High school football: State tournament pairings

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  • Amazed Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:24 a.m.

    Watch out for WX - the 20+ year monkey is off their backs, and you cannot ignore the momentum factor in sports. WX now plays where they live.

  • Sportsfan#1 Spanish Fork , UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    On his biggest off day of the season, he still managed to score. Underestimating this kids strength, speed, and elusiveness on the gridiron could really kill anyone in the long run. The poise and cuts that this kid makes are truly legendary, godlike if you will. He is the best runningback in the state hands down.

  • mykaljordan draper, ut
    Oct. 18, 2012 2:22 p.m.


    I think Logan if Im correct was able to stop your STAR runnin back. If SF does end up playig JD I know you will surprised but the JD Defense. It doesnt matter how many yards you gain, or passes you catch, if you cant get in the endzone it wont make a difference,juat ask Grangers STAR running back..JD will be the hardest team for anyone to beat this year, and if you want the 3A title it goes through JD..


  • Sportsfan#1 Spanish Fork , UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    You heard it here first, the 3A state tournament will be completely ran through by Spanish Fork just because of the STAR running back Braxton Argyle. There is no one that can compare with his sheer and raw ability on the gridion.

  • SportsFan1 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    East should be on probation this year and not allowed to participate in the State Tourney,,The should be the ruling

  • jozzy55 minersville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    san juan has had more than one test. the game with Beaver was 6 to 0 at the end of 3rd quarter. then san juan scored twice in the 4th to get the 20 to 0 win. san juan is definatley the team to beat in 2A but Manti, millard south summit and Beaver all have a chance, but would have to play nearly perfect to beat the Broncos

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Easy fix....Too many teams get into the playoffs....

    Top three from each Region should be allowed to fight on. How many 2-8 or 3-7 get to continue the misery of playing football for another week. Top three teams from each region finish with a winning record, and can compete with the top region teams. Why do we continue this madness, too many soft minded people at the UHSAA!

    Teams from the FBS and NFL work their butt off to have that bye in the first round. Why not reward the Region Champs with a bye, then play teams that compete rather than the 40 point blow out wins in the first round of the playoffs?

  • Boys of Fall Fillmore, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    ABITOUTSIDE- I do feel Emery has a good team, but have a hard time playing all 4 quarters against the better competition. I agree IF they can play the whole game against SJ I think they have a chance of winning. It will be interresting to see how that game goes because it will be SJ's 1st real challenge since week 1. I give the edge to SJ since they are at home & Emery has shown they have a big let down in the second half against the better teams. So, it will be close at half time, but unless Emery changes some things they will again fold in the second half.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    bigbenzo and 2020
    (Herriman lovers)

    you seem to really feel that we all should bow down to the all mightynew Herriman,


    You say there the #1 ranked offense, yes they have the most points scored.

    Here is some stats for your lovely team.

    Combined record of Region teams, 17-28 not one team besides yours has a winning record.
    5-4 skyline (who won 4 games in its own region, including against Herriman)
    5-4 Olympus (who won 4 games in its own region, 1 elseware,
    You lost to 5A Riverton after talking all year that you should of won lsat year and will win this year, but again DIDNT.

    You complain about the East first game, you cant be serious, did Juan DIEGO get mad they won region in baseball last year, Snow canyon ranked #1 in 3A has to vacate region wins, gets the 4th seed, and beats region champ JD
    (o and JD didnt have to win a 3 way Coin Flip)

    You would of played east in semis and lost,

    Wait, your time will come, your little league program is THE BIGGEST in state, youll have your time.

    Oct. 16, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    Boys of Fall, your post are usually dead on, however, if Emery decides to play 4 quarters they will be in Cedar, but that is a big it, they are as good as any team. San Juan I have no idea what they will be like, it will be interesting to see how these first round match ups play out. I think Millards line is better than last year, your skill players are the same bunch, but you have a big powerful back.

