Joe Biden and Paul Ryan VP debate a draw, pundits say on Twitter

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    To "freedomingood" That is a great idea, except that states like New York would want to simply remove New York City, then join the Republican states. You realize that the republican states would soon have balanced budgets, and would have significant economic growth.

    Meanwhile, the Democrat states would soon implode and want to rejoin the Republican states.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Biden is the Vice President of the USA. Not a TV or radio commentator.He interrupted Ryan 80+ times. He was loud, insulting and arrogantly either smirked or laughed constantly. Only the most die hard liberal partisan would say Mitt Romney's assertive yet polite debate demeanor compared to Biden's over-the-top boisterous behavior.It was amazing that Paul Ryan was able to express his ideas as well as he did while being constantly interrupted. Is this mockery the standard for liberals in politics?

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    Most comical report on the debate:

    Rush Limbaugh saying that "Biden was loud, rude, and overbearing." Consider the source of that comment!

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    For me Biden likely did more damage to himself vis-a-vis undecided or independent voters, with his more frequent and more lengthy interruptions and disruptions during the debate and his sustained expressions of ridicule during most of Ryan's statements.

    Still I noticed that Biden seemed sincere, rather knowledgeable, and interested, when the conversatio turned to foreign affairs. Instead of just wide toothy grins at Ryan's opinions and statements, Biden seemed to listen intently and seriously when the Middle East wars were brought up, and then followed up with serious statements regarding the issues surrounding these wars. His conclusions were not new but usually appeared both sound and genuine; get troops out of Afghanistan, for instance, as Afghans are trained to fully take on their own military obligations.

    Ryan was much more convincing on financial matters which Biden didn't seem to comprehend very deeply. On this and other important matters Ryan sounded generally savvy, well informed and smart.

    Neither man mentioned the Supreme Law of the Land, however, except Ryan when discussing abortion and the 'right to life' and the First Amendment rights of religion and prohibition of Congressional interference in religious matters.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    I say we put a string accross the middle of the country. Just dissolve the union. All those republican govenors that wanted to succeed from the union 4 years ago can go ahead now.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    Romney set the bar pretty low for interrupting last week and he wasn't going to let lyin ryan do what mitt did.
    Biden looked like a leader while ryan looked confused when called on mit and his lies.

    "arrogant and rude" did you watch the presidential debate, mitt was a CEO bully who is used to having his way and it showed.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Vice President Biden presented precise and accurate facts and figures. Ryan obfuscated and produced wild flights of rhetoric with no substance, together with lies about the administration's positions and programs. On substance, the Vice President clearly won.

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 6:22 a.m.

    My English teachers taught me that the most important words of a sentence are __ ___ ___. If they are cut off, the listener or reader has no idea ____ ___ ___ ______ __ ___.

    Yet in political debate and in some talk shows, opponents and hosts interrupt, leaving ___ ________ __ _______ ____ ___ __________ __ ___ _______.

    Mr. Biden should be ashamed __ _______.

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    Joe Biden was horrible tonight. It is a shame that our Vice President behaves the way that he did tonight towards Paul Ryan. I am sorry but I think that he lost the debate and more than like the election. He was arrogant and rude with his smirk and laughing when Paul Ryan was talking. If I had done that to someone my parents would have slapped me so hard across the face that I would never do that again. If any of my children were to treat someone like that they would probably get a an ear full from me and would know that it is unacceptable in treating someone like that. I really do think now that Mitt Romney is going to be out next President.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 12:21 a.m.

    Well, when you have liberal pundits saying one thing and conservative pundits saying the other, it is not surprising that you have a stalemate. Those who liked Joe Biden going in, liked him coming out and thought he did really well. Those who liked Paul Ryan going in, liked him coming out and thought he did really well. Those who liked Joe Biden, didn't like Paul Ryan. Those who liked Paul Ryan, didn't like Joe Biden.

    So what's new?

    The primary difference between the first presidential debate and the only vice-presidential debate is that in the first presidential debate, conservatives praised Romeny as the winner, while in the only vice-presidential debate, conservatives criticized Biden. There is something very telling in how they focused their attention in the two debates.

    Where they were exceedingly happy with Romney's performance in the first presidential debate, there is not the same enthusiasm about Ryan's performance in the only vice-presidential debate. Now this may be because vice-presidential debates don't mean very much. However, Republican emphasis on Biden's exasperation and his displays of frustration may be a key to how the debate worries them.