Utah Utes basketball: Bonus basketball as new Runnin' Utes are unveiled

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  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2012 3:07 p.m.


    "once again byu will Utah's signature win of the 2012 season"

    Seems like we have signed that paper quite a few times. 8 out of the last 10, 3 in a row ring a bell. I know if you would have played somebody else or if you wouldn't have "given" the Utes so many turnovers you would have won right. LoL!

    I guess that would make USU the cougs signature win of the season this year right? Or do you think it will be Idaho?

    I love how coug fans view the world through their blue glasses. Last year all we hear is that the y would have beaten the Utes if Riley Nelson would have been playing... it's got to get old coming up with excuses of your team can beat a good team.

    Go Utes!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 29, 2012 11:40 a.m.


    It's funny how you chose to ignore San Jose St, but not surprising

    Sagarin ranks

    #22 BYU
    #36 San Jose St
    #44 Utah

    BYU was within one play of beating Boise State, Notre Dame and Utah, and was within 3 points of Oregon State late in the game.

    Utah hasn't been close to winning any of its games against ranked teams, and besides your close win against BYU, you haven't beaten a single D1-A team with a winning record. And, you lost to Utah State, a team BYU beat.

    btw, I'd be careful about looking down your nose at Idaho and NMSU. Have you seen the rankings for WSU and Colorado? Don't forget, the Utes lost at home to Colorado last season and struggled to beat WSU in OT.

    Once again, BYU will be Utah's signature win of 2012 - welcome back to the 90's.

    Oct. 29, 2012 2:09 a.m.


    btw, BYU football played #5 Notre Dame, #8 Oregon State, and #21 Boise State this season (25% of their schedule).

    Lost to them all plus the Utes. Here comes Idaho and NMSU, You all are just a bunch of know-it-alls. I wish I had it all figured out like you gus do.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2012 10:57 p.m.


    You said, "The WCC sent 3 teams to the tourney and won some games, the pac12 sent 2 and got bounced immediately."

    The fact is that the WCC sent 3 teams and won 2 games. The Pac-12 sent 2 and won 1 game ... so no, Colorado did not get bounced immediately.

    Also, you mention not living in the past ... the WCC had it's best season ever LAST YEAR. The Pac-10/12 had one if it's worst seasons. If you truly want to live in the present I suggest you start looking at what the two conferences look like TODAY. I've got a sneaking suspicion it'll be you clinging to the past once this season gets under way.

    Now this isn't to say BYU won't have a good team. Nor am I saying Utah will be wonderful, they still have a tough road to climb. But the thing you and other people on this thread fail to mention is that BYU has the NEED to schedule a stronger OOC schedule. That much is obvious when you look at Utah's OOC SOS versus their entire SOS rating which jumps BYU's.

  • mamalongarms Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    Funny how most of the words in duckhunter's comment are past tense.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 27, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    @two for flinching

    I love how utah "fans" are always telling BYU fans to quit living in the past. What matters is RIGHT NOW isn't it? RIGHT NOW the pac12 is not a good conference and utah is an awful basketball team and program. That is how things are RIGHT NOW.

    On the otherhand BYU is a perenial NCAA tournament team that has beaten utah 11 of the last 12 times they have played. In the most recent season BYU went to the NCAA tourney and won a 1st round game, utah was something like 6 and 25. The WCC sent 3 teams to the tourney and won some games, the pac12 sent 2 and got bounced immediately.

    In otherwords you have nothing.


  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 27, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    Timid Sparrow

    "OK BYU fans, we've hashed over how "strong" your OOC schedule is and how "weak" Utah's OOC schedule is...are you ready to talk about conference SOS?"


    WCC placed THREE teams in the NCAA tourny last year (Sagarin/RPI/Tournament Ranking):
    #21/24/27 Gonzaga
    #37/30/26 St. Mary's
    #40/47/48 BYU

    The PAC only had TWO NCAA tourny teams:
    #32/45/45 California
    #72/51/44 Colorado

    Unless your record is good enough to get you invited to the NCAA tournament, SOS really doesn't matter now does it?

    #294/270 Utah

    Bottom line, Hill has scheduled a pre-season of cupcakes that are on the same level as Utah 314 280 290 224 219 288 173 219 323.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    Comparing conference schedules proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, since Holmoe and Hill have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over who BYU and Utah play in conference.

    Suffice it to say, that Hill, with his pathetically weak OOC scheduling, has GUARANTEED that the Utes will have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of playing in the NCAA tournament this year unless the Utes win the PAC 12 tournament.

