Less emphasis on parties and platforms needed in government

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    Oct. 13, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Hutterite said: "Start with a one term limit for everyone from the dog catcher to the president."

    Happy Valley Heretic said: "Amateurs ever few years, probably wouldn't help much either."

    You're both right. I think we should add a junior vice president to the executive branch and elect a single person every two years for one six-year term. The newly elected would start as the junior veep, serve two years then automatically get promoted to senior veep, then after another two years finally become President. Executive branch responsibilities and authority could be reorganized to maximize learning opportunities and other benefits from 4 years of on-the-job training while minimizing potential harm resulting from catastrophic ineptitude, and also provide additional checks and balances on presidential power within the executive branch itself (for example, both veeps could override the president on certain issues). This plan would help to provide continuity across administrations, de-emphasize party politics, and eliminate re-election campaign distraction. It would also un-bind presidential candidates from any need to tie themselves to a running-mate and allow voters to elect the best candidate to office rather than the best candidate plus one.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    @ Mad Hatter,

    Are you a member of the UEA? Are you that opposed to education that you would sacrifice children for a bigger paycheck?

    How many of the people on Richards' list would you say were deprived of an education? How many of them impacted the world? (You'll have to decide whether the impact was for good or not.)

    Education is not something doled out in a classroom by a teacher who follows district policy. Education is inspiring young minds to THINK and to SEARCH for answers. In today's world, searching and thinking are not the same as sitting in a class of 40 or more students and being bored to death by a "teacher" who is doing the same thing that was done 100 years ago.

    The State is charged to educate our children. It is not charged with paying teachers to hold children captive or to allow the UEA to force us to subscribe to THEIR plan of "teaching".

    Home school has produced amazing results - but not in the traditional classroom; just ask Einstein, FDR. or Churchill.

    Government is not the "answer". It can be the means to find an answer.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    Yes, saying the party of gay marriage and abortion on demand IS the same as saying the party of hate and intolerance. Just look and see how so many leftist posters denigrate and insult those with whom they disagree and you see that we are talking about the same party. Glad we could agree.

    Glad you are beginning to recognize the dems as the party of hate and intolerance. Just read ANY of the comments by a number of regular liberal posters and you see their hate and intolerance. I would name them, but the DN probably would not post my comment. ANYONE who dares disagree with them is foolish and deluded.

    Should my comment about who conducted the studies be given any less consideration than omni scent's comment where he/she fails to mention which studies by whom? I would suspect they were done my PP, but I do not know and they did not say. Do you honestly believe a study by PP or any other abortion provider who profits significantly from abortion would conduct an unbiased study?

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    lost in DC West Jordan, UT

    "If the more Utahans believed as you and voted for the party of gay marriage and abortion on demand . . . "

    Enough with the cliches. "Party of gay marriage and abortion on demand"? Is this like saying the "party of hate and intolerance"?

    Let's get real about the dog whistles. Are there not the Log Cabin Republicans, a conservative gay group within the Republican Party? And don't Republicans get abortions "on demand" when they want them. Of course, the "on demand" claim appears to be a reference to government funding. Would it be OK with you if private health insurers paid for abortions? What if it were just "cash and carry" like it used to be?

    One may assume that the New Republican Party still has a lot of work to purge itself of the RINOs and social moderates which still populate the Party. Is ideological purity your ideal. Do you always show such intolerance for anything which contradicts your "reality" and remain opposed to different ideas?

    Your comments about birth control studies does not gain veracity when you make unsubstantiated statements that they are "probably performed by abortion clinics seeking federal funding".

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah

    Home schooling is primarily a means of restricting the influences of the outside world for one's children so that those children can be indoctrinated with the views and values and prejudices of the parents. Just doing this when the children are usually at home after school and on weekends is not sufficient because the children have exposure to different ideas outside of the home. And the first six years of development don't appear to be sufficient because they eventually get older and go off to school.

    At school they meet other kids, learn science and learn to express themselves as individuals, and many conservative parents cannot tolerate such influence. For them, the ideal is to create a community of like-looking, like-thinking, like-believing, like-minded neighbors where there is absolutely no chance for outside influence and the children grow up to be exact clones of their friends and parents.

    It's Utah 150 years ago when the faithful left the United States behind to create their own nation, free from the bigotry, prejudice, and hostility to make their own theocratic state where their way of life could be instilled and maintained.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Omni scent
    Which is more important? Personal responsibility. "studys" Do you mean "studies"? And who performed those "studys", abortion clinics seeking federal revenues?