  • Boys of Fall Fillmore, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    ABITOUTSIDE - I don't know about being better than last years team, but these boys have really pulled together through some adversity at the start of the season. Good group of kids. Had a pretty good game against a good (but in my opinion, not as good as last years) Manti team. If they could have limited their turnovers the 1st half the game might have been a little closer. I think if they play to their potential they can be competitive with anyone in 2A, but there are a few really good team out there that could take it. My prediction to make it to SUU though are Manti/Millard and SJ/S.Summit.
    Then the ?'s will be:
    1) Will Millard finally be able to get then Templar monkey off their back or will Manti dominate Millard in the playoffs again.
    2) Will S. Summit finally be able to get the Bronco monkey off their back or will SJ continue to bring out the worst in the Wildcats.

    Oct. 16, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    JD I hope you are not banking on Millard being down, they are better than last years team. Millard will win by 30 plus on Friday. SS has been worked all year against the middle of the pack 2A teams, and against the better teams in the 2A south they have been beat by 4-5 touchdowns. Millard is really good and will make it to Cedar.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    Yes, yankees 27, you are right these balances occur all the time. Thankfully, wrestling has done some things to balance the brackets but this isn't possible per se in team sports as constituted. The other thing I could suggest that would be easily doable is that the region champs be ranked 1-4. Past that it is a mess and not needed (to rank all 16 teams). Once the region champs are ranked use a formula or bracket that would indicate these rankings. Again, pretty easy and doable and fair.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Bear..You need to look at the facts. SS Rams have beaten No. Sevier and Gunnison multiple times over the last few years. This is a great senior class and I think the Millard will be in for a big surprise. As far as hoops goes, SS could compete favorably in 5A.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    @ JD Books,

    I don't think you could say that Millard is too far down this year. They lost to South Summit and Manti two the of top four in 2A. The trophy is still up for grabs but South Sevier will need some really long arms to reach it. I would not put South Sevier on the level of Manti or South Summit, they are more on the level of ALA, N. Sevier and Gunnison that Millard beat by a combined 145-23. After Thursday it will be time for Race and the boys to defend their championship.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    I wouldn't normally comment but I think people need to remember that Millard is down this year. Sure, the rams have been up and down but these seniors have a lot of pride and a coach who is used to winning. It's not hoops yet, the gold trophy is still up for grabs in 2A football!

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Beeno...where did I come up with the statement? Read 20/20's comment.

    I just would want 20/20 coaching my kids at Heriman if all he wanted to do is dodge teams. You have to go thru East anyway...if it were me I would want to play them at home instead of at a neutral site. Just thought his tail between his legs whining about playing East was funny.

    I would take the Skyline head coaches approach. We know our fate from the coin flip, now let's go play. We have to play stiff competition home or on road so bring it on. That's the attitude to have....

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2012 12:54 a.m.

    justaroundthecorner- um, read the bracket. How they ended up there is because there are 2 #1 seeds, winners from region 10 and 11 (JD and Stansbury) and Hurricane is a #2 from R9. The other side of the bracket will have R9 and R12 #1's DH and Spanish. Overall records count for nothing, it's the region wins/losses that determine your seed in the playoffs. This is the way it's done and has been done for quite awhile. Some years it seems unfair to some, but it is what it is.

    JD and Hurricane quarterfinals game would be awesome right?

  • G Felt Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    RE: East and Region 6.

    I have no idea what will happen in Tuesday's hearing with East using ineligible players, but if East has to forfeit four region wins, then Woods Cross is 1st (4-1 with Bountiful but won the head to head), Bountiful is 2nd (4-1), Highland 3rd (3-2 - that OT loss to the Braves would cost the Rams top seed - ouch) and Cyprus 4th (2-3). East would drop to 1-4, tied with Clearfield and out of the playoffs.

    No coin flip needed.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    @oldtimeftballer - Where are coming up with this??? Who ever said that Herriman only wanted to go far and feel good about it??? Herriman is out to get that 4A Championship Ring!!! As it stands now...all roads go through East. Herriman will play East at home or away...Herriman will play East in the 1st round or the Championship game!!!

    Herriman has #1 scoring offense in the state and the #21 scoring defense in the state. Your comment about a "program that has never won anything" is ignorant. The school is only in its 3rd year. Herriman did in its 1st year what no school in Utah 5A history has ever done...go to the playoffs!!! Last year we won our 1st playoff game and this year we won our 1st Region Title and earned our 1st #1 seed. Not bad for 3 years!!!

