BYU football: Cougars fall victim to Beavers' big fourth quarter, just can't dance to 'all that Vaz'

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  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 2:36 p.m.


    byU is 0-2 against USC. They own you.
    byU is 3-7 against UCLA. They own you.
    byU is 7-19 against ASU. They own you. BIG TIME
    byU is 2-1 against CAL. big woop.
    byU is 3-3 against OR. big woop.
    byU is 5-6 against OSU. They own you.
    byU is 4-3 against WA. big woop.
    byU is 0-2 against Stanford. They own you
    byU is 3-1 against WSU. Big whoop.
    byU is 9-13-1 against AZ. They own you.
    byU is 2-8-1 against CU. They own you. BIG TIME

    That was fun.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 5:16 p.m.


    You should know the answer to your question but here it is... BYU vs Utah is not relevant to this discussion between me and WacPaddledMyUtes.

    So if you want to thump your chest about the leather helmet days go ahead. No one cares, anything can happen at these games. USU beat you a few weeks ago, BYU beats USU. Moving on...

    This discussion was about why BYU is shying away from Colorado after BYU is 3-8-1 against them. A total out and out fabrication.

    BYU plays any team, any time it can be worked out. Why WacPaddledMyUtes would bring up such a dumb idea beyond comprehension. Laughable as I kindly said.

    So the fact remains that 8 out of 11 teams in the PAC12 thump the Utes more times than not. Washington every time, and even the so called bottom dweller Colorado has a nice edge against the Utes.

    0-3 is about right for Ute averages against PAC opponents.

    Would a chart or picture make this easier to comprehend?

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    @SammyG....Since you are listing the Utes all time record against other teams. Will you please post where the Utah and BYU series is at for us?

    As far as this game Reily continues to make critical mistakes. However I think it was the highly overrated defense that cost the cougies this game. Oregon St. top 10 however I think we all know they will end nowhere near that come the end of the year. Cougies had them at home with back up QB, back up RB and were still lit up. All we heard before the game was how this was the greatest cougie defense ever. It may be the best cougie D ever but was definitley overrated for just how good. Vanoy and 47 make that D what it is without those two on the feild Oregon St scores 70+.

    One poster mentioned this already just want to agree. The cheap shot by Olgatree on the back up QB was un-called for. IMO he should be suspended pretty heavily for this once reviewed by the NCAA. There is no place in football for taking cheap shots like this and risking bad injuries to other players.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    @ BYU fans making excuses: OSU's QB is a back-up, playing in his first career start, and you could not put any pressure on him. Player of the game, IMO.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 4:28 a.m.

    Oregon State is a top ten team and they showed it Saturday afternoon. BYU played a good
    game both offensively and defensively. The speed and defense of OSU was enough to overcome a blackout & enthusiastic capacity crowd. BYU was ready to play smashmouth football.Brandon Doman's offense and Bronco Mendenhall's defense kept it close going into the 4th quarter.Then a better team Oregon State prevailed on a pick six and stout defense the margin of error for BYU was just too slim. Next up another top ten team Notre Dame.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 11:42 p.m.


    Really? BYU shying away from Colorado. Typical Ute fan making stuff up to feel better about himself and his miserable team.

    Utes are not holding much of advantage over BYU when it comes to Colorado. So I went a little further and dug deep to get these PAC12 records for you.

    Utah is 24-31-3 against the Buffs. They own you, in fact they curb stomped you last year denying the Utes a division title and a shot at the conference title.

    Utah is 3-8 against USC. They own you.
    Utah is 2-9 against UCLA. They own you.
    Utah is 6-18 against ASU. They own you.
    Utah is 3-5 against CAL. They own you.
    Utah is 8-18 against OR. They own you.
    Utah is 6-9-1 against OSU. They own you.
    Utah is 0-7 against WA. They own you... big time.
    Utah is 2-2 against Stanford.
    Utah is 6-5 against WSU. Big whoop.
    Utah is 20-15-2 against AZ. Big whoop.

    Historically 0-3 right now should be considered par for the Utes in their mighty conference.

