Why 'stand down' order?

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  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    @mike richards
    It makes me physically sick that people show a complete lack of respect for the people that where killed all for the chance to take another shot at the president. There is no evidence to support the claim you are making and your conspiracy theories do nothing other then further traumatize the families of the victims.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:25 p.m.


    Look at the quote: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help...."

    We can infer from this that the help was denied by someone outside the CIA.

    Now look at your other quote about Doherty being sent from Tripoli. What's your point? When he and Woods called for more support, they were denied. There was a special counter-terrorism force at Sigonella, Italy, that could have been in Benghazi in two hours. (They were about the same distance away as Tripoli was.) They were told to stand down.

    By whom? Who gave that order? Either that person disobeyed a "very clear directive" from the president, or the directive itself is a fiction.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    To "mark" so lets get this straight. Whitnesses who were on the ground in Benghazi told reporters that they requested backup, and were denied any help. You don't believe the people who were in the middle of the fight, but have chosen to believe the CIA spoksperson?

    To make this perfectly clear, you choose to believe a spoksperson over the eyewitnesses.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    Nate, "However, when Woods and Doherty requested military support, it was not sent to them."

    CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down.
    "We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi," she said. "Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades"

    Doherty was part of a team sent in for support.

    "Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff"

    Both quotes are from FOX news.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Okay, Mike and Boxerdog, then I will ask again: what is your proof? What is your evidence? And be exact, cite sources. You have serious claims: integrity demands you provide clear proof to back those claims. And don't be providing stuff out of context, or half truths. You are charging this president with allowing people to die for political gain, Mike, you need to have strong evidence for a claim like that. Lets see it.

    And if you cannot provide clear, unmistakable evidence, Mike, then we will know that it is you that is using the deaths of four Americans for political gain. Be careful.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Precisely what would George Bush, John McCain or Mitt Romney have done to prevent it from happening?
    I'll tell you: They would have done just what Obama did, nothing.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    Obama said in an interview, "The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives -- Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to."

    However, when Woods and Doherty requested military support, it was not sent to them.

    So it's one of two things --

    Someone received a "very clear directive" from the president, and did not obey it, and lives were lost, and the president is holding no one accountable. This is a failure in leadership.

    Or, the president didn't give the order and is now lying to the American people.

    Which is it?

  • boxerdog915 Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    @ KJB1

    “Oh, please. The only people even pretending that this is a "controversy" are Fox News and right-wing posters on comment boards like this one. Desperation is in the air...”

    Hate to burst your bubble but other networks as well are talking about it and it's only getting bigger. Google it….

    It’s pretty sad that people who support Obama ignore the facts, flat out say they don’t exist even when it’s proven to them, to the point they defend him even in deaths that could have been avoided. What is it about him thank makes them turn a blind eye, even when he is in the wrong and there is proof he was? A liar is a liar, no matter what position they are voted in to and that goes for all politicians.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    Who are we to question Valerie Jarrett's decision?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    What is the price of four lives? What is the price of the more than thirty lives who were abandoned by the United States Government when assistance was requested - and denied.

    It makes me physically sick to think that anyone would excuse anyone in Government for abandoning United States citizens who were under attack.

    It makes me physically sick to think that anyone in Government would try to tell us that a "movie" was to blame when they KNEW that terrorists had attacked our embassy.

    The truth is coming out and there is nothing that the government can do to stop that truth from coming out. No matter what lies they continue to tell us, we will know the truth. We will know that four Americans were "sacrificed" for political gain.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    For those of you trying to better understand why the lies and deceit surrounding the murder of our ambassador are not being reported, just take a look at the Onion. They ran an article titled "Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle On Obama's Double-Homicide" It is pure satire, and was written in 2009. It speaks volumes about the love affair the media has with Obama.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 30, 2012 2:13 p.m.


    I hope you're as outraged as Jason Chaffetz as you are with me. I'm just some schlub on a comment board; he's the one who bragged about cutting funding for security.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    The answer to your questions is very simple. There is no credible proof that what you say actually happened.

