@hank pymWhat "relevence" did you think that game had?LOL!
The Utes have 2 chances to beat Washington at Washington slim and none and
since a certain person who shall remain nameless and is seldom if ever right
has predicted a utah win i,m going to go with none.
@ Just the FAXGlorying in the vain things of this world, yet again!?
Lets bottom line it, Shall we...?Utah is playing a relevant game (In
Nov) against a decent opponent. Can war kitty fans say the same?
Spokane UteNational ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah noneHeisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah noneNational Individual
Award WinnersBYU 15Utah noneNational College Football
Hall of Fame PlayersBYU 6Utah noneTop 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7Top 15 FinishesBYU 10Utah 4NFL MVP'sBYU 1Utah noneSuper Bowl MVP'sBYU 2Utah nonebut, here's the rebuttal to your
misguided pronouncement that "Utah football has left BYU in the dust"Top 25 FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1
Spokane UteWhen all else fails, pretend that history didn't
start until you finally accomplished something meaningful.
@troytownWhen all else fails, jump in to your time machine.
Let's talk about the here and now, shall we?Ever won the Sugar or
Fiesta Bowl? Didn't think so.Ever lost the last three, or 8 out of
the last 11 to your rival? YesBYU has never won a BCS BowlBYU has
lost to the Utah 3 years in a rowBYU has one player, to every 3 players
that Utah has in the NFLFace it, Utah football has left BYU in the dust;
quick to the time machine.
That #1 finish by BYU was a true testiment to the fallacy of voting polls.
Spokane UteWhen BYU beat the defending National Champions, Miami was
ranked #1, higher than then #3-ranked Alabama team that Utah beat.Miami finished #3 in the final polls; Alabama finished #6 in the final
polls.Sorry, but the final polls are the only thing that counts, and
your typical Utah spin that 1990 was too long ago to "count" is simply
the same old jealous Utah propaganda.1990 was only 8 years before
1998, the year Utah fans still talk about like it was only yesterday, when it
comes to basketball.The simple truth is:Utah has never
finished as high in the polls as #1 BYU, EVER.Utah has never played a team
as highly ranked as #1 Miami, EVER.Utah has never beaten a team that
finished the season as highly ranked as #3 Miami, EVER.
Sports FanLet's tell all the FACTS, shall we? When BYU beat
Miami it was 1990. It was the first game of the season, at home of couse. When
Utah beat Bama it was for the Sugar Bowl trophy, in Bama's back yard. Big
difference. You also had to go back over 20 years for that one. Typical!
U 90"Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to beat
a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire year at #1? An Alabama team
who's only loss prior to Utah came at the hands of the eventual National
Champion."Yes, we do. BYU beat #1-ranked, defending
National Champion Miami in 1991. It was the game that launched Ty Detmer's
Heisman Trophy winning season. Miami, fyi, finished #3, higher than Alabama,
which finished at #6.It's true, Bronco doesn't have a win
over a team that's finished in the Top 10, although he came very close to
beating the #3-ranked team a couple of weeks ago at Notre Dame.It's also true that Bronco has 3 Top 15 finishes, versus only 1 for Kyle,
and 5 Top finishes, versus only 3 for Kyle.BYU holds the edge for
the last half century, 29-21, the only period that either team has done anything
on a national scale.The FACTS prove that on a national scale of
national rankings and national awards, Utah's accomplishments pale in
comparison to BYU's - it's not even close.
U 90Uteanymous's response was in answer to Craig Frantz's
question:"whens the last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road,
with an above .500 record?"Nothing in his response even
suggested that BYU's win over Oklahoma was on par or more impressive than
Utah's win over Alabama.However, Oklahoma 2009 did finish the
season 8-5 with wins over then #12 Oklahoma State(9-4) 27-0 and then #21
Stanford(8-5) 31-27 in the Sun Bowl (sound familiar) and 3 of the first 4
players selected in the 2009 NFL draft were on that Oklahoma team, which proves
that Oklahoma was indeed a very good team, better than any team either Utah or
BYU has beaten since Utah's Sugar Bowl win.Why are you so
touchy about BYU fans commenting on Utah articles? Many BYU articles
attract more comments from Utah fans than articles about Utah published at the
same time. In fact, the articles published this week about BYU scheduling
Michigan and Virginia have attracted over 160 comments, at least half of them
from Utah fans.