    BYU shying away from Colorado... laughable.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    The problems are two fold.


    BYU has had very bad O-line coaching now for over two years. The QB has no time to go through his reads. Weber has to go.


    NO offensive scheme that can seriously move the ball. Nor a QB that effectively passes the ball. As a result BYU is easy to defend.

    short passes and even shorter runs does not get the job done.

    Here is the real tale of the tape:

    Oregon 6 plays 75 yards to score a TD.
    BYU 12 plays and 30 yards.

    If BYU can not average atleast 12 yards a pass completion then the offense struggles. (And horrible at under 10)

    BYU needs a stronger armed QB and better Oline and offensive scheme that takes advantage of the players BYU can recruit.

    IN other words, the riley nelson experiment should be over, and doman should be out.

    BYU isn't running team,
    BYU isn't an option team.
    They are a passing team.

    As Coach Edwards knew, success will only come with a sophisticated passing game with good experienced players, not a bad o-line, weak-armed QB and disheartened pass-catchers and poor OC.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 14, 2012 9:30 p.m.


    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado!


  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 14, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    Cedar Hills, UT
    Hey Bleed Crimson...when Colorado beats you again this year are you still going to make your bold posts...??? Considering you beat us by 3 and we handed you turnovers...what does that say for your mighty crimson clad utes...???


    Why is BYU afraid to schedule Colorado?
    There seems to be plenty of room on future schedules for the kitty cats.

    Fact of the matter is that BYU is afraid to schedule the Buffs.
    Colorado is 3-8-1 all time against BYU.


  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 14, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    Hey Byu?? Try worrying about playing solid football before pulling out new black uni's and painting the end zone black. Just stick to blue and white, you know tradition?? and try putting a team on the field that can compete with anyone outside of cupcake city please.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    Article should read, "BYU falls victim to Riley Nelson at QB"!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 14, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    I really would like to get some information on a low tackle on OSU"s quarterback by a BYU linebacker. If it was an attempt to injure the player then I hope BYU loses all of its games.
    It has no place at BYU. A good Mormon kid playing at another school, outside of Utah, seems to do the Church a l0t of good. And a dirty player for BYU has the opposite effect.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 14, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "BYU can beat all the cupcakes on their schedule and lose to all the good teams."

    At least BYU doesn't LOSE to the cupcakes on their schedule like the Utes - see Colorado.

    btw, the Utes are now 4-8 since joining PAC, and the Utes haven't beaten a single PAC team with a winning record. Your four PAC wins have come against:

    Ore St(3-9)
    Wash St(4-8)

    Combined record (17-33). So who exactly have U beaten since joining the PAC that you would consider "good"?

    As they say, people who live in glass houses...

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    @WAYNE ROUT,all i have ever seen you do is mean mouth the cougars and Riley Nelson, since you seem to be such an authority on football and you think you can do any better i suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and try out,but i highly doubt if you could do any better,so until you can prove otherwise i think you need to be quiet,people who are true cougar supporters are getting tired of your know it all attitude,first its the team then the coach and now its Riley it just shows how ignorant of the cougars you really are and we as fans would be better served if you just supported the UTES because you surely are not a Cougar fan

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Once again we just beat ourselves and the refs made us loose.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Oct. 14, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    I thought it was a great game. Riley did a fine job and would have been better with a few less dropped passes. I even liked the play calling. But a tough day for the defense. Hated that pass interference call near the end. Very disheartening and we were in it until then.

    Let's see an upset of Notre Dame.

  • jdaliix Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    BYU's defense was so highly ranked because it hadn't actually played anybody, Utah and Utah State included. A few weeks earlier it took everything Utah State had to beat a mediocre Utah team who was also playing badly. It was predictable that a good team would come in and pretty much run over BYU. This wasn't a defensive collapse - it was just what to expect. Notre Dame will do the same thing, and possibly Georgia Tech. The state of football in the State of Utah is pretty disappointing, but I am glad to see Utah State improve on that program, having over the weekend thoroughly thrashed a San Jose State team that lost to Stanford by only 3 earlier in the season.

