and the Senate keep on wrangling and not acting.

    I think of the people that say they didn't know anything about Governor Romney. After 4 years, we still don't know this President. He still is trying to figure out with a new fiduciary cabinet and CZARS.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    How about this for something that Obama and the Senate need to work out. How about you pass a budget? The last budget that was passed was the 2008 budget. Since then no budgets have passed the Senate. Last year the House passed a budget, but the Senate refused to put it up for a vote.

    To "Economist" you seem to have missed the fact that the Bush tax cuts expired a year ago. Obama implemented the same tax cuts, and has again put them on the table for extension.

    To "Happy Valley Heretic" the best thing that the Republicans can do right now for the country is be obstructionists. Historically when Congress spends its time stuck in gridlock, the economy does best. Even better would be to start cutting regulations, taxes, and the size of government, just like at the end of WWII when we began to pay down the debt.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    patriot: "I read your comments and I have to wonder where your thinking originates from?"

    Of course it's totally alien to you because faux does not present views outside of your beliefs.
    I haven't been programed by faux to run away from those who disagree with me, because differences in opinion and change do not frighten me.
    What exactly is socialistic about my post?

    JWB: In 2004, President Bush was re-elected with 286 electoral votes, defeating Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) by 3.3 million votes -- the smallest popular-vote margin since 1976 (excluding the 2000 election) and the lowest electoral vote count for an incumbent president's re-election since Woodrow Wilson drew 277 electoral votes in1916. Nevertheless, many in the media were quick to echo Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that "the nation" gave Bush "a mandate."
    Then Obama's win Is A Huge Mandate by Republican standards anyway.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    Mandate isn't from a 50-50 vote. The benefit of the Constitution of the United States of America is that we have our U.S. Representatives in Congress that get elected every two years to protect people in all the United States of America. Those are the local touch type of United States elected officials that are constantly being in the elected process. Senators have a little more leeway. Representatives of the people still elected a majority of Republicans and with the Promise of Jim Matheson who will vote for the people of Utah, we don't have anything to worry about.

    He says he walks the highline with the people of Utah so we don't have to worry about him voting any other way.

    We may not agree with all the Tea Party and Eagle Forum do within the Republican Party but they are a balance for what the Liberal Liberal Liberal Democrats have done for the past 50 years for our people and governmental processes.

    This should have happened along the way during the past 50 years but it has allowed people to become entrenched in requiring a lot of services from the federal government in social ways.

    Nov. 8, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    So if they ignored the peoples will on Obama care then how did Obama get elected the first time when he ran on that platform and the get reelected on a platform that included defending Obama care. He may have ignored your wished but he did not ignore and is not ignoring the wishes of the majority of Americans that have now twice voted him into office.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    When Obama was campaigning for "Change" and fundamentally changing America, he was serious. However, a fundamental change to America means change in its deepest roots, specifically the Constitution and the American ideals. Those are going to start changing at a faster rate now that Obama is reelected. Remember, he has more "flexibility" now.

    Our best hope is that the Libya ordeal comes to the forefront and Obama gets impeached. However, the media doesn't want this and neither does Obama (he will be "investigating" the situation until the day he dies). I would suggest that the voice of the people speak out and state their desire, but we saw in early 2010 with the health care debate how willing this administration is in listening to the American people.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Our representative were reelected by much larger margins than Obama. They need to stand by their principles. They have a bigger state sponsored mandate.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    The blue on the map makes up about ten percent of the country geographically. The blue is in the cities only and other small parts of population concentrations. Those are the areas of the great concentrations of minorities, unemployed and welfare recipients not seeking work. Of course they'l vote Obama, he continues to give give give with no requirement for those recipients who are able to work to do so. That vote is hardly a mandate that the other half of the country owes anything or should give anything to Mr. Obama when he represents everything that will lead to the destruction of the greatest country in the history of mankind. There has never been a successful socialized government ie. Russia, North Korea, Greece, etc. etc. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Liberals want the rich to pay their fair share. That sounds reasonable of course that means the Hollywood elite would also be included in that group, right? You know those same people that say Republicans are greedy and capitalism is evil and most of them probably voted for Obama. They rail against the system that made them what they are today. When the rich and famous in the entertainment industry are hit with higher taxes themselves they just might decide to become conservatives. Say after the first million it is 55% after that. That would cover the less than 1%

