Time for a change, U.S. needs leaders who have values

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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    However, while on that topic, how did you feel when your beloved Obama kept the military in Iraq and Afghanistan while a senator then as President.


    Earth to Redshirt --

    Pres. Obama DID pull troops out of Iraq.
    Osama Bin Laden is dead,
    and troops will be out of Afgahistan soon.

    Where have you been?
    and why do you keep defending Bush's mistakes?

  • dave Park City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    "Was not everything in the history of this country that was truly worthwhile and affordable, as well as accepted in the marketplace, developed or invented in the private sector?"

    Nothing could be further from the truth:

    -Water Reclamation
    -Water/Air purification
    -climate monitoring
    -Global positioning systems
    -heart pump
    -Lasik eye surgery
    -The cordless drill
    -Smoke detectors
    -HEPA filtering

    As an intellectually honest person you should eschew the use of all of these items. Any use will invalidate you conservative credentials.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 10:28 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" we have not declared war in decades. We have military actions going on, but war was never declared.

    However, while on that topic, how did you feel when your beloved Obama kept the military in Iraq and Afghanistan while a senator then as President. Does that make you feel violated? Why do you want to continue to keep a liberal President that has the same policies as Bush, only bigger.

  • ronnie sandy, utah
    Oct. 29, 2012 10:19 p.m.

    Why talk about small potatoes. How about the trillion dollar plus investment we put into Iraq. What was our benefit. Since we did not go over there to defend our country, we must have been investing in something but what? And who stood up on principle and said it was the wrong thing to do when it was not very popular to say such.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    Yes, but having some sense of how to run the economy would be even better. That's something our president has failed at.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    No Mr. Childs, you don't want someone with 'values'. You want someone who agrees with you.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    Frank Childs, your solution wont work, has never worked and cant work. Because there are no men of integrity, trust and accountability.

    I too ask that you open your eyes, to see the reality that all men are created equal with the same drives, wants and hopes.

    See the reality that each and every individual person is at the center of his own universe and world.

    See the reality that every thing that person does is driven by the drive to survive implanted into his makeup by whatever force that gave him life.

    Then be pleasantly surprised rather than violated when you see the things men do.

    Build your world of sterner stuff than the fairy tale notions of those who would put you down.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Only Republicans have values. That what they keep telling me.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    "Follow the money"

    Yes Mike, Follow the money and you will find corruption at all levels of both parties.

    It IS the money that corrupts.

    I am for getting the money out. That includes corporate, lobby, union.

    And lastly, the superpac money that was unleashed by the citizens united ruling.

    I am for a constitutional amendment that limits contributions to our politicians.

    ARE YOU?

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    RE Frank and the statement: "principle" is doing whatever it will take for him to get what he wants, and to heck with truth, honor (and anyone else). Another great example of a typical liberal swipe. Just throw out something general that seeks to demean and discredit rather deal with substantive issues. There never seems to be a firm base in reality, only mindless rhetoric. Bearing false witness is alive and well in Liberalville.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    Soros money buys favors from the Left. The Koch Brothers money buys favors from the right.

    All the big money corrupts. The problem is that people only complain about the money used to buy the other side.

    Unless you are against both, then you are simply another partisan.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    To mike Richards: The 2 billion dollar loan to George Soros you keep talking about was a loan made by the U.S. Export/Inport Bank to the Brazilian state oil company to be used to purchase U.S. made oil drilling equipment. The president has no direct control over the individual loans made by the bank, and the loans increased U.S. manufucturing and employment.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    A particularly cogent and relevant Wikipedia definition of integrity states in part: "...integrity is the inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from qualities such as honesty and consistency of character. As such, one may judge that others "have integrity" to the extent that they act according to the values, beliefs and principles they claim to hold."

    In my opinion, the many changes that Mitt Romney displays, depending on the audience he is talking to while completely contradicting himself on a regular basis, shows a distinct lack of integrity. I can't imagine behaving in such a way just to become president. Mr. Romney can't be depended on to say what he means or do what he says. He will say anything and do almost anything to be elected but without obvious, demonstrated conviction. However, his lack of integrity will catch up with him; his debt to those who bought him will be repaid. The payback would start the day he became president. The debt would be repaid on our backs. We, the people, would ultimately pay the price for his lack of truthfulness and integrity.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    "...I feel violated every time I hear about the many scandals using our taxpayer dollars to fund private enterprises...".

    I agree.

    The no bid governments contracts given, by bush/cheney, to defense contractors was scandalous.

    Let's go back to that era by electing repubs.


    Picking winners and losers is a good thing when repubs do the picking.

    Thank you.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    I feel violated everytime Republicans cut taxes, and start OFFENSIVE, un-funded wars on credit from China for oil!

