Pres. Obama goes on attack, Mitt Romney counters in second presidential debate

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    I once knew a person who loved watching Perry Mason. This person didn't know what the story was about, but enjoyed how Perry would close the case with good rhetoric.

    The same with politics. Most people judge a debate by how aggressive the candidates talk, but with little understanding of what's going on.

    I guess that's why some people feel Obama won the debate.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    If TRUTH is important to voters then Obama will lose by a landslide.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Romney did just fine. Most media outlets say that he had a strong showing. Obama did much better than the last debate. As the CNN poll after the debate showed, 25% of those people said they were more likely to vote for Romney, 25% were more likely to vote for Obama and 50% said it did not sway them. Conclusion: it was a tie. Obama had a slight edge, 46% thought he won, while 39% said Romney won. IMO it was a tie as both candidates had there good and not so good moments. However, Obama flat out did not answer multiple questions. One, when asked if the president agreed with his Secretary of Energy Steven Chu's statement about high gas prices, he flat out didn't answer it.
    Two, how much he cut permits on public lands for drilling. He told Romney that wasn't true, but when Romney asked how much, the President said he cut them because they had to "use or lose it". Didn't answer Romeny's question.
    Three, When asked who lightened security in Benghazi and why, again, did not answer the question. Good debate. Didn't change the race though.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Illegal firearms circulated among criminals on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. People were killed!

    Why did Obama block investigations, and not give an explanation during the debate?

    Many unanswered questions, and lies from Obama, and some feel he won the debate?

    Where are the expectations? Have Americans become desensitized?

    The loudness of a bark, doesn't make a leader with character.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I liked a lot of what Mr. Romney said tonight about taxes and the economy. It is clear with these last two debates he has now discovered the middle class. As Truthseeker said, the early version of Mr. Romney was pushing tax cuts for the job creators because they were paying a disproportionate amount of the tax burden already. Now he says their tax burden will remain the same and the middle class can expect a big tax cut. I like today's Mitt Romney a lot better than last months Mitt Romney, but which Mitt Romney would we see if he is elected President?

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 5:39 a.m.

    Well I sure hope all the Obama supporters factcheck to see how badly he lied.
    No wait a minute you do not care about the truth.

    Truth is Obama has had 4 years and a full majority of democrates on the hill and he has done nothing but chrush the middle class. Destroy small businesses and add to the burden our entire nation is suffering under!

    Now that is a record a person can vote for?

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:24 a.m.

    Obama was magnificent at pretending to answer questions and convincing everyone that he had done so. What I saw was a pattern of taking half his time to show general empathy toward the questioner and each issue, then taking the last half of his time to reinforce a false narrative for Romney and slam him for it.

    Obama hardly answered any of the questions, and gave no plan for how his policies - which have created a lethargic economy - will magically change to create a robust one.

    They both have records - Romney has done it, and Obama only talks about it. Obama is "Where's the beef" and "There you go again" all rolled into one.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:00 a.m.


    Tough on China? Do you know how much money Obama has given China, and how many jobs he has created there?

    Who do you think made the windmills that Obama said created jobs?

    Why didn't he explain how thousands of guns got to Mexican cartels? At least he didn't deny it happened.

    Does he pay the same tax percentage as the middle class?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 16, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Lots of questions unanswered by Obama.

    Louder bark, but no explanation.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 11:22 p.m.


    Tell us where this universe exists where coherent, reality-based analysis, and not your Liberal groupthink exists? The NYT? The Washington Post?

    Here's a simple example yesterday in a NYT headline: "Romney raises only $178 million in September compared to Obama's staggering $183 million." Reality-based analysis? That's coherent statistical analysis? It was so off that the NYT changed the headline later in the day.

    Here's another example from a recent Washington Post op-ed piece: "Why isn't Romney richer?" After months of regaling Romney for being too rich, now he isn't rich enough because his net worth doesn't compare to other private equity moguls based on the 2012 Forbes rankings. Coherent analysis? Hardly. A comparison that doesn't take into account Romney retirement for 12 years while the others are all still actively working isn't coherent analysis. Groupthink at least implies a modicum of thought, something the op-ed piece was clearly missing.

    Favorite line about getting tough with other countries from Obama to Medvedev: "I'll be more flexible after the election." Now that's tough!

    Your universe is just as biased as ours.

