VP debate: Joe Biden, Paul Ryan at each other on everything

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    CP said: The reason being is because I have been living in this healthcare nightmare created by Obama.

    Please elaborate where Obamacare has driven the costs higher? Your cost must have never risen when there was no Obamacare right? My health insurance was going up 30 to 40 percent a year with less and less coverage before Obama even took office so once again please tell us how Obamacare is driving the price up?

    Chris from Rose Park said: "The majority of the people I associate with are middle/lower class and I know plenty of them that want the Romney plan more than the Obama plan."

    Guess it's who you associate with, since I hear the exact opposite or I hear some uninformed of fox informed person who got an email that is a complete lie but was too lazy to even snopes it.

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    @ SS

    I read all of your posts in their entirety and I agree with what you have said. Biden didn't "clean Ryan's clock" tonight..he was sharp and I will say honest. The reason being is because I have been living in this healthcare nightmare created by Obama..our presciptions have gone up, doctor bills, etc. all have risen so much it's terible..so Biden can't say that he and his sidekick Obama have helped there..and my husband has tried for more then a year to find a second job to help pay all these skyrocketed medical bills and without success..so where's the jobs promised..there aren't any!!!

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    Biden conceded Republicans indeed have a plan, but he said if it were enacted, it would have "eviscerated all the things the middle class care about."

    It's statements like this, from our nation's current leaders, that drive me crazy. I am middle class. The majority of the people I associate with are middle/lower class and I know plenty of them that want the Romney plan more than the Obama plan. This convinces me that Obama and his team do not really understand what the middle class wants. He knows what a portion of them want and he knows what he wants them to want.

    If you are part of the portion of people the president understands then go ahead and vote for him. That's why we vote. However, please never say he's the only one caring about the middle class because Romney inspires me to work to achieve my goals and he gives me the hope that my effort will pay off.

    Growing up in a family under the poverty line and now in middle class circumstances, I support Mitt because, in my opinion, his philosophies promote greater growth than Obama's.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    @ KJB1,

    I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. My point is that both Ryan and Biden did what they came to do and there was no clear debate winner. So yes you can be excited about Biden's performance, but Republicans are as equally excited about Ryan's performance. It wasn't anything like last week when the president really did get it handed to him. So don't put the cart before the horse just because Biden did what he was expected to do.

    That was my point KJB1, any questions? Please read an entire post before you ask a question that is answered simply by reading the whole post. Thanks!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    How can Democrats offer any type of assurance that they want to reduce government spending and reign in the deficit spending with a straight face? The Democratic Senate has failed to even propose a budget for over 3 years. The president's budget failed to gain a single vote (not even Democrats voted for it). Democrats will not seriously address our national debt, deficit spending, and the bloated size of government. Instead, Democrats will work to raise taxes.

    Warning, there will be nearly $1 Trillion in taxes that will arrive in 2014 due to Obamacare. So any tax increases that Obama talks about now goes on top of 2014 tax increases.

    Democrats don't have a plan to address Medicare. They are afraid to address Social Security. But they'll talk your ear off about how they will protect Big Bird & PBS. Can anyone take Obama and Democrats seriously?

    Folks, get serious about our country. Do you want to look like Greece? Get rid of Obama at the ballot box.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:56 p.m.


    And a CBS poll of 500 uncommitted voters just gave it to Biden 50-31. Your point?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    Thanks, Joe.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    Ryan acted Presidential....Biden acted like an idiot.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    If anything, this debate gives the American people a very clear line to separate the Democrats and the Republicans and make a choice of which way they want this country to go.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    Haha, the liberals finally had a worthy performance from their VICE PRESIDENT (unlike the president, who was simply a disappointment) and all of a sudden they are coming out in droves saying that Ryan got his clock cleaned . . .?

    It was a dead even debate according to viewers and experts. Both did what they came to do in the debate. I realize that you are excited that someone from your party finally showed some emotion, but lets face it, it wasn't one sided at all, for either side! It was a draw, plain and simple.

    In fact, a quick poll by CNN shows that viewers choose 48% to 44% win for Ryan, so check your enthusiasm!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    This just kills me. Last week the Republicans whooped and hollered about how well Romney did in debate even though he rudely interrupted Obama and the moderator numerous times. When anyone posted that Obama was respectful and polite, the Republican posters had a field day.

    Tonight I am reading comments on another board about how "rude and mean" Biden was and how Ryan was "respectful." Are you kidding me???

    The hypocrisy of the Republican party never ceases to amaze me.

  • Old Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    Let's get a fact checker to buzz in everytime one of these jokers lies.

    Let the truth stand. They both can't be right.

    Let's verify their statements and publicize their lies.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    WOW, Romney sent a boy to do a mans job! Ryan got the last word, but it was not the least bit convincing! Otherwise all I heard was "we agree with Obama/Bide" about 5 times! YIKES! Really? We agree? Ok

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Romney's radical right wing choice show he was a radical right wing addition.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    Joe hit it out of the park!

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    Thank you Joe!
    You aced it tonight!

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    I love how conservatives are complaining about how "mean" Biden was and how he smiled too much. Romney last week, anyone?

    Face it, guys. Ryan just got his clock cleaned.