    I'm not sure what team you represent...but if you have a team...then use this forum to uplift them and don't worry about Herriman...they will be fine!!!

    @footballisgood - that's good info. I hope East plays....because I think Herriman can compete with them!!!

  • G Felt Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    RE: Coin flips - eagle covered that very well. A few years ago, the coin flip winner did get third and the other two played off for fourth. But that changed for the reasons eagle cited. It's an automatic berth, but a lower seed, without no region playoff game vs. a higher seed, but an extra game.

    RE: Region 8 #5 vs 6 #4 play-in game. Bulldog72 covered that. According to the 2013 realignment guidelines, each region within a classification shall qualify the same number of teams or individuals for post season, regardless of region size. So that would get rid of that silly play-in game. Let's hope the UHSAA sticks to that.

    One goal of the two-year realignment process is to make every region within a classification the same size and have the same number of teams qualify. Originally, 4A regions were the same size, but the Utah County schools wanted to stay together and not have to travel to Salt Lake. So Region 8 grew to eight schools. There was discussion that only four teams should qualify, but the Executive Committee which oversees the bracketing process decided to allow a fifth team.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    @oldtimeftballer: It's common sense to want to play what may well be the best team in the state as deep in the playoffs as possible. I don't want East out, I just want them where they belong, in 1st place. That whole region is excellent and there are no guarantees that Herriman gets out of the 1st round against Bountiful, Woods Cross or Highland. Our program is only in its 3rd year, so ya, we haven't won anything. We were the 1st 5A team to make the playoffs in their 1st year. You would have to know something about Herriman before you could forget something about Herriman. It seems you're either just trying to pick a fight, or ignorant.

    @footballisgood: Thanks for pointing that out. Its a relief. But I would feel bad for those kids if that happened to East.

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 6:28 p.m.


    Haha. I forgot Herriman just wants to go far and feel good about it.

    What does it matter if you play East first, second or Championship? You still have to play and beat them.

    Big Deal. Unless you want some sort of moral victory which sounds like it comes from a fan of a program that has never won anything.....

  • Publius19 Provo, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    @ Bear

    You must never have seen Richfield play, they are probably the most penalized team in the state, even at home. Also most the refs from the central area are from Salina and have a strong bias against Richfield. I guess at least it was not a whine they will win because they are bigger.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Beaver/Gunnison - I agree with Boys of Fall, Beaver has progressed beyond Gunnison. Beaver 34 Gunnison 6
    Millard/S. Sevier - Sorry JD Books but the Rams will not be hoisting any gold trophies for football, but there is always basketball. Millard 42 S. Sevier 13
    Emery/Kanab - Coach Jones will get a home coming game at San Juan. Emery 31 Kanab 19
    Richfield/N.Summit - I will have to give Richfield the home field (ref) advantage on this one. Richfield 27 N. Summit 20
    Best of luck to all the teams and leave it all on the field. No regrets!

  • footballisgood Holladay, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    2020, you are wrong, because if East vacates all but Highland, that means that Cyprus would gain another region win, and that would then give them two region wins as opposed to East's one, which would put Cyprus in free and clear

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    I've heard that East my have to forfeit all of their games, except the last one because of the eligibility issues. I'm in Herriman, and if that happens, it's a bunch of garbage. East would play Cyprus in a play-in game, win, win the play-in game with Region VIII, and Herriman would play them in the first round. Winning a region championship (and a fortunate flip of the coin in this case) is supposed to "reward" you by playing the lowest seed to make the playoffs from the region that you crossover with.

    I hope region VI and the UHSAA doesn't punish Herriman, by punishing East in that regard. Especially because it doesn't seem as if East was cheating to get a competetive advantage. Look at Juan Diego and Snow Canyon in baseball last year. That is exactly what happened to them. Juan Diego got stuck playing Snow Canyon in the first round because of this very scenario. Snow Canyon won and JD had to go through the losers bracket to get another shot at them in the state finals. It may have ended differently if JD hadn't gotten the shaft.