    BTW - If you are upset at crooked Businesses taking Government money and running [failing],
    blame the COMPANIES - not those who tried to help them out in the first place.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    It's sad, really. I know John Welch; he's a friend of mine. His letter was a call for civility, for bi-partisan solutions to problems, for a recognition that people in both parties are honorable and have good ideas that might help. But his letter gets turned into more partisan carping. How unfortunate.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    nice to see so many claim that morals and values= capitalism, such a Christian nation.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Oct. 29, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Assuming Blue can even spit out factual numbers, he and his fellow leftists have Bain on the Brain. Lets pretend Bain "failed" in 22% of its investments, what does that mean? They converted, or closed, or liquidated 22% of the companies they invested in? Were these inefficient, under capitalized, and underwater in debt companies? Who knows? Bain is a company that makes profits, thats what they do. If they didn't they would cease to exist! Apparently they have far more business successes then failures. Can't say that about our government! Blue things 8% failure in on single minute sector of the government investment, is a defendable record for the BHO administration. I say your nose is way to brown. This was a great letter, and it would be nice to have officials who didn't do so much pandering vote buying.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2012 9:33 a.m.


    How I wish that the facts were "thoroughly debunked", as you stated in your post. Some people seem to think that because they say something isn't so, that they have somehow "debunked" a fact.

    The CBO and other GOVERNMENT sources gave us the costs involved with G.M.

    The CBO and other sources warned Obama about Solyndra.

    There are numerous sources that document the $2 billion "loaned" to George Soros and numerous sources that describe his financial involvement with Obama's campaign.

    Obama has stonewalled all investigations that are trying to find the sources of campaign donations.

    Instead of telling us that you've "debunked" something, why not spend that time and do a little research?

    There are honest politicians. Obama is not a member of that group.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    Frank, if you knew what kind of subsidies non renewable energy companies get, or farmers get, you'd explode. Or maybe not, because we've been fine with that for years. Maybe it is about 'values'. That's why I'm voting for President Obama.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    No doubt, we certainly do need leaders with values.

    And we have them. Greed. Dishonesty. Outright lies. Flipping and flopping. Claiming that a child produced by rape is God's will. Seeking to drill, mine, or otherwise pillage our planet.

    What we need are not more GOP values.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    To date 8% of the investments in "green" energy made by the Department of Energy have failed.

    Compare that to the 22% of investments in business by Bain Capital that have failed.

    I'm sure Bain figures being successful 78% of the time a pretty good record, so why not celebrate the success of 92% of DOE investments in green energy?

    And Mike Richards, pretty much all of what you describe in your message has been thoroughly debunked.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    $80 billion to G.M., between the government "purchase" and the tax credits. Who benefited? The unions.

    $500 million to Solyndra just before they fired their 1,200 workers and went bankrupt. Who benefited? Donors to Obama's 2008 campaign.

    $2 billion in a guaranteed "loan" to George Soros to drill for oil off the coast of Brazil. Who benefited? Obama's largest campaign donor.

    Follow the money.

    Obama has taken $5 TRILLION out of the public treasury. Count the dollars that went into the pockets of those who got him elected.

    Ask him to account for MOST of the money "donated" to his campaign and he'll say that money is from the "little" $2 and $5 donations that doesn't have to be reported.

    Do the math. He's raised a billion dollars. Does he think that we're so foolish to believe that every man, every woman and every child in America donated $3 to his campaign.

    Logic tells us that we've been lied to, over and over and over.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    "Was not everything in the history of this country that was truly worthwhile and affordable, as well as accepted in the marketplace, developed or invented in the private sector?"

    haha, um, no.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    Frank, you can't claim your eyes just opened 4 years ago to see all the evil of the universe ooze from the darkness. I am not buying your vent. This Solyndra flack has become a right wing talking point that at best be characterized as a distortion. Virtually every technical advance in 70 years has been subsidized by you and I and other hard working citizens. The act you committed as you typed your letter to send to the DN is a spawn of government subsidy. The healthcare you get through your employer comes partly from people like me. It's time to get over it because we are in this together and your emity is really smoke.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 5:38 a.m.

    "I feel violated every time I hear about the many scandals using our taxpayer dollars to fund private enterprises."

    Open your eyes, Frank. Taxpayer dollars have been used to fund private enterprise for a long time. Solyndra is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the funding provided to the pharmaceutical companies in the form of Medicare Part D, or to the myriad companies that feed at the trough of the military-industrial complex, or the agri-businesses that profit from farm subsidies, or the oil and gas industry, which enjoys disproportionate subsidies and tax advantages, or the personal loopholes and deductions available to the wealthy.

    Republicans seem blind to the hyprocisy by which they clamor for privatization of certain government programs they deem "socialistic," while supporting massive government funding of private enterprise for those industries that have bought their fealty through lobbying and campaign donations. "Using our taxpayer dollars to fund private enterprises" is exactly what the Koch brothers and their ilk are doing, but in the minds of Republicans, that's OK.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 5:30 a.m.

    "So please let's all of us vote for those candidates at every level who exhibit at least some form of integrity, trust and accountability." That's one of the big reasons I refused to vote for Romney. His only "principle" is doing whatever it will take for him to get what he wants, and to heck with truth, honor (and anyone else). That is NOT what this country needs.