@ Mike Richards 7:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2012 & Roland Kayser 8:16 a.m. Nov. 8,
2012Interesting that MR is all about the PEOPLE when it suits his
agenda whatever that maybe. I could swear at one point Glenn Beck
said on one of his pseudo-professorial rants said that pure Athenian Democracy
was wrong because it gave power to the people and that we needed to essentially
reinforce that status quo.Whats it going to be Mike? The true will
of the people or the corporations pulling the strings of our elected officials?
America grew up a little on tuesday. The republicans have to get in touch with a
new reality or face a slow death.
Maverickwhere did you learn to count? I guess it's only
liberal math that says 49.2% or 43.7% represent majorities.No you
are WRONG, as usual. it takes MORE THAN 50% to be a majority. 49.2 and 43.7 are
LESS than 50% and therefore do not represent a majority. 49.2 < 50. 43.7
< 50. What motivated you to make such a blatantly erroneous
statement and say I was wrong when simple math says I am correct?
To "The Real Maverick" I think I know what lost in DC was saying. Prior
to Obama, the last time the Democrats were able to get more than 50% of the
popular vote was the 1976 election.
"Actually the dems have not received a majority of the popular vote in 6 of
the last 9 presidential elections. BO in 2012 (barely), BO in 2008, and maybe
Gore in 2000. Before that you had to go back to 1976 for a dem majority. Bush in
2004, no majority in 1996 or 1992, bush sr in 1988, and Reagan in 1980 and
1984."Again, lost in DC is... Well... Lost.Do a
quick google search.Clinton in 96 won the popular vote 49.2 % to
40.7 %.In 92 he won 43.7 % of the popular vote to Bush's 37.4
%.If you want to have credibility then please tell the truth. Stop
lying. Roland was correct and you were wrong... AGAIN.
J Thompson:Sorry to hear you're living in the late 1700s rather
than the 21st century. The president today has a great deal of power to bypass
an obstructionist Congress. The House may be Republican, but it is controlled by
a bunch of whiny little children who don't know beans about governing.
Actually the dems have not received a majority of the popular vote in 6 of the
last 9 presidential elections. BO in 2012 (barely), BO in 2008, and maybe Gore
in 2000. Before that you had to go back to 1976 for a dem majority. Bush in
2004, no majority in 1996 or 1992, bush sr in 1988, and Reagan in 1980 and
1984.It's not the dem tidal wave Roland would have us beleive.
When I read articles like this, and see the liberal response, it reminds me of
the following scripture in 3 Nephi 3:5-8 "5 Therefore I have written this
epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of
your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the
field of battle. 6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye
would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your
possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that
destruction should come upon you. 7 Or in other words, yield
yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our asecret
works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves,
but our brethren and partners of all our substance."We have the
conservatives wanting to promote traditional Christian values, and the liberals
telling us to put aside those values and join them. Lets remember what happened
to those cities that put aside their traditional Christian values.
@mike richards and j thompson. Why are republicans upset with an obama win if he
does not represent them. And how is this economy his fault then? It seems the
blame belongs to congress.
@Counter: Simple observation. If you don't like it, change the party
you evidently agree with. Sounds like you know I'm right.
"You mean hating everyone who's not male, rich and white isn't
going to work"And statements like that are going to convince
others that you are anything more than the personification of what you claim to
Maybe it's time for the gop to think.Rush, Grover and Karl,
unelected gate-keepers preside over the gop.romney would not make a
move without authorization from these individuals.The next candidate
will be forced to do the same unless the gop turns the party back over to the
people and their elected representatives.
So very few people understand the Constitution that they think that the
President somehow represents them. They think that voting for president is
something more than it is. They are simply voicing their desire so that an
elector can vote for them about a figurehead who will represent their state to
the world. Their Representative sits in the House, not in the White House.
Obama does not represent them. He can create NO legislation. He is completely
powerless except to enforce laws passed by Congress.The House is
The comments here show that repubs will never let facts get in the way of their
opinions.Nationally, the GOP needs to change. If it doesn't, it
will never win another election. This country isn't ruled by white
heterosexual Christian males anymore. You need to expand your demographic and
reach out to minorities, women, non-Christians, immigrants, and homosexuals.It's that simple.
Mike,More people voted for President Obama than for Mitt Romney.
Those same people had the chance to turn control of the Senate over to the
Republicans and didn't. Capitalize all the words you like, but those are
The demise of the GOP has been coming on for some time now, like a bad cold. The
party has been hijacked by an irrational ultraconservative right wing. It can
win enough House seats to obstruct but not to govern. It refuses to compromise,
even on legislation that is conservative or moderate in nature. It is the
equivalent of the snobby kid who says, "Either we play by my rules or
I'll sit in the corner and pout." The Republicans
can't win the presidency by nominating a true conservative (as defined
today). He (not she) would alienate anyone from right of center to far left.
Romney was probably the best pick they could have made. He's a natural
moderate who should have appealed to the middle and even to some from the
center-left. But look where he had to go to win the nomination. He had to
declare himself "severely conservative," embrace positions he obviously
felt awkward endorsing, and then try to Etch-a-Sketch himself toward the center
at the end. It came off as disingenuous.I predict the GOP will split
within the next four years or become irrelevant.
roland,why am I not surprised you have reduced yourself to gloating? The
only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.
Darrel,Please read Article I of the Constitution that spells out the
duties of Congress. Note that budget bills are to originate in the House and
that the Senate may concur or propose amendments to those bills (Section 7).
