Dick Harmon: BYU football: Riley Nelson has a chance to prove critics wrong

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  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 16, 2012 4:48 a.m.

    Dick knowing how much you care about the Cougars and the football program it's time to take the lead in advocating what has to be done; replacing Brandon Doman with a real offensive coordinator who can take us back to the historic passing attack. It's clear the man is incompetent the job is just too big for someone with so little experience. A Steve Kragthorpe would be what a Cats need, a steady hand with no need to reinvent himself each year. The guy did it at Tulsa he can do it at BYU.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 15, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Got his chance. Failed.

  • Truth Seeker Zion, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    @ HCB63

    You have one thing wrong with your predictions. I don't think BYU will score the extra point.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    Riley and Doman are so dang awesome.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    If Nelson has a fractured vertebral transverse process, he probably shouldn't be playing football in this game or any other until the fracture heals, which normally takes six weeks--longer if he remains athletically mobile. His throwing motion hampered, he will be tempted to run more and risks aggravation of the injury. Lark should stay warmed up and ready to play--he will probably finish the season. And, given a real chance, he may prove to be just what the Cougars need-a quarterback who can find an open receiver.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Oct. 13, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    BYU fans are the most fickle, fair weather fans around.
    Harmon's stories that read like Sunday school lessons can't hide the discontent in an enthusiastic but unrealistic fan base. Teams lose and people make mistakes.
    Com'on Cougs, give your young men and the coaching staff your support.

    It appears sometimes you guys have a hard time separating your faith from your football.
    Just sayin......

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 13, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    BYU has a ton of talent at wide receiver and tight end that is languishing in obscurity. Heaps took the heat for BYU's offensive woes last year. This year it's Riley. The play calling is straight out of the 80's Nebraska/Oklahoma option playbook and doesn't utilize the talents of some of the best athletes on the field. Get it in to the hands of Apo who is a big, fast, Michael Irvin type receiver. Hoffman and Falslev are possession guys that run great routes and have good hands. The dump offs to the tight end were a game changer last were a game changer last week.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 13, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    It matters not. Riley can't throw, panics quickly, is short, and slow. Doman is not the right person for his job. We need an experienced offensive coordinator and someone learning on the job. At the rate Doman is learning it will take years.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    Riley Nelson, my hee-roh, has as much chance of beating a hot Oregon State team as I do.
    No, Nelson will suck it up again...what a surprise that will be...and he will be blaming pretty much everything but himself, or his lack of qb abilities. My prediction for the game:
    Score 32-7 OSU
    Nelson Turnovers 5 (3 fumbles, 2 int's)
    Passes 5-23 (24 yds)
    Nelson Rushes 15 runs for -16 yds
    Ttl Hee-roh Offense 8 yards.

    The one BYU score will be from a defensive Pick 6.
    I think the numbers will be worse than this, which makes this prediction optomistic.

    I can only hope that the game will be this bad. I need a good laugh today, and watching Nelson, "the Savior of BYU football" get his but kicked will be hilarious!

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    wow Dick Harmon,

    14 Points for BYU souds like you have a lot of confidence in Riley Nelson.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 12:02 a.m.

    Chris B you are a putty cat. You follow BYU as much as BYU fans. If only Cougar Nation were as faithful as you. BYU would win more games with more athletic supporters like yourself. Your positive commentary reminds me of at least one Brad Paisley song.

    Go Cougars and Utes. Show us what you've got because we don't have anything better to do other than watch your games and argue about who has the worst coaches.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Oct. 12, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    Doesn't matter which QB plays at BYU. None of them will succeed because the team doesn't even practice the passing game. One dimensional running QB's fail against ranked teams, at mid level talent schools.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    I love reading UsU fans comments on BYU's board. It's bad enough to deal with Chris talking out of both sides of his mouth.

    Be realistic Cougar Nation. Riley can't win this game tomorrow. It's up to the defense. Even Chris knows opposing defenses key in on Riley's obvious weaknesses. Maybe if the offense scores 10 points BYU could win by 3.

    Utah will lose by at least 10 tomorrow. Enjoy the WACing Chris.
    Jenny do you think you could get Sports Nutz to add his two cents also?

