U.S. officials counter reports on Benghazi attacks

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  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 5, 2012 3:49 p.m.


    Jake Tapper of ABC News doesn't seem to think it's such a wild claim that there is a cover-up. Read "The Benghazi Drip-Drip-Drip," published Nov 1, 2012.

    The claims about Woods and requests for help come from Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, Oct. 26, 2012, "CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say." Her story is based on sources who were on the ground in Benghazi.

    The seven-hour time window of the attacks is confirmed by a CIA timeline provided to the Washington Post and other news organizations, reported on by David Ignatius.

    Since it's impossible to prove a negative, I'll put the burden of proof on you to show that 1) there was a demonstration outside the embassy in Benghazi, and 2) it was about a video. You will not be able to produce evidence for either of these wild claims, because they didn't happen. In the process, perhaps you will convince yourself that Obama lied.

    But I won't count on it.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Nate, I am challenging the claims on Benghazi. If you can't tell which ones are the wild claims, well I don't know what to say. But the claims starting with there is a cover up all the way to this was a kidnapping plot by the president, to the president murdering these people. The claims that help was not allowed to respond. The claim Wood ignored orders, or was even ordered not to respond. The claim this was a seven hour long battle. The claim that this had nothing to do with the video. The claim that Obama lied. In fact just about every claim that the right and conspiracy theorists have made, Nate.

    And guess what, nobody, still, has presented one single shred of evidence to back up any of these claims. Remember, there is a huge difference between accusations and assumptions, and evidence.

    Did you want to present some evidence, Nate? Just remember, all I ask is be precise, and cite your sources.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    @mark "I have made this challenge now at least half a dozen times on these threads and have yet to have someone take me up on it."

    When you direct your challenge to those making "wild claims," don't be surprised that no one engages.

    Be specific about which claims you are challenging, and it will probably lead to a better discussion.

  • nhowden Endwell, NY
    Nov. 2, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    Ditto worf

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    Hillary taking responsibility for the commander? The commander can't tell the difference between a video, and a terrorist attack?

    Again! Obama takes responsibility for nothing. I'm surprised he hasn't come out with another executive order to stop an investigation.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    "Seeking truth is not advanced by repeating ONLY those facts conveneint to Obama"

    Counter, you are absolutely correct, but the truth is also not found in repeating only facts that make Obama look bad, regardless of context. It is also not found in people making wildly inflammatory accusations with absolutely no sense or evidence to back them.

    As far as the parents, while I deeply empathize with their terrible grief, there is no reason to think they would have any significant understanding, beyond what has been reported, of events in Benghazi. Using these parents to advance, or advocate, any position on Benghazi can be seen as nothing but sensationalism. To be clear, I think the parents have every right to speak their minds, but I also think it would be a disservice to an understanding of the situation to accept, at face value, what they say as evidence of any sort of impropriety on the administrations part.

    Remember, if in hindsight it can be shown that mistakes were made that is not an indication that there was malfeasance. Unfortunately mistakes happen. But tell you the truth, I have seen no evidence that there were even any mistakes made.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    I agree that in context; Obama's "optimal" comment was not as inflammatory as it sounds out of context. However, the context of Obama's "optimal" statement does not alter or change, in any way, the comments made by the mother and father of murdered personnel. She still said “My son is not very optimal - he is also very dead” regardless of the intent of Obama's original statement.

    I find it ironic that you state "Republicans are merely using this issue for political football before all the facts can be assembled and analyzed." Then you proceed to present only one set of facts, condemning Romney, while completely ignoring the larger picture that Romney honored the woman of your example's request, while ignoring (then trivializing them when caught ignoring them) TWO parents who severely criticized Obama over the same incident. So what exactly is the point of your arguments about the "context" of Obama's "optimal" statement besides diversion from the fact that you took quotes out of context? Aren't you merely playing political football by demanding context while failing to provide it yourself?

    Seeking truth is not advanced by repeating ONLY those facts conveneint to Obama

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    @ute phranc like the typical liberal did not waste any time playing the race card on you.

    Soooo predictable from those folks. In absence of facts in trying to defend the indefensible the one thing they resort to is Race. Phranc lost all credibility with that remark.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Okay, I'll extend my challenge again:

    For all of you making these wild claims, please provide evidence. My only requirement is that you are precise, and you cite sources.

    I have made this challenge now at least half a dozen times on these threads and have yet to have someone take me up on it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    The liberal spinning machine is in high gear.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:40 p.m.


    Context matters.

    Stewart told the president, in regard to the administration's performance in the aftermath of the attacks, that "I would say and even you would admit it was not the optimal response - at least to the American people as far as all of us being on the same page."

    "Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal," the president responded. "And we are going to fix it, all of it."

    Condoleeza Rice defended the Obama Administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. “When things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what is really going on on the ground,”

    Condi continued: “So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.”