Who are we playing this weekend BYU or Washington? Let's get back on topic
and talk about the opponent at hand, not the one that we BEAT earlier this
Phoenix, I'll use your templateDo you have any idea how
incredibly difficult it is to beat a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire
year at #1? An Alabama team who's only loss prior to Utah came at the
hands of the eventual National Champion.Bronco has never beaten a
top 10 team, Kyle has done it twice.It doesn't prove that Utah
is better than BYU, but it does prove that Bronco is not capable of winning the
REALLY BIG games.Despite BYU's dominance during the 70's
and 80's, Utah still holds the all-time edge 55-34. Like I
said, your stats prove nothing that is relevant to this season. Regarding BYU
vs. Utah, the only stat that really matters in 2012 is 24-21.I've hit my quota on posts for the week boys, so I'll see you next
week. Try to come to the table with something other than your useless stat
merry go round.
Uteanymous,That 2009 Oklahoma team finished the season unranked (you
didn't mention that). So Craig Frantz makes a good point that both Utah
and BYU are due for big wins. Utah has the upper hand with big-time wins as
recently as 2008 (6 Alabama, 7 TCU, 18 Oregon State).However, you
are missing the point again. That is, your stats do not prove BYU superiority,
nor will they prove that Utah's football future is more bleak than
BYU's. You guys have big problems of your own to figure out like beating
ND, Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin etc. When was the last time BYU beat a top 15
program?So why are you over here again?
U 90Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to actually
LOSE to a 10-loss team?BYU has only lost to two 10-loss teams in
their entire football history.Kyle has lost to two 10-loss teams in
the last 5 years.It doesn't prove that BYU is better than Utah,
but it does prove that Kyle is capable of losing to ANYBODY, while Bronco
seldom, if ever, loses to bad teams.Bronco was undefeated versus
Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and UNLV.Kyle lost to every one of
them at least once; some more than once.What proves that BYU is
better than U is BYU's perennial Top 25 finishes for the last 35 years (18
since 1977) versus only 7 for Utah EVER!Despite Utah's
"dominance" during the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's,
Utah didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, 58 years after the poll
was started in 1936.
@ Riddles "BYU wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after
throttling UCLA"Yes, but BYU lost AT HOME to a 5-7 UNLV team.
Does this somehow make BYU better than Utah?@ Riddles "BYU
hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's, unlike the Utes who lost
to the Huskies at home last year."Before 2011, Utah's last
loss to Washington was 1979. Does Utah's 0-6 record vs. Washington between
1931 - 1979 somehow seal Utah's fate in 2012? @ Riddles
"BYU was one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road"BYU lost to Utah for the 3rd straight year. Does the loss at ND somehow
make BYU better than Utah?Your stats prove nothing other than BYU is
just as good/bad as Utah.
"You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around stats in an effort
to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior."Anything's possible, but based on historical precedence, Utah beating
Washington on the road isn't impossible, but it would be an upset, despite
what the betting line may say.Washington has already beaten two
arguably much better teams at home, Stanford and Oregon State.The
only chance I see of Utah pulling off the upset is winning the turnover battle
by at least +2, or getting a couple of easy scores on kickoff/punt returns.
U 90"Why are you so concerned about Utah's inability to
beat certain PAC12 teams...?"Why are Utah fans so defensive
about Utah's inability to beat good PAC 12 teams?Just to set
the record straight, BYU is 6-9 all time versus San Jose State, 8 of BYU's
9 losses to San Jose State occurred pre-WAC. During the last half century, BYU
is 6-1 versus San Jose State, and BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since a
21-25 set back at San Jose State on November 30, 1968. In 1967, BYU beat the
Spartans 67-8 in Provo.Dig a little deeper and you'll learn
that the differences between the BYU-San Jose State series and the
Utah-Washington series are HUGE.---------Craig FrantzIn 2009, BYU beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma in Dallas Cowboys stadium in
what could easily be considered as much of a home game for the Sooners as
playing the Huskies in Seattle is for Washington - the driving distance from
Norman, OK to Dallas, TX is only 189 miles and at least 80 to 85% of the fans in
Dallas were Oklahoma fans.