    Basically, he's written off the season before the Utes have played a single game.

    Good luck exciting those fans who have abandoned Runnin' Ute basketball with a slate full of opponents ranked 314 280 290 224 219 288 173 219 323.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 7:05 p.m.


    I'm willing to bet that most years the WCC isn't that high, and the PAC-12 isn't that low.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Uh....robin. The WCC was the 11th ranked basketball conference last year and the pac12 was the 10th ranked conference.


    Please provide us with evidence of your fabrication.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 26, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    OK BYU fans, we've hashed over how "strong" your OOC schedule is and how "weak" Utah's OOC schedule is...are you ready to talk about conference SOS? How about overall SOS?

    My guess is you won't because your conference SOS is something like 300th nationally while Utah's is in the top 20. And your overall SOS (which is the only one anyone cares about) is somewhere around 150 while Utah's is in the top 100.

    BYU fans, you make me laugh with your cherry-picking of facts and figures to support your preconceived notions. Bottom line: Utah's overall SOS is better than yours.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 26, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    Qwest Perfected

    "I do find the number of Coug fans bagging on Utah's schedule ironic."

    You do, do you?

    Apples and oranges comparison QP - Holmoe only scheduled several WAC teams in 2011 and 2012 out of necessity because of the short-term scheduling crunch he faced after BYU's move to Independence, and even then, Holmoe scheduled as many good teams as he could, teams like Texas, Boise State, Notre Dame, TCU and other BCS teams (home and away).

    That's very different from what Hill scheduled for the Utes in basketball. With the exception of BYU, an entire OOC schedule of the weakest teams he could find, while running and hiding from Utah State and Weber State.

    And, yes, some of your fellow Utah fan were trying to equate Utah's pre-season schedule, with BYU's, which are at complete opposite ends of the SOS spectrum - BYU's ranked 9 on a scale of 10; Utah's ranked 1.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Coach K has already addressed this years strength of schedule or lack there of. Nobody at the U is trying to claim the non conference games are strong. They said they tried to put together a favorable schedule to get a young team some confidence so they can hopefully compete at a better level once conference play starts.

    The PAC12 is supposed to be much improved this year top to bottom. Getting some wins early will help get a new team some confidence. I'm sure once the team significantly improves, the schedule will as well.

    As for this years Utah basketball team, I can't wait to see how they will do with so many new players. They only have 2 returning players from last year so who knows what to expect.

    I do find the number of coug fans bagging on Utah's schedule ironic. That is the same thing we have all been saying about your football teams schedule for the last few years. A handful of wins that mean nothing.

    Go Utes!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Oct. 25, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    Average record of BYU's OOC opponents - 17-13; #129 with Utah; #119 w/o Utah
    Average record of Utah's OOC opponents - 11-19; #238 with BYU; #259 w/o BYU

    BYU RAISES Utah's entire pre-season SOS by 10
    Utah LOWERS BYU's entire pre-season SOS by 21

    Regardless of how you slice it, that's just plain sad!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 25, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Sagarin Rankings of OOC opponents

    #45 BYU - 106, 140, 11, 39, 69, 197, 323, 74, 33, 143, 274, 70, 8, 338, 116
    Average WITH Utah - 129;
    Average WITHOUT Utah - 119

    #274 Utah - 314, 280, 290, 224, 219, 288, 173, 45, 219, 323
    Average WITH BYU - 238
    Average WITHOUT BYU - 259

    Spin away gonefishn, but the rankings speak for themselves.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 6:08 p.m.


    "I agree with your comment, the Utes schedule is light and has scheduled wins on it that serve to undercut the credibility of any possible success this year, please also see BYU's football schedule..."

    It's laughable how quickly Utah fans try to change the subject every time Utah basketball is mentioned.

    btw, BYU football played #5 Notre Dame, #8 Oregon State, and #21 Boise State this season (25% of their schedule).

    How many Top 25 OOC games is Utah scheduled to play in basketball this season? How about Top 100? Top 200?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 5:56 p.m.


    ESPN ranked OOC schedules for every D1 team. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most difficult:

    BYU's OOC schedule was ranked a NINE
    Utah's OOC schedule was ranked a ONE

    In other words, BYU's OOC is one of the TOUGHEST in the country; while Utah's OOC schedule is one of the WEAKEST.

    Feel free to compare the final Sagarin rankings from last season for BYU and Utah OOC opponents and you'll get a clearer picture of just how pitifully weak Utah's OOC schedule really is.