    So, then, go Jazz! (I mean, what else have we got?)

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    @kcougfan considering they let you back in the game what does that say about your horrible team????

  • kcougfan Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Hey Bleed Crimson...when Colorado beats you again this year are you still going to make your bold posts...??? Considering you beat us by 3 and we handed you turnovers...what does that say for your mighty crimson clad utes...???

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Y fans, stop the sugarcoating please. Let's face the truth, BYU is pathetic. Starting with the coaches (Doman HAS to go) and the quarterback. I feel for some good players on the team but poorly coached. When did BYU start becoming an option team? or the quarterback running the ball thirty percent of the time? I see the word "Tradition" written on the field and everywhere - what is BYU's football tradition? PASS, PASS and [they] came to PASS! Please let's get back to that! Look at all the dominating teams in college football now - they're all passing while BYU is trying to run the option. Holmoe please let's get back to BYU's PASS TRADITION!! What puzzles me is you recruit good tight ends and great receivers and yet you give the quarterback the freedom in his running tendencies. Also, all major conferences are slowly losing interest in BYU because of its lackluster performances.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Spokane Utesie depressingly lamented...

    "It's a sad state of affairs; both BYU and Utah are average at best. Sad."

    Well as a Cougar fan I'm not taking anti-depressants quite yet. I'm coping quite well, thank you very much. BYU will win some more games as the offense showed some improvement. The play calling seemed a little more varied.

    Yes, we will have to endure the 'Oh Riley factor' but if the effect can be mitigated we see some hope. Short passes and shuttle passes seem to do well. Glad to see some success with these plays.

    As for your Utes... they are now less than average. 4-9 appears to be trendsetting.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson, please tell us how your beloved Utes' season is any better. Are you mad that you couldn't beat one of the cupcakes BYU did? Yup, you beat BYU, which despite all Ute fan's and Chris Hill etc. claims of your being beyond the rivalry is obviously still the biggest game on your schedule. Congrats on getting up for that one game each year and your awesome 4-9 record in the PAC.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 14, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    So BYU's defense gave up 35 points and the team is blaming it on things not bouncing their way? More like unprepared yet again.

    It wasn't so much that they lost - OSU is a top ten team, but it was the way that they lost. This is the first time this season that BYU has faced a real passing threat, and we all saw what happened. I think the defense is a bit overrated, although the run D is legit. The game against ND next week isn't going to be pretty.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 14, 2012 6:41 a.m.

    Let's be real about the quarterback situation. Riley Nelson is not a good passer so it's time to give Lark a chance like Hatch suggested. I was also very surprised at how much time the other quarterback had in their pocket to make passes. It was very disappointing to see that because I thought our defense was better than that. Looks like this season is already shaping up to be another same old same the patsies and struggles against real competition. I dream of the day when we can win consistently against tough competition. Will it ever happen? Yes I'm excited to see tough opponents in our future schedule but I fear it may only result in giving us a kind of exposure we don't want nor need and give the haters more reasons to hurl insults at us.

    Go Cougars! I'm still rooting hard for your luck to change.......soon I hope!

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    BYU has nothing to feel badly about. They played a good game. OSU is simply a better team and a better program. All the analysis in the world won't change that. The better team won, which is the way it is supposed to be.

  • GoBanana PROVO, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 2:52 a.m.

    @Bleed Crimson

    Alas! Utah's streak of 6 win seasons is on the line...

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 1:39 a.m.

    and utes going to become winless in pac12 - ask Chris B.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 14, 2012 12:43 a.m.

    Goood to see Riley is back in form. Seven interceptable passes or was it 8, 2 fumbles or was it 3. There is no hope as long as this guy is playing.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Once again! BYU can beat all the cupcakes on their schedule and lose to all the good teams. The Cougs proud "10 win season" streak is on the line.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    I thought Riley did well. But look what Oregon State did with a pocket passer. Lark got ripped off plain and simple. Make things right and give him a chance. Help us feel good about being Cougar fans again.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    It's a sad state of affairs; both BYU and Utah are average at best. Sad.