Amy Donaldson: In wake of the UHSAA ruling we learn, life isn't fair, and mercy may be elusive

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  • SportsFan1 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    Now it is time for Herriman to do what the UHSAA could not. Send East home, justice will be served on the field

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    Well, here's your problem:

    "different schools determine eligibility differently. But under the UHSAA rules, principals are charged with the responsibility of deciding who is or isn't eligible and submitting that list to the UHSAA."

    That's simply wrong. The principals only decide who is eligible based on their standing in the school based on grades and failed classes. They have NOTHING to do with deciding it, in terms of move-ins and new kids.

    See, the thing is...schools don't get to determine ANYTHING about eligibility on move-ins. If a kid moves into your school who played or tried out at another school at any time between summer before 9th grade and the present, you HAVE to think of them as ineligible, until you get transfer paperwork signed by the prior principal, present principal, coaches, and parents, and then submit it and get it approved by the UHSAA. There is simply no possible way that ANY athletic director or coach could mess that up.

    And anyone that isn't doing that with every new kid in their program is playing fast and loose with the rules.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    Another Question: Did the players do anything wrong? Why were they "ineligible" or was it a technical infraction where someone didn't dot an i or cross a t?

  • Cache Valley1 Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    People who are saying that seeding doesn't matter and that "you have to play the best teams anyway" are not thinking straight. If it really doesn't matter then why do all of the profesional sports and the college basketball tournament have a seeding process? If it doesn't matter, like some are saying, then the pro sports and march madness should just throw the teams in a hat and pull out the seeds and go from there.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    A seeding system? Ok, but how will it work? I get that sometimes a particular region is a little better (or a lot) than others. But how will they be seeded. Please don't tell me by computer rankings and SOS like the BCS, because right now, that things about as broken as it gets, unless you talk to someone from the SEC, and then they'll tell you it's the fairest thing in the land, even fairer than Snow White! Anyway, I'm skeptical of how this seeding system will work. I am however, open minded, so someone please fill me in if you are in the know.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    @SLCguy... I thought I had read that now the East Prinicpal is back peddling on his commitment to resign if East was allowed to play in the playoffs.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Great article and thanks for making things a lot more clear Amy.

    Life is not fair and sometimes innocents get hurt.

    Football is a TEAM sport. You win, lose, and are penalized as a team.

    In high school the TEAM is a lot broader than just the athletes; including student body, administration, coaches, faculty and so forth.

    While the East athletes may be punished for so called "administration errors" that is a a lot more consistant than punishing OTHER TEAMS for the "administration errors" committed by East.

  • amanap Washington, ut
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Lesson to learn here is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease I guess... or the weeping wheel rather.

  • 123456 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    The seeding system noted and recommended by the Riverton Volleyball coach is one way to avoid something like this happening and is also something done in many states. This has been proposed to the UHSAA many times but is something that they simply will not entertain The way regions are matched up has also been dramatically affected in 3A basketball as for the 2nd year in a row region 9 and region 10 will be matched up in the first round. Apparently this year the 3A competition committee decided to shuffle the deck in 3A for state tournament pairings and essentially drew straws in each particular sport to determine which region plays who. In doing so these two regions were once again matched up in the first round. This was also the only sport in which this happened. This was not done in any other classification as 1A, 2A, 4A and 5A all stuck with the traditional route of rotating region pairings for state tournament match-ups and keeping them the same for all sports for the entire year. I don't agree with that either but at least it ensures something like this won't happen on consecutive years

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    If they really wanted to punish the teams involved and not mess things up why didn't they simply say ok East you are seeded 1st but can NOT have any home games for playoff games. Whoever you play it will be on the road. Same to you Timpview.

    Now wouldn't that keep the integrity of the playoff structure AND has far fewer unintended consequences?

    Now, I DO want to fire the Principals at both High schools though. It was their JOB, and they screwed it up. I even saw East's guy say he would resign if the kids got to play. That is an honorable man, and I'd take him up on his offer. Go ahead and appoint an interim administrator and then if they want to apply for their jobs (back) next year they can.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Re: willie

    So if BYU or Utah gets into the NCAA tourney next March, then you're all for them throwing out the challenge of facing Kentucky first? No sense, messing around with seedings. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best right. No coach in his/her right mind would see it this way unless they are given a raw deal like Herriman this week and then in the spirit of doing all he/she could do to win the game, the coach will result to your way of thinking. This was an awful decision made by the UHSAA!! But I do bet that Herriman has more fans this weekend than any other week of the season. I would love to see them rise to the occasion.

  • Willie Saint George, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    If Herriman and Logan want to win it all, you have to play the best of teams at some time or another. Why not win that game first and get it out of the way? Then you can cruise to to the championship. I'm not buying all their complaining. You have to win the big game at some point in the playoffs.

  • papi_chulo Ogden, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Great story Amy. I do agree that if this issue happens again that mercy will be hard to find. The whole situation puts a damper on the state football playoffs, which to me, is the best time of the year.