@TroyTown:"In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to
have to beat two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12
teams with winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once
since 2009."That's inaccurate. Utah will have to beat at
least one of them, and beat Colorado to become bowl eligible. The Utes could
beat AZ/UW and lose to Colorado and still become bowl eligible, but that's
U90"Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget
that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier."BYU
wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after throttling UCLA."You discount Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008
was a superior body of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25
teams."The fact that BYU 1984 wasn't as tested as Utah
2008, in no way proves that BYU 1984 wasn't better.BYU 1983 and
BYU 1984, basically the same team, less Young plus Bosco, had a 24-game winning
streak and beat TWO Top 15 teams on the road to finish with back-to-back Top 7
finishes. Take a look at how many players on BYU's 1984 National
Championship team ended up playing in the NFL and you'll get a clearer
picture of just how good that team really was, despite their mediocre
schedule.BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's,
unlike the Utes who lost to the Huskies at home last year.BYU was
one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road.
@SkywalkerThanks for the info. Not being a jerk, just asking; whens the
last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road, with an above .500 record? Both BYU
and Utah are over due.
Great stats and informaion from Uteology. Let's be honest, neither Utah or
BYU have pulled off a good road win in awhile. I hope that changes tomorrow
night; GO UTAH!
TroyTown,You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around
stats in an effort to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior.
Examples:Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget
that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier.You discount
Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008 was a superior body
of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25 teams. BYU on the other hand
beat zero ranked teams in 84 and their signature win was either Air Force 8-4 or
Michigan 6-6, you pick.A recent example is your mention of
Utah's 0-7 record against Washington while BYU is 4-4. Yet next week BYU
plays San Jose State and are 3-6 lifetime while Utah is 6-1. Does this somehow
prove BYU's fate is hopeless and Utah is superior? Why are you
so concerned about Utah's inability to beat certain PAC12 teams, when BYU
has demonstrated they can rarely beat a good BCS team which is essential for an
independent program. How's the view from your glass house TT?
StGtoSLCFirst of all, I'm not TroyTown.Secondly,
TroyTown's comparison is meaningful in several ways:Both games
were home games, just a year apart, against a Washington team with an identical
record.----------U 90As Skywalker pointed
out, it's not just an inferior/superior argument. For Utah, beating good
conference teams on a regular basis is essential if the Utes are going to be
competitive in the conference. In their first two seasons in the PAC 12, the
Utes haven't been able to beat a good conference team, which is why the
Utes finished with a losing conference record last season, and are in danger of
doing the same this season.If the Utes can't beat good PAC 12
teams, they obviously have no chance of ever winning the conference championship
and the likelihood of Utah not even qualifying for a bowl will be high.
That's pretty funny, Blue Coug. In one breath you say, "If you're
looking for a relevant comparison, however, consider this." And then the
very next thing you mention is results from two different seasons' games.
It sure looks like there is a discrepancy between fanbases on terms like
"relevant" and "comparison."
Kudos to Uteology and BlueCoug for their research. Especially BluCoug who was
willing to share stats that didn't exactly help BYU. He's an honest
guy.So, can we put to rest the argument put forth by some Cougar
fans that Utah is somehow inferior because their last win on the road against a
PAC 12 school with a winning record was in 1996.... YET BYU's WAS 1983.
Keep in mind that Utah also beat Oregon in 1994 in Eugene and the Ducks went on
to play in the Rose bowl that year.
Spokane Ute"You must have me confused with some one else. I have
no idea why you use the "black kettle" reference at me."The reference wasn't intended for you specifically, it was intended for
the dozens of Utah trolls who spam every BYU article with mostly meaningless
drivel.------As for the "road win against a PAC 12
team with a winning record" discussion:Let's assume that
the minimum standard for defining a PAC 12 team as "good" is having a
winning record.Let's also assume that as a member of the PAC
12, Utah will be playing 4 to 6 good PAC 12 teams every year for the foreseeable
future.The fact that Utah hasn't beaten a good PAC 12 team
since 2009 should be of some concern to Utah fans who understand that Utah will
have to beat Washington(5-4) or Arizona(5-4) in order to become bowl
eligible.Going forward, Utah will have to beat good conference
opponents on a regular basis if the Utes are ever going to be anything more than
a PAC 12 cellar dweller.btw, BYU doesn't have another PAC 12
road game scheduled until 2016.