    Oct. 15, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    Where is Juab? Good thing you have Carbon, you should be able to run the score up and prove your dominance once again.

  • justaroundthecorner DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    How does Stansbury (Undefeated), Juan Diego (Undefeated), and Hurricane with one loss all end up in the same lower bracket?

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    @UtahBruin - Herriman is #1 seed, Olympus is #2 seed, Skyline is #3 seed and Westlake is #4 seed.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    Mammoth- that "imbalance" happens all the time in playoffs. It seems every year there is a tougher region and it usually changes every few years. Football, basketball, baseball, they all have tougher regions in cycles. It does kind of suck when the top or bottom half are loaded or unbalanced, but it's what the system is and has been. I remember a few years back in 3A basketball, Wasatch and Morgan were both having amazing seasons with like 1 loss between them, they met in the Semis, although it was clearly the championship game. However, Wasatch won, then lost the next day to a spunky Tooele team. I think the day before had drained the wasps emotionally, but that's how it happens sometimes. Oh, and don't count out the Wasps, I think they match up way better against DH than most would think. It will be close, but Wasatch will win by 6

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    The play in game is a result of the UHSAA giving in to Springville after they said that 3A/4A was set, which then gave Region 8 and extra team. Part of the reason for having the regions as they were was to eliminate these types of games. Then, Region 8 whined that since they had more teams, they should get another one in to the playoffs. So now, the 4A regions (Region 7 had its turn last year) have to take turns every year accommodating Region 8 in a play-in and then turn around and have to play a #1 seed on a short week.
    That about covers it.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    About the weird differences between rankings and seeds...that's just how it is. Since rankings are often simply a best guess, and arguments can be mode for and against all sorts of ideas (think BCS) Utah uses region places to seed the championships. Since ties are possible, and teh breaking of those ties is pretty simplistic, it does make the first round or two a bit strange, and sometimes bigger games are played in the semis than in the finals, but in the end, you gotta win 'em all to be the champions.

    I grew up in Oregon...my senior year my team lost only two games in a 10 team region, went 9-3 overall, and still didn't go to state, as only the top two in region went. Utah obviously has a very different system, when 2/3rds of the teams (or more) can qualify for state.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    Sorry, I miss read the pairing the way it was typed. Herriman or the Region 7 #1 does not have a play in game. But in any case, why is a legit #4 seed out of Region 6 have to play a crappy Salem Hills or Springville team to get into t he playoffs. Seed the teams and get on with it already.

    Thanks BigBenzo88 - Do you know who got the two and three seeds between Skyline and Olympus?

  • OneManWolfPack St George, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    White Knight Dixie lost to SC which DHills destroyed. Your theory is completely confusing! Head to head should always take care of equal records. Hurricane and Desert Hills both are 4-1 if they should end up 5-1 then the head to head should take care of the tie. I know Dixie beat DH but now that Dixie has lost its second game their record will stand at 4-2 because of their bye this week. If Snow Canyon beats PV then SC and Dixie will be tied at 4-2 then SC would be 3rd seed and Dixie would be 4th seed because of the head to head record. If PV beats SC then PV is 4 and Dixie would be 3rd.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    @UtahBruin - Herriman just won the coin toss and has the #1 seed for Region 7. We don't have a play-in game....we will play the winner of the play-in game of Region 6 #4 and Region 8 #5. Westlake finished as the #4 seed in Region 7 and will play the #1 seed in Region 6.

  • Mammoth St. George, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    The brackets this year in 3a seem to be a little imbalanced as far as tougher competition. Really its just chance I guess. Based on the bracket the UHSAA had posted last week, in the upper bracket you've got Spanish Fork, Desert Hills and lower bracket Juan Diego, Hurricane, Stansbury and Dixie. I would say Spanish and Desert Hills has an easier road to the Championship game. I predict, PV will win this Wednesday, and PV will give Spanish Fork a good game, but will lose to SF in the first round. I predict Desert Hills will beat North Sanpete in Round 1, Wasatch in Round 2, and play SF in Semis. I think SF is the more balanced team this year. In the other bracket, its too bad we'll see JD and Hurricane in the 2nd round, but Juan Diego will win and play Dixie in the Semis, but they will win, and play SF for the state championship, and I predict Juan Diego to win it all.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    Will someone please explain to me how the Region 7 #1 has to have a play in game? Are you kidding me. I am a Westlake parent and support the Thunder (God help us at East in the first round) But why is the #1 having a play in game with a #5 finisher. Why not make the #5 and Westlake have the play in game. This is a huge problem with the UHSAA playoff system, you only have 16 teams, rank them for crying out loud so that we don't have the championship game in the Quarters and Semis anymore. I am sorry, but Westlake finished 3 and 6, they should not be in the playoffs.

