re: Rifleman 9:49 a.m. Oct. 9You don't need school to learn
Repubs are evil just watch Fixed Noise.
I had wonderful grammar teachers, and I would like to remind our many
contributors of the differences between some words that are commonly
confused.THERE is an adverb that indicates location. We are going
THERE after the movie. My car is over THERE.THERE is also a pronoun
used at the beginning of a sentence. THERE is no hope for that political
party.THEIR is the possessive form of they. They brought THEIR cat
with them on vacation. THEY'RE is simply the contraction of
THEY and ARE. THEY'RE singing my favorite song.I understood
that it was my teachers' responsibilities to teach me the different
subjects in school, but it was my responsibility to pay attention, study,
remember, and use that knowledge properly in my own life. Most of my teachers
also shared their opinions with the classes, but I don't recall any of it
being brainwashing. For the most part, I learned how to live amongst people with
differing opinions. What this teacher did is wrong, but let's
not blame the entire profession. I believe an important part of education is
learning to live in a world of differing opinions.
Since I'm not a partisan I will say the actions of this teacher to ridicule
this student in any way sickens me. Teach Geometry and keep your politics to
yourself. But I also feel disdain for the numerous administrators
in this state that refused to show the President Obama speech on education. Bias
or hatred for the president played a huge part in this and it was
disconcerting.Bottom line, don't be too strident in your
politics and you can actually see things how they should be seen.
The teacher should be fired.
When I lived in Seattle, I remember a fair number of my friends from work
absolutely aghast when they discovered I was supportive of conservative issues.
Ultimately the belief that one's own political perspective is the only
possible way to think of things is small-minded. All these political issues have
differing points of view. And most of us want to do something decent with our
lives. We just disagree in our priorities and some values. It's too bad
this teacher couldn't recognize that.
The teachers apology would have been more sincere if she had stood in front of
the studentbody to read it herself. I'm not surprized that she didn't
have the strength of character to do that. As it is, I hope she is
not permitted to return to that school. She should be reassigned to another
school and then watched like a hawk.
From the article:"Gaymon, Pawlucy said, said it was a
"Democratic" school and compared it to wearing a "KKK"
shirt."The irony of this is that most blacks in the south were
originally Republicans, because it was Republicans who led the movement to put
an end to slavery. It was the GOP that, for the next 100 years, kept introducing
the Civil Rights legislation that was repeatedly shot down by the Democrats. It was the Republican platform that had anti-lynching legislation, anti-poll
tax legislation, public accommodation legislation, etc. The Republican platform
in 1956 endorsed Brown vs. Board of Education. The Democratic platform did not.
White southerners (the same men involved in the Klan) were predominently
I'm VERY sad to see that in this "country of freedom", the
"justice scales" have tipped to ALLOW BIGOTRY of conservative ideals. I
KNOW that had the situation been reversed(seems there WAS something akin to this
during the last election?..although on someones's lawn?), that the teacher
would in all probability have been suspended and a possible riot/at least angry
marching ensued. THIS kind of behavior is UNACCEPTABLE in ANY vein and venue,
but ESPECIALLY to a minor in a "teachable", "vulnerable"
circumstance! P.S. To those who feel they are so "childish"
as to correct others rather than reading what they have to say and wish to
correct mine...GO FOR IT!!
Riflema said:Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UTWe don't condone the
actions of this teacher, nor will we be baited into an unrelated story.How is it "unrelated" that several Utah School principals (much more
than a single class) refused to air the President of the United States speech to
school children about staying in school. Because they HATE our president and
made that decision for the entire school because of their prejudice of the man
or the democratic party, either way, I think it shows the height of hypocrisy
that conservative republican believe in.
Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UTYou may think it is hypocritical to
demand accountability from a teacher who got caught misbehaving because a young
girl and her parents had the courage to stand up to her but I assure you that
the rest of us don't. We don't condone the actions of this teacher,
nor will we be baited into an unrelated story.Student with T-shirt
1, misbehaving teacher 0.
