Draper prison move could challenge volunteers

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  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    Oct. 21, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Considering Rush Valley's current major facility is the now closing TOCDF and CAMDS facilities those acres of secure grounds would make a nice location. The perimeter security already exists and has for the better part of 50 years. There are lots of people in UT, SL, and TO county that make that trip for work. They don't consider it a hardship to make a good living not too far from home. The trip wouldn't be bad on a bus or other mode that could be established to facilitate travel for families.

    Realistically, the need to move and upgrade the prison will never go away. It is going to happen the question is when. It will never get any cheaper to do it than now, that is a fact of real estate and the growth of the metropolis. The US Government will be looking to unload the desert facilities to an organization that can be trusted to stay out of the areas that have become problem areas and the prison would be a could candidate for that.

    It makes sense to make the change sooner rather than later.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 8:23 p.m.

    If developers want the land, let them pay to move the prison. Our legislature should not bilk taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of dollars just so their developer buddies can make millions. The thought shouldn't even be entertained by lawmakers.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    Love the prisoner, or face him again. If we are serious about rehabilitating the prisoner, we must love them, first. If our prisons are no more than places where we dish out punishment, they hold no hope of rehabilitating the criminal. People respond to love. And, in this case, they are not likely to respond at all without it.

    So, the volunteers are doing a great service to society. They are injecting into the prison system a need that -- to too high of a degree -- it goes without if it goes without them. You have persuaded me the prison should not be moved, not unless another site came open right here within the city. Rather than placing prisons in remote areas away from the people, society should place them close to the people, and then, all things being ideal, the prisoners should be visited. Let's not give up this huge advantage that our prison here in Utah has above what state prisons in some states offer.

  • Well Read SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    There is no good reason to move the prison. Those wanting to do so are only looking for a way to line there own pockets. It where it is. It works. Leave it alone!!

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    The volunteers are making a difference in the lives of the inmates and therefore saving the taxpayers money. The family history project, the blankets, scarfs and other useful items made by donated labor helps the inmates and society. Moving the prison would cost so much more than 400 or 500 million. Think about all the ACLU lawsuits, EPA requirements, cost of getting staff, the additional costs of the families of the prisoners to visit. It is one of the worst ideas floated by the legislature. I passionately oppose it and feel only a few big developers and maybe legislators would benefit.The congestion and costs would spiral completely out of control.I hope it is shot down permantly.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    The moving of the prison is a stupid idea. The communities that produce the crime and criminals need to pay the cost of the prison's presence.

    There is an invaluable benifit that a significant part of the population can drive by the current prison on a regular basis and see the cost of crime. There are few teaching points that a parent can say to a teenager, "You do drugs, and you end up here for all to see."

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Why move it? Why not add on more stories on the same foot print? Save some money.

    I doubt the NSA will let any development be done if the prison is removed. Besides, the NSA is a prison as well so nothing gained by selling land that can't be developed.

  • DeepBreath West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    It is past time to oust any legislators entertaining such a ridiculous idea.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Terrible idea. I worked at USP for five years. No way would I drive to a remote part of Tooele county to work. How far is Rush Valley from a trauma center? There is an LDS Ward, FHE, and LDS institute at Draper. A move would negatively impact all these programs. The only people who support this are land developers and Draper city. There is not a location in the state that would not face bitter opposition. All this would leave to court battles that would drag on for years. Everytime we tried to build a new halfway house we faced opposition from the community.

  • Homer1 MIDVALE, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 12:38 a.m.

    typical Republican legislators in Utah from the Draper-Alpine cabal. They want cheap land, subsidized by the government for their personal and private profit. You look at the cost difference and it's outrageous that these money grubbers continue to push for this.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    Here's an idea:

    Build a new prison right where it is, dig a deep hole, and build a very tall, partially underground facility that only takes up a very small footprint. Sell the land around it. Do some thinking outside the box, create a prison that is different than any other. Do some high-tech security creation, that makes escape very very difficult if not near impossible. I don't think anybody cares if it stays there, as long as we don't have it sprawling across many many acres.

    Hmmm...let's get creative!

  • Calif granny PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    I volunteered also at the prison for 5 years, some of them with Carol Webster, and saw the good that comes from the Family History, FHE and music programs. I also have visited a for profit federal prison. Although the physical facilities were newer, the programs were nearly non-existant. No weekly church services, or other programs to help the inmates to develop feelings of self worth. As a volunteer who came up from Utah County twice a week to volunteer I was able to see the value of the programs and volunteers first hand. This would be a terrible loss.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    Moving the prison will cost us taxpayers millions, to the benefit of a few developers (ie, "legislators").

