Post-debate: Mitt Romney basks, President Obama challenges

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  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Oct. 5, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    When Obama says we didn't see the "real" Mitt Romney at the debate, it reminds me of the professional anti-Mormons who talk about how most Mormons don't know what the church "really teaches, which turns out to be a lot of speculative doctrine for the Journal of Discourses.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 5, 2012 5:02 p.m.


    I recall listening once to a new CEO of our company (Novell). He was taking over a mess from the previous guy and it was very clear this new guy was the real deal - no smoke and mirrors. Anyone and everyone listening could tell that this guy knew his stuff and had a real handle on the market which the previous guy did not. Listening to Mitt explain - in detail - his plans for the next 4 years as well as erase all the Obama campaign attack adds against him I got the exact same feeling - this guy REALLY knows his stuff. It was refreshing to hear an articulate and thoughtful answer for once. I think that ALL of the 60 million watching Monday night had to agree that Mitt was heads and shoulders above the current White House resident and that alone gave millions hope - especially undecided voters. America is in a really tough spot and Mitt gave every impression that at the very least he understands the problem and the solution. Getting congress to agree and pass bills is another matter. Barack Obama is a king with no clothes thanks to this debate. Finally!

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 5, 2012 2:59 p.m.


    I have looked at the new polls coming out Friday afternoon and you are incorrect. President Obama is in fact getting hurt in the new polls. There is always a time lag between an event and the consequences measured in the polls.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Romney used notes. Obama did NOT.
    Candidates are asked not to bring notes

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    In the name of fair, two party politics, I ask for the moderator to allow this, and I ask for intelligent discussion.

    Romney cheated. He brought notes when candidates are asked NOT to.
    Easily found googling Romney cheat sheets.

    Someone please explain why he was so sneaky and slick bringing them out of his pocket.
    Just so we all know.

    Thank you.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    Re: UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    "Rifleman - if you look at the polls since the debate, the one thing you will see is that the debate didn't change those numbers one bit. Not even a little."

    Then the liberals have nothing to worry about. Would you be making the same argument if it had been Romney who bombed?

    It wasn't just Mitt Romney's strong performance. It was President Obama's amazingly weak one, and to suggest it won't sway undecided voters is laughable.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 5, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    Rifleman - if you look at the polls since the debate, the one thing you will see is that the debate didn't change those numbers one bit. Not even a little.

    What it really came down to is not who delivered with the most style points, it is clear Romney won that one. What isn't moving voters is this whole trickle down economics idea, the notion that business will hire more people based on tax rate rather than demand. Not many people are going to be swayed either way from their positions on this. There are some who actually believe that post expense tax rates impact how many people a company will hire. That if a company has extra profits, rather than returning that at equity to share holders, they will go out and hire more people, regardless of what the demand curve says. That is the Reagan\Bush\Romney idea.

    There are others that believe companies would rather sit on cash (Apple, Microsoft, Oracle) if they have a windfall, rather than bringing on headcount which usually doesn't see a return for 12 to 18 months.

    Its whose story do you believe.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 5, 2012 12:42 a.m.

    Peggy Noonan said "When Mr. Romney gave him the sweet-faced "You're a cute little shrimp" look, and he gave it to him all night, Mr. Obama couldn't even look at him."

    Geez. And I thought Mr. Romney was suffering from a severe case of gas.

    Just goes to show you how two people can see the same thing differently. Being a Republican stalwart, it is easy to see why Ms. Noonan said what she said. Now let's compare what was said and what was true.

    Yes, Romney appeared to run the debate like a CEO running a Board meeting. And, yes, everyone nods their heads and laugh when he attempts to tell a joke. But he knows that if they don't, and they know that if they don't, he might just fire them because he's the guy in charge. It doesn't really matter what he says or how truthful he is, he's in charge.

    This appears to be the advice his strategists gave him coming in. The Romney we saw on television last night was not the Romney running around telling us how "severely conservative" he is.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    I find it ironic that people who willingly voted for such abstract and nonspecific things like "Hope and Change" and "Yes We Can" are now demanding specifics from Mitt Romney. Barack Obama didn't tell us one thing he would do in his second term. I can imagine that with what he has planned for a second term, he can't be too specific.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 4, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    Re: atl134 Salt Lake City, UT

    The cold, hard, brutal truth, as quoted by Democratic strategist James Carville is that Obama "didn't bring his A-game. If you think he won the hearts and minds of the undecided voters I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you cheap.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 4, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Re: one old man Ogden, UT
    "I was deeply disappointed in Obama last night. He had several opportunities to call Mitt on some of his lies, but failed to do so."

    If Obama doesn't have what it takes to stand up to Romney why should we believe he has what it takes to stand up to American's enemies around the world?

