BYU football: Taysom Hill's knee injury may be season ending

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  • why play SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 7, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    Hill should not have been the QB in the first place. True freshman QB's should be developed, learn the offense (whatever that is) and mature to the level D1 schools play. Just like Utah, coaches keep throwing GOOD,young QB's to the wolves hoping they will save the day. Attempting to impress coaches, fans, team and world, they try to do too much and make stupid mistakes which end careers. That's why you have guys waiting in the wings for their time, IE Lark! He's been there 5 years, knows the whole playbook and has gone through the development process. Had Heaps been handled properly, now would have been a great time for him to takeover. Hill is much too valuable to BYU down the road than in this year of mediocrity. Lark can turn the ball over to Utah as good as Riley, can lose to Boise and beat-up on bad teams good as Riley and Hill and take the pounding from USU as good as Hill. What Hill has learned from his experience this year- D1 schools hit hard and you can't run all over everyone like in HS.

  • Chumpley South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    Riley Nelson is a scrapper tough kid but his passing game has been pretty ugly and the turnovers way too many. Hard to win with him behind center this year. Let James Lark get in there and pass the ball.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Oct. 7, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    I'll say it again: Doman will keep Lark off the field just to avoid having it be seen what a poor judge of QB talent he really is. BYU has a legit defense, so forget the spread, go to an I formation, run some play action and let Lark throw down the field to the big receivers. Then maybe BYU can score some points and have a shot against the good teams.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Oct. 7, 2012 1:46 a.m.

    This really steams me that Hill was being run so much in the first place but especially on this play. I saw it happen and immediately knew he was hurt. Even if you don't take a knee (which you could have) at least get a tight hand-off to Williams. This offense has some serious talent but it's not being used the way it should be. Some of that is due to a line that needs work but some is plain old lack a preparation by the coaching staff. Some of the talent has got to be frustrated and I can't blame them. BYU is a big enough name to get some experienced coaches and have the "on the job training" be done as an assistant. Wishing Hill a speedy recovery 'cuz the guy's got one heck of a future.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2012 12:01 a.m.

    Although BYU's offense is extra horrible, they remind me of the Utes in recent seasons. They are trying to survive a season with a super defense and no offense at all. Utah has had playmakers (RBs and WRs) in recent years but no QB play. Whittingham stuck with Wynn like Bronco with Riley. Injuries are tough at any position, but at QB when you have no QB anyway is really rough. Guys who shouldn't be in are in with no practice reps until injury replacement.

    I don't think Taysom Hill was not ready to deliver wins against Oregon State and Notre Dame anyway, but he needed the game experience (guy of the future). Rehabbing an ACL, if that's what it is, won't have Hill ready for spring ball and he might not be ready to run QB draws next fall. Now was the future development for Hill against good competition. Next years schedule will need a QB ready to roll.

    Here's the thing BYU fans; as much as you don't like Doman's play calling, I think BYU is recruiting QBs who have the skill set for this style of offense. Scary!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    This would frustrate me bad if I were a BYU fan. Ron McBride did the same thing to Marty Johnson 10 years ago. Utah had blown out Indiana and in the fourth quarter McBride kept the starters in and ran Johnson over and over. Then instead of taking a knee, he goes to Johnson one more time, and boom ACL tear.

    Marty got depressed and messed up. He got into the bottle heavy. When Urban Meyer came, he helped Johnson clean up and contribute to a special Ute season.

    Back to BYU, I see the frustration with Doman but I think he and the coaches have decided they don't trust their QBs to open up the offense. That is somewhat sketchy to me because of the talent BYU has at WR to go deep (even jump balls to Hoffman are needed). Throwing down the field might not be high percentage all the time, but it's better than scoring 6 points at Boise and 3 to USU. Embarrassing!

    One problem with throwing more though is a bad BYU Offensive Line and questionable QB talent.


    Nice flashback (Crowton saying he would rather win by nine than by 2).