  • Jenny83 Logan, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    Without Manion OSU is not even a top 25 team. BYU is pathetic if they can't beat them at home.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    A win over OSU may not be enough. He is the only senior QB in recent years to lose to uTah. Along with his other loss, the many turnovers he is responsible for. But more importantly his lack of leadership in playing hurt. He will have to play the rest of the year and not lose. But with Domans injure the QB play calling he is just one victory formation or lack of it from ending his season.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 12, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    So we will see Lark as starter for Norte Dame. Riley won't last. Even if he survives and wins OSU is without its starting qb which taints this game.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    Has Chris B ever predicted a score that had BYU ahead of their opponent, or Utah below theirs? I don't think so.

    Chris B is 13-22 since last year in football predictions alone, so with those odds BYU has a rather high chance to win tomorrow.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    Go Beavers, from a Ute fan! LOL

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Chris B has all but guaranteed a victory for the Cougars! I was worried before but after his unbiased analysis, I am now totally confident that the Cougars will win! His track record speaks for itself!

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    I am one Reilly doubter. I'd love it if he proved me wrong against Oregon State. I'm not silly enough to make wild predictions but some in this Comments section LOVE to boldly predict arrogantly again and again after being wrong again and again. Yes, oh vain one, we "marked your words" and you're mostly wrong. Instead I'll just go to the game tomorrow and cheer and hope.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Oct. 12, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    Hmmmm. "Riley Nelson can disprove a theory his critics regularly throw at him — that he is not physically capable of leading BYU's offense to a win over a quality, ranked, respected opponent" I don't think he needs to. Oklahoma (#3) & Miami (#1) aside, when has any BYU Quarterback beaten a team ranked this high? This game will not change Riley's legacy as a "gamer." He's nothing more, nothing less. His football career will be over at the end of this season and then it's on to "real job/career" time. Interesting take, Mr. Harmon. You make it seem like Riley's entire legacy comes down to this one game. I just don't see it that way. With that being said, BYU has far from shown the ability to beat such a quality opponent this season. I like my Cougs, but I put this game at 17-9 Beavers.

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    If you say "we need to keep Riley healthy", that means run less.

    If he runs less, you take away Riley's effectiveness.

    That's is the essence of Doman's philosophy and approach. The inherent nature of that philosophy is to beat up and jeopardize the health and effectiveness of the most important player on your team.

    Fault Bronco (who I really do like) for exhibiting poor judgement in allowing a rookie OC (and mediocre QB) to have so much latitude.

    No one can keep a QB perfectly healthy. Period. Basing our entire livelihood on the above perspective . . . ?

    Well, we can see how that's turning out . . .

    Plus, Don't prospects say, "BYU is only recruiting running QBs, I'll look elsewhere"? Weird.

  • Glad to be Retired Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    Have we forgotten how thrilled and supportive we were when Riley replaced a failing Jake Heaps?

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    I think BYU has enough to win this game, especially with Mannion out. Everyone at LES will be cheering for Riley Nelson, but if he turns it over and loses the game, I fear the boo birds will be out in force. I still think Doman's idea of creating a system that calls run plays for QBs is a very poor decision. I'm all for having mobile QBs who can scramble, as long as they can throw. The long term bet given the # of good QBs who want to come to BYU is on a strong passing attack, with short yardage mixed in heavily as a near-running play.

    My predictions: BYU wins this OSU game by a few, but doesn't score 20. Riley gets hit enough that he is banged up for ND next week, but he will still play. He will turn the ball over and get pulled, but too late for a BYU Lark-led comeback in South Bend (the defense will keep that game close though).

  • MyCommon2Sense Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 12, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    So, the fans realize that Doman isn't cutting it, from this article (and several other local writers) it is clear that the sports beat writers realize that Doman and his offense isn't cutting it. Is the last person to realize that Doman and his ill-concieved offense won't cut it is Bronco?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Provo critics wrong?


    Because a 1-5 record against good teams would proove doubters wrong?


  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Riley's success embodies perfectly what is byu.

    Very dominant over WAC teams, gives hope(albeit false) everywhere to cougar fans that a national championship is not far off.

    0 - whatever(and acounting) against good teams.

    My guess is after OSU handles riley and byu, all byu fans will be calling for a new QB and new offense coordinator

    The Notre Dame game will be a blood bath.

    OSU 24
    byu 6

    utah 30
    UCLA 21

    Notre dame 40
    byu 10

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 12, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Personally, I liked Riles with a silky, flowing mane. It was dreamy. I think he may have lost some of his powers when he cut his hair. Wait, we're talking about football???

    All Riles has to do is pound the beavers and we'll forget about all the damage he has done.