Just fire the teacher to send a message that such behavior in the classroom is
not acceptable. I'd have the same opinion if someone wore an Obama T-shirt
and got belittled. The classroom isn't a forum for teachers to spout their
Do any of you recall that it was barely 4 years ago (not quite 4 yet) that Utah
schools refused to let their students listen to a broadcast speech of a sitting
@ Fredd44If this were an isolated case that would be one thing but
it isn't. To suggest that this teacher's union didn't support
her attitude is naive and we both know it. To suggest that liberal teachers in
California aren't trying to indoctrinate their students on the
"anything goes" sexual morality is being even more naive. The only
reason we heard about this story is because one student and her parents had the
guts to stand up to this tyranny and the teacher got caught with her hand in the
I have to agree with the teachers course of action and sending this student home
and change her dress, The class room is not the place for political brainwashing
by any activist in any cause. Until children have become educated to learn and
speak their own minds, other political activist causes and statement must be
barred from the school and eduction system. This student was clearly
a political pawn for her parents or family friend and not a choice of her own
understanding and making. Just as we cannot allow political activism to start in
our schools for political gain, we also prohibit the use of children to
advertise for commercial or organizes unions and national organizations like the
UEA, NEA, PTA, and ALEC controls. They are not yet ready to form or make wise
choices based on fact and not emotional political presentations.There are reasons for age limiting voters and it has the same reasons to stop
political activist and parents and teachers from operating in our education
system and twitting infromation to influence the minds of the young and
vulnerable. Free speech and free choice and free will is something learned, not
programed into them.
Lost in DC,Thanks for correcting my spelling errors, It didn't
look right when I typed it, I should have taken the time to look up the correct
spelling. Please however don't blame my teacher(s) for my spelling
mistakes. I believe my mistakes are my responsibility I am not going to blame
teachers for my shortcomings and I wish you wouldn't either. Flying Finn, you say this hit a nerve, not really. There are those who
participate in these discussions who always find fault with school teachers and
their unions. I choose to believe that nearly all school teachers are working
hard trying to do their best in incredibly difficult circumstances. I
don't think we as a society do anything to help improve education by
continually trashing teachers and their union, especially when most posters on
here have no real knowledge about what teachers and there unions are doing other
than what they here on FOX News.This teacher needs to be held
accountable for her mistake, nothing more nothing less. This has nothing to do
with other teachers, the teachers union or anyone other than the teacher
involved in this situation.
@ xscribe writes: "I can guarantee you children here in Colorado Springs
hear just as much "brainwashing" propaganda."Show us and
prove your claim. This story obviously touched a sensitive nerve among the
liberal faithful. They tell us they can match every incident we can recount,
but when we ask them for just one example they follow Obama's lead and look
down at the floor.
I believe it is hard to be in a classroom teaching, and not teach our own
opinions. However this teacher went way beyond sharing her opinion. She actually
pointed out and ridiculed one student for her personal opinion. This is bullying
and totally wrong and she must be fired!
This is a classic example of bullying, not way around it, especially when an
adult picks on a student. In addition I did think the apology was very weak.
Notice the teacher didn't say I except when she said, "I was sad to see
that WE let it get this far."This teacher should be suspended
and be recertified before she is allowed in the classroom. Of course if she is a
Democrat, she'll most likely get a free pass.
I guess what bothers me the most is the teacher is not really sorry that she
belittled the Romney supporter, just that her belittling caused a ruckus.Fred44The word is “indict”, not
“indite”OHBUI saw no one taking back any words.
Nor did I see him demonizing all teachers. Nice stretch and twist. And the
plural use of the letter “s” does NOT involve an apostrophe. You
and Fred must have had the same weak grammar teacher.xscribe"I'll match you with the conservative teachers I listen to here in
Colorado Springs!""I'm not trying to match this
story."You have me confused, Which is it? Will you match or not?
Just wondering.... if the young lady had been wearing a shirt supporting
Obama-Biden, or gay rights, or Occupy, what would the teacher's reaction
I iyou to come to Colorado Springs and talk to many teachers here, and see if
they spout off conservative views or liberal views.I'm not
trying to match this story. This teacher was wrong and frankly should be fired.
However, Rifleman spouted off about how this teacher "brainwashes"
children, and I can guarantee you children here in Colorado Springs hear just as
much "brainwashing" propaganda. These sorts of incidents aren't
isolated to just liberals, and you and I and Rifleman all know that.
In every profession there are a few who believe that their opinions and views
are the only acceptable ones.In other professions, we ignore these
blowhards. In the teaching profession it is tougher because the students lack
the standing to fully protect themselves. But here the public reaction will
serve not only Ms. Gaymon but any others who might be similarly minded (on
either side of the political divide).Public schools are not a place
for politics - liberal or conservative. Any teacher who does not believe that
should do the profession, themselves, and our kids a favor and leave. Now.
@ xscribeAlright, I'll take you up on your offer. Match this
Waiting for Rifleman's response! And for every incident you recount about
liberal teachers, I'll match you with the conservative teachers I listen to
here in Colorado Springs!