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Granted that I don't know the full situation as to why the coaching staff is so adamant about James Lark not playing. But I keep thinking that we do have players that can run the ball besides our quarterbacks, but we don't have players that can throw the ball besides our quarterbacks, and James Lark may well do it better than either Riley or Taysom. Listening to ESPN commentators talk about how difficult it is for young quarterbacks to throw in the middle, I had to wonder why a guy in the program five years was not being given a chance. Quarterbacks should, as a general rule, be running only when a play breaks down so as to keep them reasonably protected. It's highly unlikely to go a long time without an injury if running the quarterback is a regular part of the offense. It also frustrates other "skill" players because it reduces their touches of the ball, which is usually not a lot in each game to begin with.

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Oct. 6, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    Yes you did say it last night. Should have taken a knee before it cost you a knee. Very incompetent coaching.

    Must remind Coug fans of the good ol' days when Crowton would rather have won by Nine than by two,oh yeah that turned out about as well,you lost by five.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 6, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    I said it in my comment last night, and I'll say it again, why would we call a QB run play with one minute remaining? All we needed to do is take a knee three times and we're out of there. If Hill is lost for the season, this is a tragedy. And the tragedy was caused by an awful play call by Doman.

    Can someone please bench Doman? I'm sick of watching him run the QBs play after play, and sustaining injury after injury. BYUs has plenty of offensive weapons and yet this is the worst play calling I have ever seen.

    Bronco - remember how you sent Jaime packing after his poor defensive performances 2010? Doman has had plenty of chances, and it's time to send him packing.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    Bad coaching all around. This team has so much potential if the coaches could just figure out how to coach. Too bad for Hill. And too bad for this season. Hopefully this means Lark finally gets to show his stuff.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    Riley is not hurt. He was benched. Now he gets to play again. It truly is Lark's turn.
    The Oregon State game will be embarrising.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Feel bad for Hill and this injury.
    Unnecessary. BYU could have kneeled the ball, as they could have run out the clock. Bad coaching, leads to injury.

    Riley Nelson hasn't beaten anyone in his career so far. He'll have his chance the next 2 weeks, as he'll play against 2 teams in the top 10.

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 6, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    It has become very difficult to watch BYU's offense. Defense is enjoyable. It is apparent there is plenty of talent but no scheme to use them effectively. QB's @ BYU are dropping-like-flies.......maybe on-the-job-training for Offensive Coordinator's just is not prudent year after year.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    All BYU had to do was take a knee.

    And BTW, what is up with this Crowton like offense? Why are you running the QB so darn much?

    It's like Doman is trying to run his HS Skyline option offense.

    How this guy still has a joy is beyond me

  • 61Cougar Seattle, Wa
    Oct. 6, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    D'0h! Man! That would be yet another blow to the QB depth chart that Mendenhall and Doman blew up last year.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 7:19 p.m.

    What is wrong with the coaches? Why did they run Taysom on that play? Holmoe please step up and remove Brandon Doman! We will never become a nationally prominent team with QBs like Riley Nelson.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 7:16 p.m.

    What? Why did it take so long for this news to break? We're without Taysom. Brandon why did you make him run 19 times in one game?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 6, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    Are they ever going to give James Lark a shot at starting? Maybe he's the next Steve Young and has been kept on the bench all these years.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    Is that other QB (meadow Lark lemon) still available. Wouldn't that be ironic if the Cougers could turn their season around against Oregon State and Notre Dame with a deserving guy long forgotten?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    Please tell BYU fans this injury didn't happen when BYU should have been kneeling down on the football in victory formation. I couldn't believe it when Hill ran the QB draw that last time. Duh.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2012 6:40 p.m.

    I don't like to see anybody get hurt, much less have a season ending injury. Y fans better hope he isn't injury prone like Jordan Wynn. Best of luck to you Hill, and hopefully Nelson is back up to the task. Good luck Cougs, from a Utes fan.