    CARL -

    If you put the prison where you suggest, how do you house the workers and their families? Do you want the taxpayers to build a small city out there?
    You also need courts and attorneys nearby.

    The prison is fine where it is. If the McMansions of Draper look down upon it, fine. The prison was there first -- and many of us still known Draper only as "prison town".

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    Socialize the expenses and privatize the profits. Isn't that the key to anything we do in Utah?

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    Good comment, Mr. Red Smith from American Fork...

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    And... One more thing, for you Utah folks to think about...

    *Last* time this came up, and the *huge* financial loss to Utah taxpayers was pointed-out, politically savvy investors, and Utah politicians for an eye on the cookie jar (and the money in it) said that they would make-up (hardly) for the financial loss to taxpayers by "privatizing" Utah corrections.

    The serious issues in corrections right now? "For-profit" correctional facilities. They cut numbers of positions, and they cut the pay for those positions.

    Cut education... Cut programs... Cut vocational opportunities... Cut basic medical care...

    The "private" for-profit companies write the contracts so taxpayers have to pay for lawsuits for failing to provide basic care... So even when they fail in court, they don't have to pay...

    I personally toured a "for-profit" facility.

    No classes. No work details with officers teaching work skills. Too expensive.

    The inmates played computer games all day between mandatory meals. A (one) "GED Graduate" watched hundreds of inmates play computer games, and lift weights all day long.

    No kidding.

    All day they strengthened gang relations, and idleness and laziness.

    That does not fly in *real* "corrections." That is pathetic.

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    I don't understand the comment about the NSA center necessitating a "super max" prison...

    Are you under the impression that the new NSA center is going to cause a lot more Utah folks to get arrested?

    If someone is charged for a Federal crime, they usually don't stay in Utah for long, as Utah has *no* Federal prisons...

    The closest are here in Colorado.

    It would be nice to have a Federal Prison in Utah, looking at the Federal Pay Grade, and benefits scale... A basic Correctional Officer position pay (there would be literally hundreds of those positions) starts higher than Utah's median income... And it goes up from there...

    But the NSA center (your words) "necessitating" a new super-max prison? I do not think so.

    That being said...

    The only reason this is getting talked about right now is that developers (with connections) want the land, and they want it cheap...

    The difference between the cost of a new prison and the land is ~400M. It is asinine to discuss that it is even getting thinked about right now...

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    A primary function of the Draper prison is the care, comfort and well being of the inmates both male and female.

    Moving 4,000 humans to a remote location will have an adverse emotional and physiological impact on 4,000 humans and their families which cannot be calculated in dollars.

    Less access to maintain human relationship is too high a price to pay for more congestion, increased air pollution, and the loss of a visible deterrent to crime --seeing Utahns locked up for committing crimes.

    The prison is only 700 acres. There are plenty of other 700 acre parcels in Salt Lake and Utah County. The Point of the Mountain is already congested. Developing another 700 acres will increase congestion.

    Moving the prison makes no sense.

  • juni4ling Somewhere in Colorado, CO
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    Yeah... Sell the land, and build another prison.

    The *new* prison would cost ~500M

    The land is worth ~100M

    Therin lies the problem.

    That huge of a gap... And obviously there are some people with their hands in the cookie jar... Or *want* their hands in the cookie jar.

    When the prison was built there, the South end of the valley was undeveloped.

    Now... You have Utah's wealthiest looking down on a huge eyesore... And developers who cannot build on land that will end up with millionaires with their back yard fenced off by officers with shotguns and razor wire...

    What a move will mean: A *huge* potential financial loss to taxpayes, and a net-gain for politically savvy developers.

    And a *huge* total-loss for those who volunteer and work at the facility... Especially those who volunteer. They provide a lot of benefits to those who will eventually release.

    Here is the truth... Most of the thugs will eventually release.

    Do you want a guy (or gal) who has spent the last four years learning how to work...

    Or a guy (or gal) who has stronger ties to a gang, and years of idle time...

  • CARL South Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    NSA spy center at Camp Williams would make "SuperMax" prison a nessisity for new prison. the best place for that would be southernmost part of Tooele County where escaping would be impossible task.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    If the prison is to be moved, let those who would stand to benefit pay for the move.

    If this is prime land, let the state sell the land and use the proceeds to build an other prison, ... IF ... doing so would be profitable.