Duckhunter, sorry you're wrong again. I'm not saying Cox will
definitely play QB because nobody knows that at this point. But you proclaiming
they already have announced he will not play QB is clearly fiction. And a DT-QB
recruit is still a QB recruit, if he intended to play another position, he would
be an ATH recruit. And um I don't know if you knew this, but Southern Cal
competition is quite a bit different than 3A Utah high school competition.
@stgNo contradiction. cox is rated in the nebulous "dual
threat" qb rankings, not the real qb rankings. In otherwords he is on the
list of hs qb's that are simply athletes and will play safety or wr in
college. It's already been reported he is an "athlete" recruit and
not a likely qb recruit. I know you badly want to be right and badly
want me to be wrong but in the end he'll play some other position, just
like Chase Hansen will, and I'll be right again. As far as the other kid is
concerned, well doesn't BYU have a qb starting right now that not only
"rewrote the state recrod books" but litterally anihilated them? Yet
despite all of that recrod breaking he was never a highly rated qb recruit
because he was never all that good a qb. There is a reason that a kid can
"rewrite the California record books" and still only be a mid ranked
recruit. It means he is only ok, nothing great
MLH"all the teams are good, all the teams have NFL caliber players,
and great coaching"bwhaahahahaa wow that really was a good one.
Swoop,No really it does work.... lookcrazy to see all
the BYU fans sooooo excited over the independent conference...and thinking that
one day they will be challenging ND for conference champions....um, how long has
Army and Navy been in the independent conference? let me remind you guys that
you will forever be in the an independent what Army always has been and what
Navy is now...and that's low man...you guys will always be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd
every year...from the bottom that is.
Swoop,And BYU's fate is much brighter, right? I'll take
the direction of Utah's football program over BYU's any day. If going
independent is such a great thing why is ND moving closer to aligning themselves
with a conference? If going independent was the answer for "legacy"
programs why don't we see Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State
all moving that direction? The BYU fan base will eventually catch on that as
soon as they lose their first game each year the season is essentially over.
Despite Utah going 0-4 in the PAC last season they were still in the race until
the last game of the season. If BYU does not get themselves aligned with a
conference within the next 3-5 years they will continue further down the path of
irrelevance. A long stay in the ranks of the independent league will eventually
lead to BYU dropping the football program... maybe not within 5 years, but do
you really think the BYU faithful will put up with the status quo for 10 more
U 90Not really, but nice try.Utah fans who were
expecting the Utes to be instant contenders in the PAC are now learning the
harsh reality that Utah's two perfect storm seasons were not nearly enough
to make the Utes a regular contender in a major conference.While
it's nice to be able to rub shoulders with a big name program like USC, the
truth is, Utah's overall athletic program now faces the same fate as
Arizona's, only without Arizona's basketball and baseball programs to
take some of the sting out of Arizona not really being all that competitive in
football.A few losing seasons with no bowls and even the staunchest
Utah fans will begin to accept that fate.
nunya,In your post, replace Utah with BYU, then replace pac 10.2
with The Independent Conference. Then replace ASU and AU with Army &
Navy.... and your post still works.
Duckhunter, you contradict yourself and continue to not check your facts. Not
surprising, but pretty funny. In one single statement from you:"Even these two that have committed to utah this year are not top recruits
despite utah "fans" trying to claim they are. Neither is ranked in
Rivals (the utah "fan" recruiting bible) top 35 qb's.Ironically though utah does have a top 20 qb recruit this year, he is a kid
out of California who is the 16th rated dual threat qb recruit on Rivals"And then..."As far as the two this year are concerned,
well, they are not highly ranked recruits. Neither is ranked in the top 35
qb's in the nation according to the utah "fan" recruiting
bible."Well, no need to point out you're wrong about
Cox's ranking, you already did that for us. And as for Manning, it remains
to be seen what his end of year rating will be after re-writing the California
prep record books this year.
@smileyutah didn't get those qb's because their recruiting
failed. Who cares if they offered them, what matters is actually getting them.
So yes you are correct not getting them hurt utah's qb situation, but the
reason they didn't get them is because the coaches failed to do a good
enough job recruiting them. You can try to claim "almost" or
"changed their commit at the last minute" all you want but the end
result is the same. They failed to convince them to sign with utha, their
recruiting was not good enough, it was actually bad.As far as the
two this year are concerned, well, they are not highly ranked recruits. Neither
is ranked in the top 35 qb's in the nation according to the utah
"fan" recruiting bible. Now they may turn out to be good, who knows, but
they are certainly not "top" recruits, they are average qb recruits, 3
stars. Sorry but they just aren't what you seem to want to pretend that
I personally think it is a great idea to play Wilson. He gets half a season of
game experience so that next year, the game slows down for him and his
production improves. This should definitely set up Utah better for next year.
But a question for you BYU fans: What is going to happen next year with Nelson
playing out this year and graduating, and with NO EXPERIENCED QBs with your
upgraded schedule next year? Thoughts..... Plans....?