UteologyYou've obviously missed the point. How is BYU's
record, past or present, meaningful, when it comes to Utah's task at
hand?In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to have to beat
two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12 teams with
winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once since
2009.If you're looking for a relevant comparison, however,
consider this:Unlike Utah 2011 getting manhandled 14-31 at home by
Washington(7-6), BYU 2010 did manage to beat the Huskies(7-6) at home 23-17,
with Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson splitting time in their first ever game in a
BYU uniform. BYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington.Utah is 0-7
all time versus Washington.
UteologyYou're correct, BYU's last road win against a PAC
12 team with a winning record was in 1983 against #17/#13 ranked UCLA(7-4-1).
BYU did have a home win against Washington(7-6) in 2010 and BYU has had several
recent bowl wins versus PAC 12 teams.Of course, BYU's record
against winning PAC 12 teams isn't really relevant to a Utah team that
still hasn't won a game against a PAC 12 team with a winning record since
the Utes joined the conference and that should be the real concern for Utah
@Solomon LeviUtah has been a member of the PAC 12 for over a season
and a half, and the Utes are still looking for their first win against a PAC 12
opponent with a winning record, home or away.============And who has BYU beat during the same period?@Mississippi (2-10)@Oregon State (3-9)@Georgia Tech (4-5)Did I miss a win?BYU is 4-13 over the last three years vs. teams above .500, not a single
win on the road. Bronco has a losing record against BCS teams.
@Solomon LeviIn 1999 BYU beat Washington (7-5) in Provo not on the
road. The last road win I could find was in 1983.
@SkywalkerPlease correct me if I'm wrong but my research shows
the last PAC-12 road win vs above .500 teams:Utah - 9/7/1996
@Stanford (7-5) W 17-10BYU - 10/1/1983 @ UCLA (7-4-1) W 37-35And back to today...Washington has the edge at home in a close
game but I think IF Utah's offense plays like they have the last two games
then we beat them by 2 TDs. I don't see Washington scoring more than 24
points on our defense, the highest score was 27 vs SDSU.Our offense
has to score just 21 points plus 7 from Dunn or our defense.Utah
U 90To answer your question to Skywalker.Last win
against a PAC 12 team with a winning record:BYU Home/Neutral:
2010 WashingtonRoad: 1999 WashingtonUtahHome/Neutral:
2009 CaliforniaRoad: 1996 StanfordOf course, not being a
member of the PAC 12, BYU has had far fewer games that meet the criteria.Utah has been a member of the PAC 12 for over a season and a half, and
the Utes are still looking for their first win against a PAC 12 opponent with a
winning record, home or away.
Skywalker,What year in the 90s was it that Utah beat a PAC 12 school
on the road with a winning record? Also, when was the last time byu
accomplished this feat?
45-3. Hmm... I seem to remember similar z@@b predictions before our last game
against Washington State and those didn't pan out.Let's
say 16-10 Utes. We do a little better than expected; the game will remind
everyone of the 2008 TCU game; we come from behind and beat them in the last few
@SkywalkerYou must have me confused with some one else. I have no
idea why you use the "black kettle" reference at me. Please explain. I
always like the Utah hasn't beaten a PAC 10 team with a winning record on
the road angle though. When's the last time BYU did that? It's been a
while; but never mentioned by Utah fans. The rest of your comparision if farily
accurate. I have another simple baramoter. Who ever gains more yards between
Bishop Sankey and John White will win the game. Looking forward to
the game; GO UTES >--->
@chris Bdude, I appreciate the enthusiasm, and though your
prediction is technically possible, you have almost no credibility whatsoever
when it comes to predictions, except when it comes to predicting Utah victories
over BYU, which is just about the easiest prediction out there.Washington is notoriously difficult to play at home. I do believe that Utah
has turned a corner, but it's impossible to gauge how much they have
improved when their victories have been against teams at home, and against teams
that are struggling. The reason I think they have turned a corner is because
they have made visible improvements in execution in all facets of the game every
game since putting Travis Wilson in as the starter. I do think they will win,
but not by a landslide for sure.
