Fact check: Stumbles in latest presidential debate

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    Re: LDS Liberal Farmington, UT

    Have you seen the results of the latest Gallup Poll? Kinda like the ocean tide going out for Obama, and coming in for Romney.

    As I said earlier, he who laughs last always laughs best.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    To be a card carrying republican today do you have to believe that everyone is conspiring against you?

    If your ideas are better why can't you just present them and trust the American people to make the right decision, or do you think the American people are to dumb to see through all the injustices being done to every republican candidate, and will do the right thing and vote R

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    Sorry --

    One DN commentor "Rifleman",
    refers to one "oddsmaker",
    about one article,
    from one network -- [FoxNews].

    Does not a reality make....

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:30 a.m.


    When you say Las Vegas oddsmakers, you actually mean ONE Las Vegas Oddsmaker - Wayne Allyn Root who has a column on the Fox News website. He is also a former Libertarian Vice Presidentail candidate.

    Please refer to him as an oddsmaker, not oddsmakerS.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    "Presidents have almost no effect on energy prices"

    That statement is dead wrong. Presidents do all kinds of things that influence energy prices, from their energy policy to foreign policy. To say otherwise is simply absurd.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Rifleman, Too funny. You really do crack me up.

    I get it now. Your guy, Mr Root, is a politician/oddsmaker who wrote an article for Fox News in which he AGAIN predicted that Romney would win. That's what you meant by "doubling down".

    And as far as Las Vegas goes? Make that ONE oddsmaker. And we have no idea if he is putting any money on it.

    Bottom line. In Vegas, Obama is the huge favorite.

    But, nice attempt to mislead. As usual.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Re: JoeBlow Far East USA, SC

    You must have, for what ever reason, chosen to ignore the article by Las Vegas oddsmaker Wayne Allyn Root. He has a history of correctly calling winners back to the 2004 elections almost to the exact percentage point.

    He who laughs last always laughs best. November 6th will tell the tale.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 17, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    "While you are rolling your eyes Google "las vegas oddsmakers presidential race". Nuff said."

    I did exactly that in formulating my previous post.

    Here is what you find (if the mod lets this thru)

    Bet ON Win

    $1000 Obama Get back $1384 (initial $1000 + winnings of $384)
    $1000 Romney Get back $3000 (initial $1000 + winnings of $2000)

    Proves the EXACT OPPOSITE of your claim Rifleman.

    And I am quite confident that you will disappear on this issue now that you have been called on it.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Re: LDS Liberal Farmington, UT

    While you are rolling your eyes Google "las vegas oddsmakers presidential race". Nuff said.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah

    There is a reason why the oddsmakers in Las Vegas are doubling down on Romney.

    8:17 a.m. Oct. 17, 2012


    While we're on the topic of "FACTCHECKS" Rifleman...

    [rolling my eyes, in absolute unbelief at what I've just read...]

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    I just read the same fact check article on the Tribune's website. Deseret News has OMITTED large segments of that article and has, in fact, seriously altered the facts in doing so.

    Please, if you want FACTS and not a version slanted in favor of their chosen candidate, go to the Tribune's website and find this same article. Read the entire article and not only this one. Compare them and see what your conclusion is.

    I'm more than just a little dismayed by the Deseret News actions here.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Uh, Rifleman. Are you a betting man? Have you been watching the odds in Vegas on the election.

    The odds currently (as of right now) STRONGLY favor Obama. If you are so confident that Romney will win, place your bet and take your chances.

    "There is a reason why the oddsmakers in Las Vegas are doubling down on Romney." = not supported by the facts

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    The damage was done during the first presidential race. Until then the presidency was Obama's to lose. Now the roles have been reversed, and Obama's dishonesty regarding the terrorist attack on our Consulate in Benghazi, Libya may well have been the icing on the cake.

    There is a reason why the oddsmakers in Las Vegas are doubling down on Romney.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 17, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    I watched Fox news this morning.

    The subject of the debate and fact checking was a hot topic.

    When they talked about exchange about the Libya attack and what was said in the Rose Garden
    Steve Doocy was classic Fox.

    Doocy said "Obama called it "No act of Terror". He said "NO act of Terror""

    Of course he was referring to the statement "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation"

    Gotta love Fox. I had a good laugh. Fair and balanced. LOL

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Too funny already blaming the moderator, the fact checker, and the liberally biased Deseret News?

    Worf you post those everyday and everyday they are answered and everyday you ignore the facts much like the apologist above think if mitt said it it's true. Mitt looked and acted completely lost when confronted on Libya. He contradicted himself from what espoused during the conference.

    Mit had his moments, when he described being a pastor and caring he seemed sincere, I'll give him that.

    This was a great debate as far as debates go.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 16, 2012 11:49 p.m.

    Some unanswered questions from the debate:

    * how did Mexican cartels obtain thousands of American guns?
    * we have pipelines long enough to circle the globe. Where is it, and was it built in the past three and half years?
    * did Obama pay the same percentage of income tax as the middle class?
    * where is the increase of American oil drilling which Obama spoke about?
    * how can a weak economy bring the price of gas down?
    * why wasn't the deficit cut in half, and unemployment cut to 5.2 percent?

    Obama had a bigger bark, but gave no answers.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    I am amazed that the fact checker picked on saying "unemployed", versus "unemployed and underemployed" issue instead of the oil production on federal lands and the president claiming he acknowledged the terrorist attack on Sept. 12.

    The barrage of liberal complaints that the DN is conservative biased should skip this article or they might realize how ludicrous their claims are.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    It's interesting that they didn't fact check the blatant lie and false moderator "fact check" on Libya, or the reduced number of drilling permits on Federal lands.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    CNN's Candy Crawley had to have one of the most biased, terrible moderator performances in Presidential Debate History. She repeatedly cut Romney off preventing him from responding to Obama's attacks, and on the Lybia attack, she jumped in to "rescue" Obama which goes totally against what a fair and unbiased moderator should do. She took an advocacy position as opposed to moderator. Yes, Obama was aggressive, and snarky, and full of spin and tired old rhetoric about "millionaires and billionaires" (omitting that he, himself, is a multi-millionaire). But I expected him to be that way. My low expectations of him were not disappointed. But Crawley, was an absolute, unmitigated disaster. She ought to be utterly embarassed. No fair-minded observer could think she did a good or fair job. So many of the questions that she herself selected were all tailored to fit into the Obama Campaign's manufactured narrative of the Republican "War on Women," a key demograpic, with questions on contraceptives, abortion, wages. Crawley was doing her best to help her guy, Obama. So transparent it is not even open to question.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Wow, the fact checkers really cherry picked what facts to look up. Why won't they simply say, that Romney was right. We gave GM money, then they went bankrupt. See the CNN article "GM bankruptcy: End of an era" from June 2, 2009. GM did in fact file for bankruptcy, Obama said that with the bailout that it would not have to go that route. Since filing bankruptcy, GM has shipped more jobs outside the US.

    Why is it that the AP fact checkers miss the big things that matter, and nit pick the little things that they can easily cover up for Obama? Isn't the press supposed to be free of bias? Articles like this only show the AP's bias for Obama.