Read Article II, Section 2 to see that the Senate must approve appointments.It's past time that we understood the duties of government and that
we hold ourselves responsible to know when government is fulfilling those
duties. We cannot ask government to do anything that is not authorized unless
we first amend the Constitution. Until that amendment takes place, the limits
of each branch of government is clearly defined.The HOUSE represents
the people of the United States. The HOUSE is charged with formulating a
budget. The Senate can concur with that budget, but it is not required to
concur. The Senate can propose amendments to that budget, but the House is not
required to accept those amendments. It's all there, clearly
written for all to see, in the Constitution - the Supreme Law of the Land.The power and authority of government is severely limited - no matter
what an elected official says.
You're right Roland- maybe we Republicans need a more positive message like
" vote for revenge" or "they gonna put ya'll back in
chains" btw- Republicans have I believe 30 governorships so we're
not completely in the wilderness yet
"The President is the President of the STATES. The PEOPLE are represented by
the House and the PEOPLE chose Republicans to represent them. Maybe it's
time that the President and the Senate realized that the PEOPLE want
conservative government. Maybe it's time that the President and the Senate
yield their liberal ideas to the will of the people."Mike speaks
for all people? Oh such extremism in that statement!!! How can these poor
defenseless leftists take it???? Please please where can we find more saviors
like Obama???? Defining the presidents, the houses' and senates
responsibilities is such a matter of opinion!!! Poor poor leftist Obama
lovers!!! Sarcasm off now. Right on Mike!!
This is a new season. The election is past. "Name calling" should be
set aside.We, the people, have elected people to represent us, our
states and our nation. We have assigned each branch of the federal government
specific duties and we have authorized each branch to ONLY perform certain tasks
for us. It is our duty to see that those tasks are handled properly, within the
bounds that we, the people, have set.The HOUSE represents the
people. The HOUSE is charged with formulating the budget. The Senate approves
treaties and approves federal appointments. The Senate must concur with the
House on a budget, but the budget comes from the house. The President signs,
vetos or allows laws to pass without his signature. He is the Commander in
Chief of the Military. The Court sees that all play fair and that all stay
within the duties appointed to them.Instead of slandering each
other, why not discuss HOW the House can represent the will of the people? Why
not discuss HOW the Senate can best represent the will of each State? Why not
discuss HOW the President can properly enforce the laws passed by Congress?
J. Thompson,"The Senate can continue to block all legislation
passed by the House, but doing that means that they have grossly overstepped
their authority. They represent the interests of the states - to see that each
state is equally represented."====================So
if the Senate is to rubber stamp everything the House passes, why even have the
J Thompson and Mike Richards.Checks and balances are there for a
reason. Bottom line is that the democrats control the White House and the
Senate. Spin it all you want.
@J Thompson;How do you explain that no matter how REPUBLICANS try to
redistrict Matheson OUT of office, he consistently WINS the vote of the PEOPLE?
You mean hating everyone who's not male, rich and white isn't going to
Mike Richards got it right. Senators are elected to represent the state. House
members are elected to represent the people of each state. The President is
elected to enforce the laws passed by Congress and to represent the states
(collectively) to the world and to act as Commander in Chief.The
House of Representatives is controlled by conservative Republicans. That was
the will of the people. No spin can negate that fact. The PEOPLE all across
America chose conservatives to represent them in government. The House controls
the budget. It is their primary duty to represent the people when imposing
taxes on us and when regulating any activity which they are authorized to
regulate.The President cannot legislate without breaking the law. He
can influence legislation, but he can't write legislation. The
Senate can continue to block all legislation passed by the House, but doing that
means that they have grossly overstepped their authority. They represent the
interests of the states - to see that each state is equally represented.Power plays by the Senate or the President shows a total disregard for
the will of the people - who elected REPUBLICANS to represent them in the House.
Maybe Republicans should pander to special interest groups by promising them
money and power. Maybe they should live by the mantra, "If I say it enough,
voters will believe it." Maybe they should lie. Maybe they should cover up
their mistakes that get Americans killed. Maybe they should nominate someone
stylish and "cool" but with no real qualifications for office. Maybe
they should forget about passing budgets and taking care of the people's
business.Maybe they should be like Democrats.
The Republicans are rapidly "aging out" with a party based on old,
cranky, white guys. You can't win anymore by ignoring, or alienating,
Hispanics, Blacks, women, gays, lesbians, and the poor. They will get smeared
in a few more elections, and then go back to the drawing board and create a
party more grounded in reality, that works for more Americans.
Mike's pretty arrogant to assume that he speaks for all the PEOPLE of this
nation.Some of us don't buy his arguments and simply seek
sensible, moderate solutions instead of extremism.
Mike Richards: You can gerrymander house districts, but it's not possible
to gerrymander senate districts.
The interesting thing is that the PEOPLE chose Republicans to represent them.
The Senate represents the States. The President is the President of the STATES.
The PEOPLE are represented by the House and the PEOPLE chose Republicans to
represent them. Maybe it's time that the President and the Senate realized
that the PEOPLE want conservative government. Maybe it's time that the
President and the Senate yield their liberal ideas to the will of the people.
I think the rest of us are tired of being charactized as lazy, worthless do
nothings always with our hand out. When one couples that with the perceived
intolerance of others with differences of opinion then I for one understand how
they are losing a grip on reality.