  • Millsap fan Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    President Obama literally did everything he could not to admit the attack in Libya was a terrorist attack. Blaming a cartoon and saying many times it was just a lashing out of the cartoon. His response to the attack was weak and pathetic and he lied about it again tonight.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    I love how each side here is pretending that either candidate decidedly won. The truth is that it was a remarkably close debate. Both were tough, both stretched the truth at times, but there was no landslide.

    The most definitive statement by Romney was when he called out the President's Failed record.

    An "F" is an "F" and we need someone with a successful record with job creation and growth.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:29 p.m.

    Americans just witnessed the audacity of an F grade president, who acted proud of his failures.
    Most of the American people are begining to see clearly see through this hoax, imposed on our great nation.
    We won't get fooled again.

  • clutch VERNAL, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    Crowley was wrong to defend Obama, first because it was not her place to involve herself in fact checking as moderator and secondly, because she was incorrect. President Obama did not call the attack on the US consulate in Libya a terrorist attack during his speech in the rose garden. I've read the transcripts and listened to his speech. President Obama was speaking of what he had done earlier that day to commemorate the 9-11 anniversary and went on to say that " acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation." He was clearly referring to the 9-11 attacks.

  • Sense Ogden, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    It's funny how this AP article edited out Romney's response to Obama after Obama's retort that Romney had a bigger pension like it was the last word in the discussion. It seems as though Obama has been hypocritically criticizing Romney about his investments in a blind trust while Obama claims he didn't know what is in his pension (scary for someone who should be fixing our country's economy) and is unaware of investments in China & the Cayman Islands and Romney called him out on it. That was the conclusion of the exchange and is a relevant detail that should be included in the article.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Thank you Red Shirt for saying it like it is. You are faster at checking facts than I am, but I found exactly what you printed. I wish Romney had caught the phrase act of terror, which is not the same as terrorist act. But in the end Obama's crew had carefully coached him to change the phrase from general "acts of terror" to "act of terror" and then spin it to mislead the people, or in simpler terms, to lie. The claim was so preposterous that I was totally caught off guard and I think Romney was too. Still, Romney called it into question sufficiently that the research is already being done.

    I was also sad the Romney missed the chance to pound on Obama for lack of jobs being the reason there are fewer illegal immigrants in the country today. Great opportunity missed, but there always the campaign trail tomorrow.

  • Lowell Steele Farmington, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    I think if you take a couple of steps back, you'll recall that Romney pinned the President to the wall on several instances where the President either did not have an answer or would not answer. The President was not able to reciprocate. His feeble attempt to claim he labeled the Benghazi assassination as a terrorist attack in his Rose Garden speech was ill-considered, since the transcript is there and available for all to read. Anyone who does will realize just how willingly President Obama stretches the truth...not a good idea if you're trying to repair your credibility!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    The single mother family in relation to gun violence comment will help Mitt on sunday, but say goodbye to the first Tuesday in November.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    For the first time in any presidential debate since 1960, the word "gangbanger" was used in a serious context. This, I suppose, is a step in the right direction.

    I wish I could comment about Romney's use of numbers when discussing taxation, but frankly I get a pounding sensation between my ears. He must be using the New Math.

    I think both candidates were sufficiently rude to exude the aura of leadership. It not that these candidates loath each other; they disrespect each other -- and they let their disrespect show. Will that play positively with the upper Midwest undecided housewives?

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    Don't you just just love karma?
    Obama 2012!

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    So what to you expect. Partisan probably had determined their positions yesterday. Watching Fox News spinners seemed to be reading from a script prepared by writers hastily composing the necessary spin to meet management guidelines.

    Of course, comments like "delusional Obama worshipers..." from sammyg (Springville, UT) are basically useless tripe since the commentor apparently considers all Obama supporters to be "delusional".

    So, where does that get you. Absolutely nowhere. But then, what do you expect. Either sammyg is a troll or sockpuppet just trying to stir the pot with extremely partisan comments or sammyg is a true believer who may be aligned with the Birthers and other extremist anti-Obama forces angry that he was elected in 2008.

    As for legitimate dialogue, it is missing here. However, kudos for saying the very talking points the choir loves to


  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    Seriously, if any of you thought that Romney did well tonight...

    Your universe is shrinking, and shrinking fast. Agreeing with each other on your right wing blogs and DesNews comments is not the same thing as coherent, reality-based analysis, it's just groupthink.

    Favorite line of the evening, Obama to Romney: "You're the _last_ person who's going to get tough with China!"