This student learned one thing. That teachers are not without faults and
bigotry. My youngest son had to learn how to stay in a class and listen to the a
female teacher share almost daily her dislike for men. He would come each day
and we would discuss what had been said that day in her literature class. He
learned more about the cultural bias of the day from her than about literature.
@ Fred44Obviously this story struck a raw nerve. It portrays the
thinking and mindset of a specific teacher and common sense would suggest that
she isn't alone. Ever hear the folks down south saying "don't
vote for the republicans cause they'll take your food stamps away"?
Re: CottageCheese,Or, obviously, the teacher is foolish. I have no
idea what her political preferences are, or whether she has any at all.
It's irrelevant. She's clearly foolish and doesn't deserve to
keep her job. That's all I can infer. Where did you infer the rest?
How ironic...A teacher (obviously a liberal/democrat/obama
supporter) is critical and intolerant of a piece of cloth expressing nothing
more than support for a pair of men.The party of tolerance in
action! Once again!Obviously Obama's trickle down government
isn't working, because his supporters are not in tune with the tolerance
that he apparently embraces and promotes.
Re: OHBU Columbus, OH"Unfortunately for both of you, we can actually
go back and see what you said."Yes, my comment is in black and
white. I wrote: "Lynette Gaymon is a textbook example of the kind of
teachers trying to brainwash." That isn't an indictment of ALL
teachers, unless of course you are going to suggest that all teachers think as
she does.You really don't believe that .... do you?
Rifleman,Nice try but where does the article say that the teachers
union(s) and there 3 million plus members support this teachers position? What
I read was the teachers union was going to sit down with the teacher the parents
and the administrator and work through the problem. Seems like a logical way to
handle this situation. You say that you don't indite a whole
profession, but you say "the attitude of teachers in California", so I
am guessing that you mean all California teachers have the same attitude on
whatever you may be referring to? Isn't that an indictment on all
California teachers? Its to bad we can't look for good in
people and in groups, that we may not always agree with, instead of attaching
labels to them "liberal biased". I am sure that overzealous people
supporting both political parties have done things that were inappropriate. I know tolerance isn't real big for the far right unless of course
it is one of there own who makes a mistake, I am sure that maybe even you have
made a mistake somewhere in your life. This was wrong, but tyranny it was not.
Sorry Rifleman, you can't take back what you said. You called this teacher
out (not the union) as a textbook example of the kind of teacher's
indoctrinating our children. In other words, you demonized all teachers, and
now you're trying to change your position. Sounds like you don't only
support Romney, you follow his example. Unfortunately for both of you, we can
actually go back and see what you said.
Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah"Rifleman, Lets indite a profession
that has over 6 million members by the actions of one teacher, that really makes
a lot of sense."Nice try but no cigar. This isn't an
indictment of a profession but of the liberal biased teacher's union
supporting this teacher. As you may, or may not, be aware the attitude of
teachers in California is that they know better than the parents what is right
for their children.Thank goodness for those with the courage to
speak out in the face of tyranny!!
Rifleman,Lets indite a profession that has over 6 million members by
the actions of one teacher, that really makes a lot of sense. I know you can
point out others who have used poor judgement as well. I am sure that no one in
your chosen profession ever makes a mistake, exhibits poor judgement, or is
incompetent.Why don't we indite the entire medical profession
because the doctor in Utah county was found guilty of murdering his wife. Why
don't we indite all coaches because Jerry Sandusky is a pervert. Why
don't we indite all Utah republican legislators because one of their
members had an inappropriate relationship with a juvenile and they cheered him
at the close of the session two years ago.Sorry Rifleman teachers
are people too! Lets not paint the whole profession by the actions of one, or
lets paint every profession by the actions of one.
The teacher asked her to leave the room???Can that be right?That
goes way beyond light-hearted ribbing. The teacher needs to be fired.
As a public school teacher for many years in a diverse inner city high school I
valued the students who would share their beliefs and feelings. For over 18
years I and two other teachers held open discussion lunch. Our rules were
simple, no put downs, listen quietly to any opinion and make sure you can give
the source of your "facts". We didn't solve many world problems
but many students learned to disagree without being disagreeable. And we as
teachers sure learned a lot. Too bad this kind of teaching isn't part of
every teacher's training.
Right on Rifleman!!
Lynette Gaymon is a textbook example of the kind of teachers trying to brainwash
our children. Children are sent to school to learn, not to taught that all
Republicans are evil.