    Like your letter Fox News simply said that they had learned ...and nothing about who, where and how they learned the information. Who was the teacher?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    FDR 12/7/41

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Where was the right's skepticism when their President demanded that we invade Iraq over imaginary WMDs?

    Had they reacted with skepticism and demanded actual evidence to be provided, thousands of folks dead or maimed would be alive and well and TRILLIONS of dollars would have been saved.

    I have learned that the right is only skeptical of the government when a Democrat is in the White House. But when it's a repub, they drink the kool-aid 24/7 resulting in enormous debt and death.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    @ the self proclaimed alleged "Eisenhower Republican" - the point is not so much the security breakdown but the lies about the nature of the attack. The point is that Hillary and Obama used the arrival of Ambassador Stevens casket as a photo op and a stage to spread more propaganda about their silly little offensive video.
    Nothing to see here folks...just keep moving and drinking the koolaid

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    Remember when 241 American servicemen were killed in their barracks in Beirut? Remember how the right-wing went crazy blaming Reagan for the lack of security? Yeah, me neither.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    Okay, rifleman, so did you have any actual evidence that any of the claims made were true?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    thanks for proving my point that the only thing you can fall back on is the tired old "Fox News" foil.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    Re: George Bronx, NY
    "Please show is actual evidence that any of your claims are true."

    When Kyle Clark, a reporter with 9News in Denver, asked the president about the requests for help and whether or not it was fair to make Americans wait for answers on Benghazi until after the election he refused to answer. If this had been Bush who'd screwed up protection for our Ambassador to Libya the liberals wouldn't be acting nearly so deaf and blind.

    This is all going to bit Obama on Nov. 6th. and it doesn't have a happy ending for the liberals.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    You know, whatever, you are 100% correct. It is the most surreal thing to watch the conservative talking heads trying to make some kind of, any kind of, scandal out of this thing. Even to make the accusation that the president of the United States, as well as his advisors, as well as the joint chiefs, and the secretary of defense, secretary of state, and CIA chief, sat around and just allowed Americans to be killed. These crazed talking heads on FOX and talk radio are saying President Obama specifically wanted to see these people die. But why? And not a single person that was actually in the room has come forward with this claim. But a grieving father, that has absolutely no way to know what actually happened on the tragic night his son died, he carries the banner of truth.

    And the breathless republican lap dogs eat this stuff up.

    Oh they so much want - need - for Obama to be the bad guy.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    apparently the letter writer has swallowed whole every conspiracy feed to them without question. Please show is actual evidence that any of your claims are true.

  • kathyn Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    This is a shameful episode and the buck stops with Pres. Obama. When libs can't come up with good excuses, they always blame "Faux" News. Talk about a red herring! This issue is important because it goes right to the character (or lack of) of our current president. He was so busy being a celebrity that he didn't have time to worry about the truth. He has been given a pass throughout his administration because the MSM adores him so much that they can't bear to tarnish his image. To me, our president is a classic narcissist. He and his wife have shown total disregard for Americans. While most of us are really strugglling financially, he and Michelle continue to golf and take lavish vacations at our expense. Much was made of the cost of a blouse that Ann Romney wore, while nothing was said about Michelle's dress which was thousands more. It's just so hypocritical. Benghazi-gate is just another reason not to vote for Obama. It's his lack of character and willilngness to do whatever for political expediency.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    @ lost in DC

    Boy you right wing faux news automatons sure have it all figured out... I'm sure the Obama administration sat there and just watched as the attack happened, denying any and all help because they're a bunch of left wing peaceniks who don't have the guts to step up to all the threats to this country like the repubs, who proved exactly what they were made of on THE REAL 9/11... Acting like you're all privy to some deep dark government conspiracy. Pathetic really.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    How much of this story is actually true? How much of it is coming from very questionable sources such as Fox, Rush, Sean, Glenn and others?

    The truth is that no one really knows yet.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    now guys, back off on KJB1. After all, BO is the messiah of the left and is above reproach. NOTHING he does or is involved with is ever wrong, and Fox is totally evil because they are filling the role of responsible journalists while the lamestream media munches kibbles in BO's lap.