    Please show me where LDS chruch (sic) policy calls for abortion on demand. NICE obfuscation!

    Yes, there are many scriptures that say we should give to the poor; but being FORCED to give was NEVER in the Savior’s plan. And the scriptures say we should give to the poor, not to the government to squander and keep the poor in a dependent state.

    But all that is beside the point. If the more Utahans believed as you and voted for the party of gay marriage and abortion on demand, there would be more dems in our legislature. but most do not, in spite you arguments.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:56 a.m.


    If you want to enter an LDS Temple, you first have to be a member. If you want to play on the JAZZ, you have to be a member of the team. Why do you ridicule parties for requiring that if you want to participate in THEIR party, that you have to "join" the team. You still have a choice to join or not to join. If you want to select people who run on the party ticket, you have to join the party. If you think that an independent has what it takes, you don't have to join the party. Put another, way, why don't you give free access to your checking account and "trust" that everyone will respect your property?

    By the way, Sandra Day O'Connor was home schooled. Thomas Edison was home schooled. FDR was homeschooled. Woodrow Wilson was home schooled. Winston Churchill was home schooled. Albert Einstein was home schooled. Orville and Wilbur Wright were home schooled. Ray Kroc and Dave Thomas were home schooled. Frank Lloyd Wright was home schooled.

    Do you still want to argue the value of home school?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Hutterite said: "Start with a one term limit for everyone from the dog catcher to the president."

    Amateurs ever few years, probably wouldn't help much either.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Hutt, how about a three term limit?

    First term, they are still wondering what's happening around them. (Look at Jason Chafetz for a good example.)

    Second term, they might have figured it out and become effective. (Don't expect that from Jason, though.)

    Third term, lame duck. At least we get one good term out of some of them. (But not Jason.)

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Start with a one term limit for everyone from the dog catcher to the president.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    … the LDS Church would prefer to have members in both major parties. “Both locally and nationally, the interests of the church and its members are best served when we have two good men or women running on each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win,” ~ Pres. James E. Faust

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Mike your too funny "No one is forced to join a party," well if you want to vote in the republican primary in Utah you have to be a gang member, right? Because even though the majority in Utah will vote republican without even reading the ballot, the republican party is so paranoid it tries at every turn to "fix" the contest, from gerrymandering to removing voters from the register, right before an election.

    I remember on little house on the prairie how they were home schooled, oh wait even back then they realized how inefficient that was, and that living in a society you work together.
    But non-cooporation, and because every business man is an island, I can see where you would think only yourself capable of teaching your children....have at it.

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Lost in DC: studys show that free birth control greatly reduces abortion. Which is more important?
    Besides, even the LDS chruch's own policy (in which abortion is okay in some situations), the policy should be legal.
    You quote the scripture about eating the bread and wearing the garment of the laborer, but there are many more that say we should give our substance to the poor.
    What else you got?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    I find it strange that someone would lecture us on wasteful spending in government and in the same letter tell us that parents can pass on to government the care and keeping of their own children.

    Ask any homeschooler how much it costs to educate their own children. Hint: It doesn't cost anywhere near what we pay the State to do the job. If you want to cut waste in government, start with the school districts. The goal is educated children, not salaries for teachers nor slots for district employees.

    No one is forced to join a party, neither the voter nor the candidate; but how many people would join a party that holds beliefs opposite to their own? The party is the starting point. It tells those who vote what the candidate's core values are. It starts the process.

    If you want different government, why don't YOU run for office and then show us how to run things properly?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    Increasingly the citizens of this state have sought to distance themselves from one of the major parties that carries litmus tests such as forced wealth redistribution so that he who is idle SHALL eat the bread and wear the garment of the laborer; and support for the diminution of the family through gay marriage and taxpayer-funded abortion on demand. And that party has passed a law mandating employers provide the means for the promiscuous to escape the consequences of their promiscuity.

    The fact that there are only two major parties naturally leaves folks little real choice but to vote for the other, which gives it control of the legislature and governor's mansion despite its warts.

    It wasn't always this way. Utah used to be among the bluest of states, but the dem party moved further and further away from the values the majority of Utahans hold. The one party state is more the fault of the dems than repubs.

    Now not ALL dems subscribe to those positions, and it is possible to be member in good standing of both the dem party and Utah's predominant religion, but the dem platform makes it hard