Matheson, a wasted vote

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  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    @ lost in DC: Yes.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Dem Dave,
    political balance is not a MA, IL, CA, NY, CT, WA, OR, etc value.

    If my water has too much iron in it, you would have me add arsenic or strychnine to it in order to balance the iron?

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    @ Demo Dave

    "Utah values" is a phrase on the home page of Matheson's web site, "Jim Matheson is a sixth-generation Utahn. His Utah roots and Utah values guide his daily commitment to solve problems and help people."

    I guess you have to ask him what he means by that.

    To quote you, "It sounds elitist and self-aggrandizing." Did you intend to use that description on Matheson? Whether you did or didn't, I agree with your word choice.

    Still voting for him Demo Dave?

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    I get really weary of the notion that without Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck there would be no conservative thinkers. They are not the creators of conservatism. They are the voice of conservatism.

    Not to worry liberals. There are many voices for your views too.
    Colbert report and many others at Comedy Central
    Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews at MSNBC
    Bill Maher at HBO

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

    The conservatives only get aired on one network and are voiced primarily by 3 people. It seems that, by percent of population, they are under represented in the media.

    Liberals have no need to fear these shows. If you don't like them, you can turn them off or switch to any number of shows which support your views. It is called freedom and it is the same freedom others have to listen to what they choose.

  • Noodlekaboodle Millcreek, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    @Demo Dave
    Utah Values=Mormon Values.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    Dear Mr. Thorpe,

    Please don't use the term "Utah Values." What does that mean anyway? It sounds elitist and self-aggrandizing.

    We need Jim Matheson because he brings a little bit of balance to a system that has lost its equilibrium, but mostly because it ticks off the Republican power structure. Apparently, political balance is not a Utah value.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    statesmen, constitutionalists, public servants

    7 repubs and 2 dems? not hardly

    LDS Lib,
    as long as George Soros controls the minds on the left...(and they don't even realize it)
    BTW, more people identify themselves as conservative than liberal. Gallup January 2012 40% conservative, 21% liberal.

    Calm down, don't give yourself a stroke

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    To Rifleman: I would say the entire country has moved in more libertarian direction on social issues. I don't base my vote on social issues because ultimately the law in those areas will reflect the will of society.

    George W Bush was president for eight years, the Republicans controlled both houses of congress for a majority of that time, and throughout the whole period the Supreme Court consisted of of 7 Republicans and 2 Democrats. At the end of it all, abortion was still legal and several states had approved gay marriage.

    It is on economic issues that the Republicans have gone far to the right. Presidents like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford accepted high taxes on the rich, supported unions, supported some regulations on business, and thought some social programs were worth it, even though they usually went for lower funding than Democrats. When I say I'm an Eisenhower Republican, that's what I mean. No one in today's Republican party supports any of those things.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Re: "Democrats are in about the same ideological place they were in during the seventies."

    Yeah, and we sure can't wear that as a badge of honor.

    Think back to the seventies [if you can -- at my age, I remember them better than I do what I had for breakfast this morning]. They started out with a lot of radicalism, anti-war protests, and the abandonment of Vietnam and Cambodia. There were race riots and Southern Democrats were still resisting desegregation. Everything, from draft cards to police cars to bras, was burning. Then, the seventies ended with Jimmy Carter, arguably the worst US president and ex-president ever.

    There's darn little for a Democrat to be proud of in the seventies. Suggesting today's party is in the same place as it was in the seventies doesn't recommend us very highly.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    So long as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck control the minds of the Right --

    Republicans will continue their demise intot the uber-far-right-wing abyss,
    dragging the moderate/centrist RINOs with them.

    Is it any wonder 38% of Americans have left the GOP completely and are now Independant voters?

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Grundle: in the last two votes for House Leadership, Matheson did NOT vote along with his party for Nanci Pelosi. Since that fatal flaw is gone, I guess he can count on your vote.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    In my lifetime, especially in the Senate, the Democrats have moved way far to the left. Harry Reid used to be considered a "conservative Democrat" in the years prior to his becoming a Senate Leader. Now he's so far left, he's scary. That proves one thing to me. That is George Soros runs the show.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    If Jim Matheson and his party are socialists what does that make Mia Love and her party?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    It seems that some Democrats have some memory problems. JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

    Obama thinks we can't buy aspirin without his help. He thinks that we can't go to school without his help. He thinks that we can't build our own homes and our own businesses without his help.

    Matheson parrots everything that Obama preaches.

    The Democrats have totally lost sight of what it means to be a free and responsible American.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    I generally disagree with the author of this editorial. Every vote should be counted and if Matheson wins, then his record, voting patterns, and world view will rightly represent our district.

    Except for his vote for house leadership, I would be pleased with that.

    His vote for house leadership is his fatal flaw and I will be supporting Mia Love for that reason and that reason alone.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Re: isrred South Jordan, UT
    "12 years in the House vs 36 years in the Senate?"

    Yes, I fully realize the "time" difference. If the tables were turned however the Democrats would be referencing the "term" and not the "time". You don't think politicians play that game? I was curious to see who would be the first to raise an objection to my observation :)

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    No vote is wasted.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    "Even worse, it becomes more likely that to gain some hearing with his party he will have to sacrifice Utah values as a compromise."

    Yeah, the national Democratic party is dumping millions and millions of dollars into this race (as are the national Republicans on the side of Love) just so that they can ignore Matheson once he gets re-elected? Yeah, that doesn't make much sense.

    "By-the-way, the Democrats that complain about Hatch having served 6 terms in the Senate are perfectly comfortable voting for Matheson .... who has served 6 terms in the House."

    Come on now, you're being disingenuous. 12 years in the House vs 36 years in the Senate? You think those are comparable? The median age in the state of Utah is 29, that means that the vast MAJORITY of the residents of this state weren't even born when Orrin Hatch first took office.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    Re: Makid Kearns, UT
    "The Republicans have moved further to the right in the last 4 years than the Democrats have moved to the left in the last 100 years."

    Those of us old enough to know realize that conservative republicans have shifted left, and would make yesteryear's liberals blush. Our current views on traditional marriage are a classic example.

    By-the-way, the Democrats that complain about Hatch having served 6 terms in the Senate are perfectly comfortable voting for Matheson .... who has served 6 terms in the House.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 6:12 a.m.

    The letter is actually incorrect, imagine that.

    The Republicans have moved further to the right in the last 4 years than the Democrats have moved to the left in the last 100 years.

    The current Republican party is so right that they are now against ideas that they were pushing 5 years ago. They say those ideas are socialist in nature.

    To see just how far to the right the current Republican party has gone, Reagan, Bush I, Ford, Nixon and even Bush II would all be considered either a straight out Democrat or a RINO at best.

    They didn't move to the left, the party moved to the far right. That move to the far right is what makes the Democrats seem like they are far left. What is funny is that even the Democrats moved to the right, just not as fast as the Republicans which increased the gap between them.

    Remember, it was Republicans who originally pushed for the current Health Care law, TARP, Sequestering and raising military spending at the same time they objected to paying for 2 wars and Medicare Part D.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:32 a.m.

    Democrats are in about the same ideological place they were in during the seventies. The Republicans have moved so far to the right that the Democrats seem left in comparison, but that is not the case.

    Let me give you just one example: When Gerald Ford appointed John Paul Stevens to the high court he was considered a mainstream moderate Republican. When he left the court, he was its most liberal member. Yet his politics never changed, what happened is that the court and the society around him moved far to the right, leaving a former moderate conservative looking liberal.