@phoenix"once again byu will Utah's signature win of the
2012 season"Seems like we have signed that paper quite a few
times. 8 out of the last 10, 3 in a row ring a bell. I know if you would have
played somebody else or if you wouldn't have "given" the Utes so
many turnovers you would have won right. LoL!I guess that would make
USU the cougs signature win of the season this year right? Or do you think it
will be Idaho? I love how coug fans view the world through their
blue glasses. Last year all we hear is that the y would have beaten the Utes if
Riley Nelson would have been playing... it's got to get old coming up with
excuses of your team can beat a good team.Go Utes!
MLHIt's funny how you chose to ignore San Jose St, but not
surprisingSagarin ranks#22 BYU#36 San Jose St#44 UtahBYU was within one play of beating Boise State, Notre Dame
and Utah, and was within 3 points of Oregon State late in the game.Utah hasn't been close to winning any of its games against ranked teams,
and besides your close win against BYU, you haven't beaten a single D1-A
team with a winning record. And, you lost to Utah State, a team BYU beat.btw, I'd be careful about looking down your nose at Idaho and NMSU.
Have you seen the rankings for WSU and Colorado? Don't forget, the Utes
lost at home to Colorado last season and struggled to beat WSU in OT.Once again, BYU will be Utah's signature win of 2012 - welcome back to
Swoopbtw, BYU football played #5 Notre Dame, #8 Oregon State, and
#21 Boise State this season (25% of their schedule).Lost to them all
plus the Utes. Here comes Idaho and NMSU, You all are just a bunch of
know-it-alls. I wish I had it all figured out like you gus do.
@DuckhunterYou said, "The WCC sent 3 teams to the tourney and
won some games, the pac12 sent 2 and got bounced immediately."The fact is that the WCC sent 3 teams and won 2 games. The Pac-12 sent 2 and
won 1 game ... so no, Colorado did not get bounced immediately.Also,
you mention not living in the past ... the WCC had it's best season ever
LAST YEAR. The Pac-10/12 had one if it's worst seasons. If you truly want
to live in the present I suggest you start looking at what the two conferences
look like TODAY. I've got a sneaking suspicion it'll be you clinging
to the past once this season gets under way.Now this isn't to
say BYU won't have a good team. Nor am I saying Utah will be wonderful,
they still have a tough road to climb. But the thing you and other people on
this thread fail to mention is that BYU has the NEED to schedule a stronger OOC
schedule. That much is obvious when you look at Utah's OOC SOS versus their
entire SOS rating which jumps BYU's.
Funny how most of the words in duckhunter's comment are past tense.LOL!
@two for flinchingI love how utah "fans" are always telling
BYU fans to quit living in the past. What matters is RIGHT NOW isn't it?
RIGHT NOW the pac12 is not a good conference and utah is an awful basketball
team and program. That is how things are RIGHT NOW.On the otherhand
BYU is a perenial NCAA tournament team that has beaten utah 11 of the last 12
times they have played. In the most recent season BYU went to the NCAA tourney
and won a 1st round game, utah was something like 6 and 25. The WCC sent 3 teams
to the tourney and won some games, the pac12 sent 2 and got bounced
immediately.In otherwords you have nothing.LOL!
Timid Sparrow"OK BYU fans, we've hashed over how
"strong" your OOC schedule is and how "weak" Utah's OOC
schedule is...are you ready to talk about conference SOS?"SureWCC placed THREE teams in the NCAA tourny last year
(Sagarin/RPI/Tournament Ranking):#21/24/27 Gonzaga#37/30/26 St.
Mary's#40/47/48 BYUThe PAC only had TWO NCAA tourny
teams:#32/45/45 California#72/51/44 ColoradoUnless your
record is good enough to get you invited to the NCAA tournament, SOS really
doesn't matter now does it?#294/270 UtahBottom
line, Hill has scheduled a pre-season of cupcakes that are on the same level as
Utah 314 280 290 224 219 288 173 219 323.
Brave Sir RobinComparing conference schedules proves ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING, since Holmoe and Hill have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over who BYU and Utah
play in conference.Suffice it to say, that Hill, with his
pathetically weak OOC scheduling, has GUARANTEED that the Utes will have
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of playing in the NCAA tournament this year unless the Utes
win the PAC 12 tournament.Basically, he's written off the
season before the Utes have played a single game.Good luck exciting
those fans who have abandoned Runnin' Ute basketball with a slate full of
opponents ranked 314 280 290 224 219 288 173 219 323.