The recruiting was improved the last two years, except they didn't get an
adequate QB when it was clear that Wynn had incredibly weak connective tissues,
and O-line. A few years ago they only signed two O-linemen, which isn't
enough in any recruiting class.
crazy to see all the utah fans sooooo excited over the pac 10.2...and thinking
that one day they will be challenging SC for conference champions....um, how
long has ASU and AU been in the pac 10? let me remind you guys that you will
forever be in the pac 10.2 what AU always has been and what Colorado is
now...and that's lo man...you guys will always be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd every
year...from the bottom that is. hahaha, dreamers.OSU 55 uteh 3
SportsCenter- thin skinned or realistic? I just can't find a positive,
optomistic article that you would find in a hometown newspaper. My examples
pointed that out. And your comment? Again- why do you find happiness in
Utah's record this year in PAC-12 games after they have played 3 excellent
teams. Where would BYU fit if they had a conference? Well, Utah would have 1
conference win if BYU were in the PAC-12.
@ Duck Hunter- again your ignorance- and again lol? really? how old are you? My
comment on the 2 qb's that reniged on the U was a comment on why the U was
left without great quarterbacks for last year and this, not a comment of
recruits that "counted". You should know how that can affect a team when
a quarterback goes down. And my little friend... the incoming quarterbacks? they
both had offers from 3 or more PAC-12 teams including Arizona, Arizona State and
Oregon. A Southern Cal high school coach rated one as the best to come out of
that area for a long time. I don't know how come you still get so upset at
me and mlh. Utah has still beat byu 3 years in a row- why would you want to make
the U look so bad?
utahcountyuteyMost BYU fans couldn't care less whether Kyle
gets bounced or not; but it is comical to see Utah fans forced to come to his
defense less than two years after Utah fans were proclaiming that Kyle
practically walked on water.
Quester"The Utes will be just fine. The fact is that they are
playing in a very good conference. The PAC12 is much better this year."If by fine, you mean the Utes are okay with being the next Arizona of
the PAC, then I guess you and many other Utah fans are satisfied.Frankly, I expected much more from the Utes than an occasional win over
another conference opponent with a losing record.
Just Smiling"Way to go D-News- At least you are consistent day
after day. Positive upbeat articles about BYU, negative, demeaning articles
about the U."Another thin-skinned Utah fan who simply can't
handle any criticism of his beloved Utes. It's finally starting
to dawn on the kids on the hill that simply being in a big boy conference,
doesn't make U a big boy. Welcome to the realm of the Dukes and Indianas
and Vanderbilts and Iowa States and Washington States of the world - the teams
at the bottom of the big boy conferences that pad the conference records of the
USCs and Ohio States and LSUs and Oklahomas of the college football world.
The Utes will be just fine. The fact is that they are playing in a very good
conference. The PAC12 is much better this year.I thought the timing
of starting Wilson was odd in that it was on the road but if you look at the
stats of Utah's offense, there wasn't going to be a drop off starting
the freshman. Hays has been a good back up but his ability is also limited.
Hays wasn't going to lose you games but he also wasn't going to be the
guy to win you games either. In his first start, Wilson had more passing yards
than Hays had in 12 starts. I know that's not saying much considering
where Utah ranks in passing offense, but it's also a step in the right
direction.It is out of the ordinary for any team to start 3
different players at QB in the same year so I think changes and growing pains
are to be expected.Utah had its best recruiting class ever last year
and it will take a few of those to match the talent level of the PAC12.Go Utes!
Way to go D-News- At least you are consistent day after day. Positive upbeat
articles about BYU, negative, demeaning articles about the U. Example: "Utes
need to get better in a lot of areas" and "Sputtering Ute Offense Will
Stick With Wilson" Compare that to "Practice should improve Cougars
kicking game ailments" It would shock me to ever see "Sputtering BYU
kicking game will stick with Sorenson" or really shocking "Practice
should improve Utah's game ailments" I think if any top ranked recruits
can meet Whittingham and meet the team and see the facilities they will become
Utes... as long as they haven't read any D-News articles.
@mlh"The majority of byu fans will never understand what it is
like playing in a conference that all the teams are good, all the teams have NFL
caliber players, and great coaching"LOL! at that statement. More
utah "fan" delusion on display. utah "fans" like yourself really
do believe that just because you have decided to like a certain team that it
somehow gives you more knowledge than people that like a different team. Just like ytou we watch the games, we watch the news, we listen to the
radio, and we read the newspaper and blogs. We "know" everything you
think you "know". We know the problems, we know the situation, we know
that you are blinded with crimson and couldn't tell the truth if it bit you
in the rear. We "know" everything you "know".Frankly
we all "understood" long before utah "fans" ever did. We told
you they'd be at the bottom of the pac12, we told you they didn't have
any good qb's, we told you whittingham neglected to recruit any decent
qb's, we told you wynn was toast, WE TOLD YOU. LOL!