  • Boys of Fall Fillmore, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    sjhsports from what it looks like, it appears you are right. I was hoping Beaver would win the flip because I'd much rather drive to Beaver than Moab.
    Here's how I see this week going in 2A:
    Beaver/Gunnison- Rematch of week 2 that saw the Beavers winning in OT. This game won't be that close. Since then it appears the Beavers have got better & the Bulldogs haven't improved much during the year. Beaver 35 Gunnison 14
    Millard/S. Sevier- Hate to dissappoint JD Books but this game isn't going to be close & the Rams can start concentrating on basketball. Millard 42 S. Sevier 7
    Emery/Kanab- Emery seems to play good football, but only the 1st half. Against the top 3 teams in the North Emery was either tied or winning at halftime. But, were then outscored a combined 77-21 in all 3 losses. Emery 35 Kanab 21
    Richfield/N.Summit- Should be the closest game with neither team really dominating any of their games. Richfield 28 N. Summit 21

    Good luck to all the teams. Have fun!!! It's almost over so enjoy the time you have to play.

  • White Knight Kanab, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    Yankee. I know that is how it will come out. But, I still think that with d-hills losing to dixie, that loss should put them in a tie with hurricane. So with both losing once, they should do a coin flip.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 12:51 a.m.

    Juan, but DH beat Hurricane, and that works as the tie breaker. No coin flip needed

  • juan val dez Kanab, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 11:49 p.m.

    Region 9 in 3a needs to have a coin flip. Both d-hills and hurricane have the same region record.

  • sjhsports Blanding, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    South coin flip. Beaver is by far is the second best team in the 2A south region. To bad it came down to the flip.

  • Digs Dickshooter, ID
    Oct. 14, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    I'm guessing the 5A bracket will look like this.
    Riverton @ Alta
    Viewmont @ Syracuse
    Fremont @ Hunter
    Brighton @ Bingham
    Davis @ Kearns
    Cwood @ LP
    PG @ Jordan
    Granger @ Northridge

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    If the three teams have no other criteria to separate them like head to head wins it is pretty typical in a three-way tie for two playoff berths that the "winner" of the coin toss gets the fourth seed. The advantage of this is your automatically in the playoffs while the winner of the play-in game gets the third seed. However, the loser is out altogether. If there was a tie for fourth place between three teams for one berth, what would happen is the winner of the coin toss would get a bye. The losers would play a half of football. The winner would advance to play the winner of the coin toss and they would then play a half with the winner moving on to the playoffs. If there is a three-way tie for second place with three berths, if it is a situation where they all beat each other than they would flip coins. If there is a situation where the tie can be broken with head-to-head criteria then that would be used.

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    I can only speculate that it's because with the coin toss they are free and clear with a playoff spot, whereas the other two teams have to play to decide theirs, so they give one of them the #3 spot. But honestly, I don't know. Maybe George Felt can enlighten us, if he's reading this?

  • footballfan8 Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    Not really a big fan of fremont just curious of why they gotn a 4 seed instead of the 3 for the coin toss

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Are you really complaining about Fremont drawing Hunter or Granger? I mean, if Fremont can't handle either of them in the first round then their chances in the post season aren't looking good anyway.

  • Hagatha Ogden, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    I know, right? Doesn't make sense to me either footballfan8. They should go in as 3rd and the others should have a play-in for fourth.

  • footballfan8 Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Wait so fremont wins the toss and gets the 4th seed while layton and davis fight for the 3rd seed?