Bipartisan legislature creates the change most everyone wants

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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    My bet is that Nate is a Democrat and he's blaming Republicans for not being bi-partisan. Let's look that the current record. We have a House of Representatives that have passed several budgets over the last 2 years. We have a Senate, run by a Democrat that does not even consider them. How bi-partisan is that? We also have a President that governs by executive order, and by the way, hasn't proposed a new federal budget in three years. How bi-partisan is that. The Dems version of bi-partisanship is to steamroll the Republicans. They want their own way and if they can't have it, they consider nothing. How bi-partisan was the passing of Obamacare? Would some Republican input into that bad piece of legislation moderated it and made it actually acceptable to the American people? Most likely.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    Get rid of the Tea party and it may work.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    @lost DC
    how about how" intolerant many can be?" is it really that difficult to let go of your biases?

  • George Bronx, NY
    Oct. 27, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Closer but to bad you fail to see the hate in your own eye

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 6:46 a.m.


    thanks maverick and old man, for showing how hateful and intolerant many on the left can be.


  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 12:52 a.m.

    How is asking for Mia Love to provide her ideas, plans, etc on her website intolerant or hateful?

    Jim Matheson does. Why shouldn't Mia?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    @lost in Dc
    evidence of your over generalization. "Thanks for once again showing the intolerance and hatred of the left." you seem to forget everyone can see your previous posts. I did not claim that the two posters you went after did not make derogatory comments, I was making the point that this type of behavior has nothing to do with political affiliation but rather the lack of a valid argument and that it is not isolated to only the "left" or for that matter the "right."

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    "ECR, old man, I think we all agree on this one." is hateful? really!?? Please explain how.

    the thread started with people, old man included, saying we need to try to work together more. I agreed. That is hateful?

    then maverick goes off on Mia Love, who was not even a topic of the conversation and old man joins in on ALL repubs. By pointing out their intolerance I'm overgeneralizing?

    Please tell me where in this thread I am blaming the left for anything. Who is over generalizing now?

    Thanks for adding additional evidence to the intolerance and hate fo the left.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    Old Man-

    Fluff like "hope and change"? Well the GOP's saw that it was successful for Obama in '08, so why not try it?

    Besides, all substance is instantly attacked, and since the campaigns are all about the negatives of the other candidate, there is not point in giving the opponent ammo.

    What do you think of the fluff statement of Matheson, "eliminate wasteful government spending"? He has been singing that campaign slogan for many elections. I have yet to hear of anything he thinks is wasteful.

    So yeah, they are pretty much all full of fluff. Until we, as voters, demand and vote for real ideas, all we will get is fluff.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    @lost in dc

    try putting the over generalizations on hold and reading redshirts (and your own for that matter) comment before you blame the "left" hatred is not a left or right issue its an issue of those that do not have a valid argument to make making over generalizations.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Old man, maverick,
    I thought this was one you'd play nice on. Thanks for once again showing the intolerance and hatred of the left.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    This letter states good reasons to vote for replacing the overwhelming majority held by Republicans in the Utah State Legislature.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    To "Nathan Shapiro" unfortunately you, and so many liberals are wrong. Bipartisan legislatures do not create changes most everybody wants. Any legislature will create changes that most people want, assuming that the people elected do a reasonable job representing their electorates.

    All you and the other liberals here are whining about is the simple fact that you are a minority in Utah, and want more power in the state government.

    I am all for a bipartisan Congress, but not because of any change they can enact, but because they get into so much gridlock that they can't change anything. Historically, the stock market has done best when congress is not controlled by any one party.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    Mav, that's the whole idea not only of Mia's campaign, but Mitt's, Bishop's, Hatch's and all the other GOPers. Go to any of their websites and there's nothing but fluff.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    I'd like to find out about candidate Mia Love. Unfortunately, all I know is from her worthless ads. Has anyone actually visited her website? It's pathetic. Under the tab, "issues" she doesn't list any ideas or plans. Literally, it's a few paragraphs of old repub talking points. Nothing specific.

    How are we supposed to learn about her and what she plans to do if she doesn't say anything?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    ECR, old man, I think we all agree on this one.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    An excellent letter. And an excellent comment by ECR.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 26, 2012 5:22 a.m.

    Nice letter Nate. You are so right to point to the partisan nature of everything that we do these days as the primary reason for our gridlock. I put most of the blame on the citizens, including myself. We claim to want solutions - even bipartisan solutions - but we allow the media to shirk their responsibility to inform us with facts and, instead, choose to support their sensationailzing of every issue that comes forward. They are not looking for truth as much as they are looking for a story that will sell papers or gain TV viewers, just like the reality TV shows that support those "news" channels and the corporations that own them. It is a sad reality that regardless of which political philosophy is espoused by a a channel (ie. MSNBC on one side and Fox on the others, and most of the others somewhere in between) all of them have corporate oweners who want profits above all else.

    Let's take the time to actually seek out and study the candiadtes positions and urge them to seek bipartisan solutions rather that encouraging them to stand firm on the partisan positions we support...for the good of nation