@just smilingWell if you are laughing at "ignorance" then
you should be laughing at yourself. 1st of all recruits that elected to go
elsewhere don't count, other than they count as more recruits that
don't want to come to utah.2nd of all utah does not have to
"highly recruited" qb's from high school for next year. Neither is
a top ranked recruit, but of course that just shows your ignorance".LOL!
I love the ignorance of "Duck Hunter". I agree, Utah must not be a very
good team if they can only beat byu by 3 points. But if you remember their
recruiting rating had them highly rated and far above byu. Also about
quarterbacks- 1. they had the misfortune of having 2 highly rated qb's 2
years ago renig on verbal commitments at the last second who went elsewhere. 2.
Have you read about the 2 highly recruited qb's they have commited out of
high school for next year. Without a doubt, I would take stock in Wilson this
year and in the future. If you knew anything about football you would know that
it takes a few games to get used to the speed and defensive schemes at the
college level. I believe he will get it and fairly soon. Of course if he was
playing Weber State, Washington State, Idaho, San Jose State, Hawaii and New
Mexico State then it would be happening already and Utah's record would be
much better. Unfortunately the U is in the PAC-12 and have to play Arizona,
Southern Cal, Oregon State, etc.
I fully support the move to Wilson. We're not going to win the conference
this year. Let's get Travis the reps so he's ready to roll next year.
With Oregon and Stanford on the schedule next year it's going to be
brutal. But playing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl was supposed to be brutally
impossible as well.Still proud of the team. You can tell they are
fighting and there are growing pains of playing week in and week out with the
big boys(byu and usu don't know what this is like).Whittingham
has already proven he can take his teams to the very top of the rankings, and
he'll do it again.
Four out of five of the biggest byu homers are the first to comment. You guys
have your own problems, you do not have a very good team either. The first two
comments are laughable it's pretty much a given that there will be people
calling for Whit's job they already are. But for byu homers to get on here
and tell us what the situation is-well I guess we can get on a cougar article
and do the same.The majority of byu fans will never understand what
it is like playing in a conference that all the teams are good, all the teams
have NFL caliber players, and great coaching. You beat Utah State SO WHAT, you
have lost to every good team that you have played. Utah, OSU, BSU, you beat up
on teams like Hawaii, WSU, big deal. Beat someone good, then tell us about our
problems. You think we have coaching and fan problems, look in the mirror boys
and again BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH.BYE
Ducky and SnackyI'm sure both of you would love to see Whitt
get bounced since your team (his alma mater) tried as hard as they could to get
him and were denied. Whitt's not going anywhere and he is
supported by all Ute fans. Does this mean that he won't get bounced if the
Utes don't perform? No. That's every college coach. Whitt has a long,
long rope though.These are growing pains and nothing more.btw...It was the right decision to go with Wilson.
I know this may not be a popular statement, but I think there is more to the
issues at the U than can be seen from the outside. It just feels like a divided
team - which usually means a divided coaching staff. The senior leadership seems
to really be lacking. Very little discipline. Changing personnel and schemes
drastically every week. Something is going on. Not sure what - and not sure we
will ever know - but there is smoke in them thar hills.
"Ute Faithful will never call for Whit's head...How many
years of being a PAC 12 cellar dweller and not going to a bowl do you think Utah
fans would put up with before calling for Whit's head?"...and the recruiting has been outstanding."Which
explains why Chow panicked when he saw how dreadfully Whittingham had stocked
his QB cupboard and immediately brought in the only QB he could find, a D-II QB
who was only available because his team had dropped football.Whittingham is into his 8th season as Utah's HC and he's just
learning the value of recruiting a decent QB to play QB?
@bigutahfanWhy were the 1st two comments "laughable"? I
understand you don't like them and don't want to read anything but
effusive praise for utah despite the fact they don't deserve any praise but
both of those posts were pretty accurate.For one "utah
isn't a very good team". I would think that their 2-4 and 0-3 records
are plenty of proof of that fact. Second of all whittingham's complete
neglect of recruiting the qb position is "terrible" and yes their are
already many utah "fans" calling for his head.Now I
personally do not think whittingham should be on the hot seat, yet. But to say
that another year of this shouldn't put him there is delusional. Remeber he
has elected to go into a results based business, period. If the results continue
to remain poor then he will face pressure, and he should. Don't be such a
knee jerk reactionary especially when you are fighting against the truth.
Really? The first 2 comments are laughable. Ute Faithful will never
call for Whit's head and the recruiting has been outstanding.At
first I didn't like Wilson starting. Part of me is loyal to Hays and I like
his grit. But the coaches seem to be prepping for next year. We have growing
pains with Brian Johnson and WIlson this year then maybe next year the offense
will run smoother and hopefully our LB's grow up as well.Utah
plays a competitive game, but the Beavs will pull it out.GO UTES!
Terrible job of coaching and recruiting by Coach Whitt the past several years.
If things are at the same point next year Ute loyals will be yelling for a
change up on the hill.
Wilson did as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. Utah just
isn't a very good football team. It would take a considerable miracle for
Utah to win at an always hostile Reser Stadium on Saturday. Prediction: 45-17
Beavers. Welcome to 0-4 in the PAC.....