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    So childish name calling is suppose to make us cower and agree that you must be right? very convincing.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    CNN and CBS polls have both declared Obama the winner, and even George Will and Charles Krauthammer just said that the President came out ahead tonight.

    Keep spinning though, guys...

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    I thought most Republicans believed the wealthy--the "job creators" need more tax cuts to stimulate the economy and people not paying any income tax need to start paying income tax. Now Romney is saying the opposite and I don't see any Republicans complaining or calling him on it.

    What gives?

    Notice how Romney didn't cite the 6 studies purportedly supporting his idea for $5 trillion worth of tax cuts?

  • Solutions not Stones Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    Both had stumbles. Some fancy footwork by the President to completely avoid answering questions. Some seriously missed opportunities for Mitt to pin him down and make him squirm again. I do not think that this will slow Mitt's ascendency in the polls or to the Office of President.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    All those people who said Romney is a liar have not heard Obama....He Lied on Libya he lied about oil permits, he lied about China....he is a big fat liar.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    Dear delusional Obama worshipers...

    Undecided voters will say Obama was angry, attacking, interrupted, impolite, and unable to defend his record.

    And they will say simply say that Mitt was... presidential.

    Informed voters will note that Obama lied about the Libya issue and the media will have a heyday on this.

    Conservative talk show will be on fire tomorrow and the White House will be in full damage control again, worse than after Joe's debacle.

    Moderates and undecided voters clearly were moved this evening.

    Watch the polls surge a few more points for Romney / Paul.

    Big win for Mitt!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    The fact checkers should check Obama's story about the rose garden speech. On Sept 12, 2012 Obama said "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." He never said that what happened in Libya was a terrorist act. Romney was right.

  • tigger AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Best line came from a commentator afterward: "Two alpha-males circling each other"

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    @SammyG, let's be honest, most people have made up their minds and are seeing what they want to. When it comes to it, it's more an issue of whose lies you're willing to believe more. As a Romney supporter, I'd say that on style Obama won tonight, and clearly. Romney seemed agitated and whiney. As for substance, well that's really not the issue because all know what each campaign is going to say at this point. We can get substance from all their stump speeches.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    Obama's response on Libya, not Syria, was disingenuous. Yes, he said "terror" in the Rose Garden, but it wasn't a specific link to Benghazi as an act of terror, and he and his administration spent the next couple of weeks talking about spontaneous demonstrations - not referring to it as an act of terror. In fact, he refused to answer the question when it was posed several times saying it was under study. Obama stretched the truth by a mile, KJB1, he didn't win by a mile.

    We really won't know who won the debate until November when the scoreboard gives us the definitive answer.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    To "KJB1" I don't know what debate you watched, but you could see how unglued Obama was getting the more Romney quoted statistics and Obama's own words, the more irritated Obama became. Obama was annoyed, and it was clear that Romney was getting under his skin.

    Romney stayed cool and calm. Obama was going nuts anytime he was pressed against a wall. Obama had about 3 talking points that he kept repeating yet never really answered the questions.

    Go and review what was said when the question was asked about what Obama has done to earn a second term. Obama gave a non-answer. What policy has actually done anything to help.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    I appreciate romney giving so many opportunities for DN readers give thoughtful comments.

  • Utejazz West Valley City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    I hate how Obama tries to say there is a middle class.... There is no middle class and Obama has done nothing for 4 years. Give Romney a chance and just see what happens these next 4 years.. Obama needs to go, that is for sure. ROMNEY/RYAN!

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    Oops, Libya instead of Syria...

  • guspine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    Eesh. Romney sounded like a wind-up Ken doll. Obama destroyed him.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:53 p.m.


    Is today Opposite Day? Obama was cool, collected, and in control. Romney looked inches away from a tantrum. And I loved how Candy Crowley called him out on his lying about Obama's response to Syria.

    I know the DN won't like to hear this, but President Obama won. By a mile.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    no partisan slant there right? sad that the only thing you took from this very lively debate is the chance to scream shallow chants.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    I,yi,yi,yi,i,i this is hilarious!

    It would appear that the Biden Debate School has worked its charm on Obama.

    And the result of this is another devastating loss for the Democrat Party and another surge for the Romney / Ryan ticket.

    Mitt again comes through with the demeanor of a believable person that cares for all people.

    Obama coming off as... angry, confusing, nothing new to offer and desperate.

    Mitt is feeling the swelling approval and will ride the wave to a landslide victory.

    I smell another big victory tonight.

    Way to go Mitt and congratulations!