This'll be a tough game but Utah has come together and put together two
great games and this won't be like last year against Washington when we had
Wynn go down with an injury turning it over to a then-untested Hays. My
prediction is Washington 24 Utah 20 but I could definitely see Utah winning
this. They need one of these next two (Washington and Arizona) and then the
Colorado game to go bowling.
Skywalker,I like your analysis. Turnovers will certainly be a major
factor. One thing that I think will help us is field position. Because our
defense is playing well, I think we will start in good spots on offense. On
kickoffs, either Reggie will have a great return, or they'll do a short
kick to avoid him. On the flip side, when we punt, Sellwood tends to boom it,
making their offense have to work hard to get upfield. However,
road difficulties will be magnified playing the Huskies. They are just
extremely tough at home. We can't be rattled with all the noise there, and
we have to play poised and smart. We can't have more dumb penalties. nunya, Chris B:Nice try. How about offering a little reason why,
that would give your unfounded predictions some credence. Go Utes!
"I love how the BYU trolls flock to the Utah articles. Always a classy
move."Pot meet kettle.----------The odds
makers have Utah as a slight favorite; I see it as a battle of turnovers.Even or +1 for either team, and the game will be close.+2 or
more for either team, and it will be at least a 10-point margin for the team
with the turnover advantage.Several factors are working against the
Utes, however:Washington is 4-1 at home, with their only loss to #21
USC 24-14 and wins versus #13 Oregon State 20-17 and #16 Stanford 17-13.Utah is 0-4 on the road and their only significant win was a squeaker at
home over BYU 24-21.Washington is 7-0 versus Utah.Utah
hasn't had a road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record since the
90's and the Utes haven't beaten a PAC 12 team that finished the
season with a winning record since joining the conference.Then, of
course, we have Chris B's prediction of a blowout for Utah, predictions
which have proven to be an inverse-barometer of actual results.
This game is basically a coin flip, as the odds makers have Utah as a 2 point
favorite. Utah, and especially Wilson, need to play like they have the last two
weeks. I love how the BYU trolls flock to the Utah articles. Always a classy
move.Looking forward to this night game in Seattle!GO
Even as a member of the PAC, when was the last time the Utes beat a PAC team on
the road? It's been a long time...and this weekend won't change that
Sissy B,A win over BYU does not a season make. Enjoy the only bowl the
Utsies will bo going to this year is the Toilet Bowl. MARK IT DOWN!!
utahutesfanaticI seriously doubt you'll ever see Chase Hansen
playing QB for the Utes. Even though Whittingham dangled the quarterback carrot
when he was recruiting him, Chase was recruited as an "athlete", and
will most likely end up on the defensive side of the ball after he returns from
It will be a tough game at UW this week, but the Utes can do it if they show up
focused and poised. It will take everything they got though. As
for Wilson. That dude is awesome. He is makings some freshman mistakes, but he
really is improving quickly and I have great hope for him. I have no
doubt that the three freshman QB's on our team are our three best
QB's: Wilson, Hansen, Schultz. However, sometimes you still have to give a
player time to adjust and understand the game, and that is why it took so long
to get Wilson in as the starter. I wish Hansen wasn't lost for the year,
but it will payoff in a few years after he returns from his mission healthy.Go Utes!
Chris BI'm sorry, but your season ended in September with that
home loss to USC that in reality eliminated U from serious contention for the
PAC 12 south.It's laughable that U consider beating up a couple
of 2- and 3- win teams at home as "turning the corner".5-7
and no bowl is more likely than 8-5 for the UtesWashington 31Utah 17Mark it down.
nunya,I'm sorry your season is over. It was basically over
back many weeks when.....we beat you. LOLI've said
all season as soon as the Utes turned the corner we'd be unstoppable.
Washington had a tough time with Cal, which says volumes. we're well on
our way to 8-5, which is very respectable(when you're a member of a
prestigious conference like we are).Utah 34Washington 218-5Mark it down.
hahahaha, that's funnyUW 45uties 3