    If you're going to make comparisons, you should at least try do so with a little understanding of what you're talking about.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 25, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    Oh, wow, I was way off, too, not sure what I was thinking. I promise, I have an education somewhere, I just forgot where I put it!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Phew....wow....that's a killer start to the season, Simon Fraser (from British Colombia) and then followed up by Willamette. Good luck, if you can manage a split with that nightmare pair you should feel pretty good about the direction of things for the rest of the year.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 25, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    UU32 and mamalongarms:

    Whoops, my bad, I forgot that last one was two minutes. Either way, my comment stands, which was the beef of what I was trying to say.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 3:32 p.m.


    BYU's out of conference schedule includes 5 NCAA tourney teams. I'm thinking you don't know what you are talking about.


  • cougardevil TEMPE, AZ
    Oct. 25, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Unless the offensive (double meaning) style of play has changed from last year, the players' conditioning wouldn't come into play for another hours or two. Dribbling/passing the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds before you look for a shot isn't exactly taxing.

    Of course, when you're overmatched as badly as Utah has been, you'll consider anything to stay in the game until the 3rd media timeout. The only problem is the few fans that showed up in the first place decide that the movie that's been on the DVR since last year is worth leaving at halftime for.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    "You try to talk such a good game, but the only thing you do is find fault with anything the University of Utah does."


    Duckie's "comments" are the product of his stewing in Tulsa again after the annual football whoopin' the Utes laid on his cougies. He can't find much success bagging on the Utes' football stories because no matter how he tries, that 3-in-a-row and 8-of-11 comes back to bite him. He and the other Yners are glad they're closer to basketball season so they can pretend that they really didn't care about football. We'll see more of it, so enjoy it for what it is: Pac-12 envy.

  • abang3 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:53 a.m.


    Baylor, . . . AND Florida State, and Notre Dame (or St. Joes), and Iowa State, and Utah State, and Virginia Tech.

    One Good Team? Open your eyes please.

    And Findlay is an Exhibition Game - it doesn't count .

  • mamalongarms Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Thank you UU32, I was just about to say that.

    Goodness sakes naysayers, anything to make your ego bigger even if its all pre-emptive lies.

    The game was very exciting and showed the team having a lot of promise. There is definitely a lot more size and skill this year. It will be a lot more exciting to watch. Can't wait!

    Oct. 25, 2012 11:25 a.m.


    With the statement you made about "embarrassingly weak schedule" I had to look at the schedule the y is playing this year. Are you serious about that comment, you are playing one good team, Baylor. You try to talk such a good game, but the only thing you do is find fault with anything the University of Utah does. I'm sure the fans will have a great time with the Findlay and Eastern New Mexico games. Talk about an "embarrassingly weak schedule ".

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    Jordan -- let me help you with the math -- 20 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 2 = 37 minutes.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    I agree with your comment, the Utes schedule is light and has scheduled wins on it that serve to undercut the credibility of any possible success this year, please also see BYU's football schedule 2010, 2011 and 2012.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 25, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    To Eddie and Duckhunter,

    Overall, it was a 60 minute games with the overtime. Sure, they could score more, but you must remember, college is different than the NBA, they don't score nearly every possession. Plus, this team is still young, and still inexperienced. They're not good yet, everyone knew that would be the case long before this season ever started. We are still looking to build a solid foundation to build a great program on; we haven't even laid the cement yet. Give it a rest, it seems slightly immature.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 9:56 a.m.


    How long were the overtimes? You know that they had to have time outs to count the players to ensure that none of them had kept "runnin'" right out of the building.

    You have to admit that with 4 overtimes, that is still a pretty low scoring game! especially when the coach says that they need to work on defense.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 9:43 a.m.


    We are so glad that you feel the way that you do. I'm sure you will be in your free seats on the front row before long. We know you love the U.

    Oct. 25, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Mokie, don't confuse them with facts. Assumptions are much more popular.

  • Mokie Mokie1735, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Ummm....It was a 20 minute game with 4 OTs not a 40 minute game with 4 OTs. This was not a regulation length game. Relax!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    With the embarrassingly weak schedule they have put together I have no doubt they'll win a few more games than they did last year. It won't be much of an accomplishment though.

  • No U Won't Reality, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Four overtimes and all they could manage was a 65-62 score?

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 6:20 a.m.

    That's all the points they could muster after 4 overtimes! And then the coach says they need to work on defense! Wow, this is going to be an exciting year. Let's see the mighty Runnin' utes start off by playing Willam"ette". Would that be an all girls school? They just might win that game.