DuckhunterI'm willing to bet that most years the WCC isn't
that high, and the PAC-12 isn't that low.
Uh....robin. The WCC was the 11th ranked basketball conference last year and the
pac12 was the 10th ranked conference. LOL!Please provide
us with evidence of your fabrication.
OK BYU fans, we've hashed over how "strong" your OOC schedule is
and how "weak" Utah's OOC schedule is...are you ready to talk about
conference SOS? How about overall SOS?My guess is you won't
because your conference SOS is something like 300th nationally while Utah's
is in the top 20. And your overall SOS (which is the only one anyone cares
about) is somewhere around 150 while Utah's is in the top 100.BYU fans, you make me laugh with your cherry-picking of facts and figures to
support your preconceived notions. Bottom line: Utah's overall SOS is
better than yours.
Qwest Perfected"I do find the number of Coug fans bagging on
Utah's schedule ironic."You do, do you?Apples
and oranges comparison QP - Holmoe only scheduled several WAC teams in 2011 and
2012 out of necessity because of the short-term scheduling crunch he faced after
BYU's move to Independence, and even then, Holmoe scheduled as many good
teams as he could, teams like Texas, Boise State, Notre Dame, TCU and other BCS
teams (home and away).That's very different from what Hill
scheduled for the Utes in basketball. With the exception of BYU, an entire OOC
schedule of the weakest teams he could find, while running and hiding from Utah
State and Weber State.And, yes, some of your fellow Utah fan were
trying to equate Utah's pre-season schedule, with BYU's, which are at
complete opposite ends of the SOS spectrum - BYU's ranked 9 on a scale of
10; Utah's ranked 1.
Coach K has already addressed this years strength of schedule or lack there of.
Nobody at the U is trying to claim the non conference games are strong. They
said they tried to put together a favorable schedule to get a young team some
confidence so they can hopefully compete at a better level once conference play
starts.The PAC12 is supposed to be much improved this year top to
bottom. Getting some wins early will help get a new team some confidence.
I'm sure once the team significantly improves, the schedule will as
well.As for this years Utah basketball team, I can't wait to
see how they will do with so many new players. They only have 2 returning
players from last year so who knows what to expect.I do find the
number of coug fans bagging on Utah's schedule ironic. That is the same
thing we have all been saying about your football teams schedule for the last
few years. A handful of wins that mean nothing.Go Utes!
Average record of BYU's OOC opponents - 17-13; #129 with Utah; #119 w/o
UtahAverage record of Utah's OOC opponents - 11-19; #238 with BYU;
#259 w/o BYUBYU RAISES Utah's entire pre-season SOS by 10Utah LOWERS BYU's entire pre-season SOS by 21Regardless of
how you slice it, that's just plain sad!
Sagarin Rankings of OOC opponents#45 BYU - 106, 140, 11, 39, 69,
197, 323, 74, 33, 143, 274, 70, 8, 338, 116Average WITH Utah - 129; Average WITHOUT Utah - 119#274 Utah - 314, 280, 290, 224, 219,
288, 173, 45, 219, 323Average WITH BYU - 238Average WITHOUT BYU -
259Spin away gonefishn, but the rankings speak for themselves.
gonefishn"I agree with your comment, the Utes schedule is light
and has scheduled wins on it that serve to undercut the credibility of any
possible success this year, please also see BYU's football
schedule..."It's laughable how quickly Utah fans try to
change the subject every time Utah basketball is mentioned.btw, BYU
football played #5 Notre Dame, #8 Oregon State, and #21 Boise State this season
(25% of their schedule).How many Top 25 OOC games is Utah scheduled
to play in basketball this season? How about Top 100? Top 200?
MLHESPN ranked OOC schedules for every D1 team. On a scale of 1 to
10, with 10 being the most difficult:BYU's OOC schedule was
ranked a NINEUtah's OOC schedule was ranked a ONEIn other
words, BYU's OOC is one of the TOUGHEST in the country; while Utah's
OOC schedule is one of the WEAKEST.Feel free to compare the final
Sagarin rankings from last season for BYU and Utah OOC opponents and you'll
get a clearer picture of just how pitifully weak Utah's OOC schedule really
is.If you're going to make comparisons, you should at least try
do so with a little understanding of what you're talking about.