    Nov. 2, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    full lying mode? prove it. Oh that right you can't because despite Mohkats claim there is no evidence. to support your conspiracy theory. I think spring street is right. I think the whole thing not just the press conferences was filmed on that same sound stage, I don't know if you noticed that one terrorist looked a little to much like Charlie Sheen to me.
    Once again referring to President Obama as "boy" is in very poor taste given that words very racist history.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    You mentioned that Romney was asked to stop referring to a woman’s son on the campaign stump because she didn’t want his death politicized (even though his comments were complimentary in tone) – and he did

    But you forgot to also mention that the mother of another American killed during the terrorist raid blasted Obama’s statement that Benghazi was not very “optimal” by responding “My son is not very optimal - he is also very dead.”
    A man whose son died in Benghazi described officials who refused to send help (Obama) as “murderers of my son.”
    One can prove the earth is flat if facts are chosen selectively enough
    It is fascinating how many of the standard progressive on this site think that playing Ostrich will somehow save Obama from his own amorality. Simply because facts are ignored on MSNBC does not mean that they do not exist. In a world of New Media; traditional left-wing media brainwashing tactics have imploded; which I am sure is frustrating to the politically correct flat earth society – but it is very liberating to everyone else

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Have you heard Romney talk about it since? Then why are you talking about it? I can guess. You are trying to deflect attention from the Benghazi debacle. Why was it ok for Obama to use the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan against Mccain in 08? He did exactly what you are whining about. The fact is that this whole situation was handled poorly and it does not look good on the Administration. That is why people are demanding a gag order. Sure there are political implications on this incident. Obama is avoiding discussing this whole thing because of politics. He is waiting until after the election. Are you outraged that he is being political?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    Do they really expect us to believe this. Look at all the evidence that has surfaced so far. Do you trust this Government? This reminds me of the story where the wife catches the husband in an act of infidelity. He tries to convince her it is not what she thinks. He finally says to her are you going to believe me or your lying eyes.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    There was no order to stand down. There is no cover-up. Fox News is lying to you. Stop believing them.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    You know what I think those on the far right got this one right. I think this is all a grand conspiracy. That whole rose garden press conference and the two the following day where filmed on the same sound stage as the moon landing and the part of Obama was played by elvis.

    Nov. 2, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    no smoke screen just the same false claims by you with no proof to support them.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Its got to be either the video, George Bush, or Hillary Clinton. Obama would have done as the British, and got our boys out, had he been informed of the situation.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    barry groupies:
    the truth will come out and your boy and his thugs will be held to account. evidence? how much do we need when they are in a full lying mode. four more days and hopefully he'll step out before january....hope spring eternal.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Re: spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    "and the wild conspiracies roll on. Show us the evidence people."

    Based on this story line why the smoke screen the Obama Administration put out regarding an anti-Muslim video? This has the same smell as the Operation Fast and Furious cover up attempt .... that failed.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:09 a.m.


    At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet,” the spokesman said.

    ....The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    and the wild conspiracies roll on. Show us the evidence people.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    History is written by the victors. The WH said the attack was a spontaneous demonstration in protest to the video - no facts to support this. The attack lasted 7 hours - no time to help those being attacked? Two weeks later Ambassador Susan Rice still hadn't received the party line. Jay Carney's fabulists account of "lots of emails," "we didn't know" and that no requests for security were received before hand all speak to a not so clever re-writing of history.

  • MC Ute Midvale, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    @BYUalum, You are right on, I too lived through the Watergate scandal and agree, the press is dead. The spin coming out on this scandel is rediculous.

    This is the part of the story that blows me away, "The intelligence officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about the assault, about a half dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans. But when the Libyans failed to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead with the rescue attempt". First of all why is the CIA protecting the embassy, it should be the Military and why are we asking the Libyans for Weapons? The USA is the greatest Nation on earth with the best Military on earth (at least it was 4 years ago) so why are we protecting our Embassy with small handguns in the part of Libya know for Alcaida Training Camps and also known as the most dangerous part of Libya there is, oh that is right I forgot Alcaida died with Bin Landen, silly me.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    I lived through the Watergate scandal. One ambitious reporter with a "deep throat" connections inside the Nixon administration delivered the goods on that coverup. The Benzhazi, Libya disaster with a dead ambassador and 3 Americans is proving to be a far greater coverup for the current administration than Watergate ever was during Nixon's term. There is so much hard evidence that all the higher up "knew" and did nothing to send support to save these men's lives. Yet, the administration gets away with blaming the cause being a video and "ongoing investigation!"

    During Watergate, it was constant news coverage. Now it seems it is constant news coverup. Only on talk radio and FOX network can you find any reporting of investigating highlights! It is very disappointing to not have this Benghazi coverup exposed for what it is. Where is the news media and why aren't they all over this story? It should be the greatest story of the election.

    We need new leadership in this country! Vote wisely November 6 for proven leadership and a new honest, principled path for our country!

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    The counter-terrorism force at Sigonella wanted to go in, but were told to stand down. The State Department -- which had responsibility to request military support -- did not make that request. The ultimate decision on whether to send forces into Libya would need to be made by the president.

    He voted "present."

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Apparently US bribe money is still vigorously flowing in Iraq. I hope it has stopped in Lybia (but I doubt it).

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    How long does it take for criminal investigations to be completed within the U.S.?

    Republicans are merely using this issue for politiical football before all the facts can be assembled and analyzed.

    The mother of a U.S. Navy SEAL veteran killed in last month's Libya consulate attack has asked GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to stop using her son's name in his political speeches.

    Barbara Doherty stated "I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama," Doherty told Boston news station WHDH-TV in response to the candidate sharing at a family farm speech in Iowa about the time he met former her son a number of years ago.