    I see nothing from any of the other usual leftist posters here - I guess they realize they cannot defend BO on this one. KJB1's only resort is the usual "Fox hates BO" foil, which is almost as tired and lame as the overused race card.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    As my repub friends like to say, LETS TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES!

    Why is Mr. Romney running away from the economy talk? Why isn't he explaining how his much maligned tax plan will actually work? Could it be that *gasp* it just isn't possible? Why is Mr. Romney running away about his increasing of defense spending talk, which would add $2 trillion to our deficit over 10 years?

    Why is he running away from his talking points from just a few months ago to now agree with President Obama on nearly everything when it comes to foreign policy?

    If this whole embassy issue was truly controversial why didn't Mr. Romney bring it up in the last debate? Methinks that even he knew that it wasn't worth discussing (and we know how Romney will go to any length to make an attack. Even attacking Big Bird)!

    So again, repubs, lets get back to the real issues, shall we? I get the feeling you folks have already thrown in the towel for this election and are already back to your nutcake ways with wild accusations about birth certificates and embassy controversies.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    Almost every part of Charles Woods story is in dispute and just because you listen to Faux News or Glenn Beck doesn't mean that any of you know anything about what went on either.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:04 a.m.


    Your statement says volumes about your world view.

    Of course this matters.

    Of course this is an issue.

    Wake up and see this for what it is.

    Our military puts their lives on the line. They need to know that they have their leadership watching their back.

    Before any of you go on with the "What about Bush" tripe, do not assume that criticism of this administration is an automatic approval of the previous administration. This is not a "we versus them" issue.

    This is a dereliction of duty issue.

    I want to know that when my son is under fire and calling for back-up, that my commander-in-chief will not ignore his need!

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Re: KJB1 Eugene, OR
    "Oh, please. The only people even pretending that this is a "controversy" are Fox News and right-wing posters ...."

    Would your comment also include the father of the former Navy Seal, Tyrone Woods, who was killed? The questions are being asked and Obama is refusing to answer them.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    @KJB1- you're right. There's nothing controversial whatsoever about the President, Secretary of State, and UN Ambassador flat out lying to the American people and the world. Nothing controversial at all about a dead US Ambassador whose dead body was dragged through the streets and videotaped/ photographed. Nothing controversial at all about 3 dead Navy Seals. But those comments Richard Murdock made in Indiana- now that's a real controversy! Why that man believes in the dignity of all human life- he's a pariah! He should be ran out of the political world on a rail. What a sad state of affairs.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    There are so many people who just blindly follow this President, for a variety of reasons, and they can't stand the thought that he might do something terrible. The mainstream press is full of such people. They won't ask the hard questions because they are afraid they might find some ugly truths which will force them re-examine their beliefs about him.

    My guess is that if the issue is forced out, the press will then say what he did was not so bad. That is what they did for President Clinton.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 30, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    Oh, please. The only people even pretending that this is a "controversy" are Fox News and right-wing posters on comment boards like this one. Desperation is in the air...

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    The media is turning a deaf ear to this story because if it is true Obama knew the truth and lied to Americans and fed us that anti-Muslim video red herring story. It would appear that Obama tried to throw the CIA under the bus as part of a cover up and they leaked this story to get even with him.

    So why did former Navy Seal Tyrone Woods light up an enemy position with his laser? It doesn't make sense that he'd make himself a target if he didn't expect an incoming missile to take the enemy out.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 6:31 a.m.

    I agree that the (non) response to the attack on the consulate in Benghazi was a travesty and I agree with the father of Tyrone Woods- this was American soil and how would Americans feel if this had happened in LA or NY and their was no response from the Commander in Chief.
    To me though, the biggest scandal is that our President went on the David Letterman show and hemmed and hawed about some stupid, irrelevant video causing the "spontaneous" attack. He also lied to the World about it at the UN and had the temerity to say the attack was " a natural response" to an offensive video.
    And all of you people who were uneasy about Gitmo need to know that the producer of that video is currently in jail with no hearing set until after the election. Scary times indeed.