BYU notebook: Cougars to reevaluate recruiting following mission statement

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  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    Could it be that "Brave Sir Robin" is jealous that more players don't choose to go to Utah after their missions? Did Utah "poach" Jake Murphy? As has been said so many times, some athletes change their minds about where they want to be in college while they are on their missions. Perhaps because of the strong Church influence of their missions, the numbers are more in favor of BYU than not--I know it's really difficult to make that correlation. But, again, Jake Murphy is not the only player to decommit from or leave BYU after his mission, nor was Ben Olson. Let's move on from this tired topic. Utah isn't BYU from a religious standpoint, so it never will benefit from LDS players changing their minds like BYU does.

  • tiburon Sacramento, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    Dear Brave Sir Robin,
    Could you please point me to where you are getting your information about these claims? Or is this all just your opinion. It sounds very suspect to me, but if you have evidence to back up your opinion, I would be interested. I do however doubt you have any reliable sources.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:41 p.m.


    You're correct - Nelson was at Utah State, redshirted a year, then went on a mission. While he was gone, BYU started contacting his family, then him directly in the mission field, about transferring to BYU...which of course he eventually did.

    To your first point, it wasn't that hard for BYU to get in touch with him - they just sent him letters, pressured his family into talking him into transferring, and had his mission president "counsel" him.

    To your second point, Riley Nelson is the reason the rule was created. It wasn't against the rules at the time, it was just underhanded. Now it is against the rules. Does BYU still do it? Well, talk to any highly-touted LDS athlete who was serving a mission while committed to a different'll get all the proof you need.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin - I'm not from Utah, nor are BYU, UU or USU any teams that I follow. However, now that my son is being recruited by them...what they do becomes relevant. I know who Riley Nelson is but never heard of an NCAA "Riley Nelson Rule". Judging from your comments, I can only assume that Nelson was going to school somewhere else and then during his mission BYU contacted him and persuaded him to transfer to BYU.

    I still think it would be difficult for BYU to do that for a couple reasons. First, having had a son already serve a mission...I know that they only get to call home 4 times during the 2 years and can only use email once a week and its a church I don't know how BYU would have been able to contact him. Second, only Air Force, Navy and Army can pull a player that has already committed or already played at another school and be able to transfer without penalties.

    So, I don't know the whole story, but either you are leaving something out or it didn't happen the way your are explaining.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    @BYU Deek

    "Funny, this is also the NCAA rules regarding this same issue."

    You have no idea how funny you sound right now. The NCAA rule you refer to is known as "The Riley Nelson Rule", created because BYU did exactly what you say they don't do: Poach a missionary who had already signed with another school. If you think BYU doesn't do this then you've got your head buried in the sand. The NCAA admits it....why don't you?

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin

    BYU has never placed a gun against anyone's head and forced them to sign a letter of intent. All of your allegations of BYU poaching are misguided and unfounded. BYU's policy regarding missionaries is, "We will not correspond with players that haven't signed with us, unless they initiate contact." Funny, this is also the NCAA rules regarding this same issue.
    Drop it, you're sounding like a whiny little child.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin - I don't know about poaching, but it does bring up unique situations. Usually a player will be in the program his Freshman year and be able to learn the coaches, the plays and the expectations before leaving on mission. Upon returning 2 years later, the kids have some idea of what is going on.

    Now, most of the players will return at the beginning of what would have been their Junior having never stepped foot on campus.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 9, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Translation: "We're going to poach, poach, and poach some more. We're going to poach more missionaries than we even were before."

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    This was a pleasnt surprise when we heard this at conference. Since, I have a son who is a senior and turns 18 this spring...a lot of questions have arisen. He is currently being recruited by BYU, Utah State and a few out of state D-I schools.

    Since he will now be leaving for a mission in June...I'm wondering does he still apply for college and then request to start in 2 years. Does he still sign his letter or intent in February?

    Should be interesting how this all turns out.