Oh, wow, I was way off, too, not sure what I was thinking. I promise, I have an
education somewhere, I just forgot where I put it!
Phew....wow....that's a killer start to the season, Simon Fraser (from
British Colombia) and then followed up by Willamette. Good luck, if you can
manage a split with that nightmare pair you should feel pretty good about the
direction of things for the rest of the year.
UU32 and mamalongarms:Whoops, my bad, I forgot that last one was two
minutes. Either way, my comment stands, which was the beef of what I was trying
@mlhBYU's out of conference schedule includes 5 NCAA tourney
teams. I'm thinking you don't know what you are talking about.LOL!
Unless the offensive (double meaning) style of play has changed from last year,
the players' conditioning wouldn't come into play for another hours or
two. Dribbling/passing the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds before you
look for a shot isn't exactly taxing.Of course, when
you're overmatched as badly as Utah has been, you'll consider anything
to stay in the game until the 3rd media timeout. The only problem is the few
fans that showed up in the first place decide that the movie that's been on
the DVR since last year is worth leaving at halftime for.
"You try to talk such a good game, but the only thing you do is find fault
with anything the University of Utah does."MLH:Duckie's "comments" are the product of his stewing in Tulsa again
after the annual football whoopin' the Utes laid on his cougies. He
can't find much success bagging on the Utes' football stories because
no matter how he tries, that 3-in-a-row and 8-of-11 comes back to bite him. He
and the other Yners are glad they're closer to basketball season so they
can pretend that they really didn't care about football. We'll see
more of it, so enjoy it for what it is: Pac-12 envy.
@MLHBaylor, . . . AND Florida State, and Notre Dame (or St. Joes),
and Iowa State, and Utah State, and Virginia Tech.One Good Team?
Open your eyes please.And Findlay is an Exhibition Game - it
doesn't count .
Thank you UU32, I was just about to say that.Goodness sakes
naysayers, anything to make your ego bigger even if its all pre-emptive lies.The game was very exciting and showed the team having a lot of promise.
There is definitely a lot more size and skill this year. It will be a lot more
exciting to watch. Can't wait!
DuckhunterWith the statement you made about "embarrassingly weak
schedule" I had to look at the schedule the y is playing this year. Are you
serious about that comment, you are playing one good team, Baylor. You try to
talk such a good game, but the only thing you do is find fault with anything the
University of Utah does. I'm sure the fans will have a great time with the
Findlay and Eastern New Mexico games. Talk about an "embarrassingly weak
Jordan -- let me help you with the math -- 20 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 2 = 37 minutes.
duckhunterI agree with your comment, the Utes schedule is light and has
scheduled wins on it that serve to undercut the credibility of any possible
success this year, please also see BYU's football schedule 2010, 2011 and
To Eddie and Duckhunter,Overall, it was a 60 minute games with the
overtime. Sure, they could score more, but you must remember, college is
different than the NBA, they don't score nearly every possession. Plus,
this team is still young, and still inexperienced. They're not good yet,
everyone knew that would be the case long before this season ever started. We
are still looking to build a solid foundation to build a great program on; we
haven't even laid the cement yet. Give it a rest, it seems slightly
@StGtoSLCHow long were the overtimes? You know that they had to have
time outs to count the players to ensure that none of them had kept
"runnin'" right out of the building.You have to admit
that with 4 overtimes, that is still a pretty low scoring game! especially when
the coach says that they need to work on defense.
duckWe are so glad that you feel the way that you do. I'm sure
you will be in your free seats on the front row before long. We know you love
Mokie, don't confuse them with facts. Assumptions are much more popular.
Ummm....It was a 20 minute game with 4 OTs not a 40 minute game with 4 OTs.
This was not a regulation length game. Relax!
With the embarrassingly weak schedule they have put together I have no doubt
they'll win a few more games than they did last year. It won't be much
of an accomplishment though.
Four overtimes and all they could manage was a 65-62 score?
That's all the points they could muster after 4 overtimes! And then the
coach says they need to work on defense! Wow, this is going to be an exciting
year. Let's see the mighty Runnin' utes start off by playing
Willam"ette". Would that be an all girls school? They just might win