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    re:Happy Valley Heretic

    I read your comments and I have to wonder where your thinking originates from? It seems like you have a HUGE chip on your shoulder against capitalism and America in general. Did it ever occur to you that most people in Utah don't believe in your America nor do they want to raise their kids and grandkids in your America? I would think you would be much happier in socialist Europe... that seems to be the core of your thinking at least.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Re: "Obama, GOP leaders lay down markers"

    Yeah, and the liberal marker is the same as it's always been -- conservatives must abandon all principles and embrace liberal tax-and-spend lunacy.

    Here's hoping conservatives have the guts and integrity to stand up to liberals. Embrace "NO." Embrace the fiscal cliff. Clearly illustrate the inevitable effects of 80 years of liberal profligacy.

    In other words, let America come face-to-face with the future Obama and liberals are peddling.

    And realize there is no Santa Claus.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Raising taxes will not help the fiscal cliff. It will just give the democrats more money to spend on failed social programs and failed green jobs. The cost of each green jobs so far are about 500,000 dollars per. and most of them are now gone because of the failed companies.The reason Romney lost is we have more living off the gov't ( Taxpayers ) than we have workers. Hence: Why vote for some one who will make you work than someone who will pay you to sit on your duff and watch fading Obama posters.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    clueless community organizer has no solution. the house needs to let us go over the cliff as the takers, including obama, will never get it

  • What is the truth? Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    It's too bad Congress (especially the Republicans) and the Democrats didn't listened to the bi-partisan committee on the deficit. There were harsh measures for both sides but they were at least realistic. The bizarre concepts on the Republicans... let's cut taxes and increase spending on the military and the equally bizarre notion of the Democrats to just tax the rich more simply are too simplistic (the math doesn't work). No one wants to make the hard decisions since it will prevent them from getting elected next time. I'm hoping that now we have final term President he will find a way to break the gridlock and force the hard choices. Not that I'm holding my breath... after all with the number of filibusters in Congress it is about impossible to get anything done. And THAT you can blame the Republicans for.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    In the long run, twenty, thirty years, no matter what happens, even if America must unfortunately experience another recession, the American long-term deficit problem will begin to be addressed and as such the harsh Republican fiscal restraint, pay as you go policy will prevail. It's only the Republican military industrial complex that will every be hurt along with the larger Democratic constituency of the less well off. The rest of America will limp along for a while with less while America rebuilds on a stronger economic footing.

  • Economist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    The Bush Tax Cuts will have to expire...

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    I think the American people have made a "mandate" with this landslide victory.
    I also believe if the republicans expect to hold any offices after the next election they will find a way to not be the obstructionist party and actually do something for the people instead of their party.

    although I'm sure unPatriotic people will continue there negative attacks for another four years because there is nothing that Obama could ever do to please the angry "Gray Old Party."

    And actually We expect that Obama will continue to be a great leader even as the GOP self destructs in their own narrowing POV.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Suddenly the Dems say we should listen to the will of the American people. Isn't it interesting how they ignored that advice when it came time to vote on Obama-Care?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Does anyone liberal or conservative really expect anything - anything at all - to actually get done over the next 4 years that is for the good of ALL the people of the US? Obama will not and will never compromise on anything - the man is not a leader. The US House is not going to simply cave in to the liberal agenda. Stalemate.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Most people want someone else to pay more taxes. Sure, I want someone to pay for my house and food as well. We all need to pay more. Sure, the rich will still pay most, but for real reform, everyone needs to feel the pain.