    Obviously they know something we refuse to admit: Obama is weak.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    Wow! Our liberal biased news media is on fire with news about how great Romney did, and how poorly Obama did. Even Bill Maher admitted that perhaps others are right about Obama's inability to speak coherently without a teleprompter.

    One cannot help but wonder if Obama has given up. He did all but say it a few weeks ago when he proclaimed that it is impossible to change Washington.

    It is funny to hear some above suggest that Obama will be more prepared next debate. Perhaps, but it is naive to think that Romney will not also attempt to anticipate Obama's speech points and be better prepared.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    I find it really funny for all the requests from liberals that Mitt needs to be specific on his economic plans. How much specifics do any of you know of the next 4 years of Obama - economics wise? The man is a blank sheet of paper. Nothing - other than he plans of raising more taxes. As far as how he intends of fixing his dead economy? Nothing. Just more of the same.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Comments about Romney's "lack" of a plan or vision...

    Romney was the only one who got specific last night. He had 3, 4, sometimes 5 specific items for every accusation and question.

    The moderator emphasized specificity... perhaps next time they should define what that means because apparently the President doesn't know.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Oct. 4, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    atl, So you're bashing Romney for not indentifying his deficit reduction plan.
    I listened to the entire debate and heard as many specifics as you can squeeze into a debate.
    Maybe you just watched a different debate than the rest of the country watched.
    Even your left leaning buddies were shaking their heads.
    By the by, what was Obama's plan to solve the deficit?
    All Obama does is respond with criticisms rather than spelling out what he'll do for the next 4 years.
    And telling us that he's just gonna keep doing what he's been doing doesn't make it for this taxs paying voter.

  • codger Southwest Utah, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Romney should have pointed out that if he is elected, he will inherit a worse economy than Obama did.

  • RH2011 Payson, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Sounds like sour grapes to me. Why doesn't Obama use the excuse that he felt bad about letting his wife down on their wedding anniversary. After all he apologized to her on national TV and promised it won't be that way next year. The questions is; where will they be at?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    CNNs polling found that debate watchers largely thought Romney won by over 2:1. The thing is... their net favorability of Obama pre to post debate improved by 1 point while Romney's improved by 2 points. Romney's still got a long way to go, and the Obama team will change tactics. Not to mention that Romney's lies are being slammed by Obama on the campaign trail and by factcheckers.

    "When I pay close attention, he only repeats short sound bites and never has any substance"

    As opposed to Romney who has done absolutely nothing to identify his deficit reduction plan (repealing Obamacare doesn't reduce the deficit according to the CBO, and PBS is well... much smaller than Romney's proposed tax increase), nor identify a single one of the tax loopholes he'd cut to pay for his otherwise 5 trillion dollar tax cut?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    Obama is a victim of his own narcississism. He's had 4 yrs. of a lamestream media fawning over his every word.
    The few times he has press conferences; the questions he will answer from the press corps are screened in advance.
    People who have left the White House (for other employment)have said he has a total dictatorial management style. (my way or the highway)

    When things aren't scripted or somehow controlled he has a difficult time.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    "Al Gore even suggested that it may have been Denver's high altitude that made it appear as if he had taken valium."

    Al Gore will say and do anything to line his money with taxpayer money and increase the networth of his green stock. just another left wing scum bag.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Famous last words.

    With all the hoopla surrounding Romney's "victory" in last night's debate, people forget how much things can change overnight. Did Romney really have present his views clearly and forcibly? Did Obama fail in his message? Maybe. Maybe not.

    There are two more of these debates scheduled and a lot of campaigning yet to come. What looks good today may turn sour tomorrow for either candidate. Romney scored points by moving away from his more controversial "strictly conservative" ideas and came across as reasoned and moderate - except he hedged his comments with words which could be interpreted in different ways. For example, his defense of Social Security and Medicare did neither address specifics on keeping these two programs solvent nor provide a firm commitment to their continued existence 5-10 year hence. He only said that he wanted to make certain changes which would only affect people NOT YET approaching retirement age. For these people he would create a second government entity to create and manage a quasi-social security program with vouchers. It doesn't mean that he is opposed to some day adopting the Paul Ryan plan.

    So we have to wait and see.

  • Lilljemalm Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 4, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    Listening to the debate and to Obama's other speaches over the past few months, I wasn't surprised at his performance. His speaches are hard to follow because of his style of speach, being broken and halted. Sometimes he sounds drunk. When I pay close attention, he only repeats short sound bites and never has any substance. He essentially Twitters when he speaks. He doesn't impress me as competent.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    John Kerry and Al Gore also won their first debates.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    I was deeply disappointed in Obama last night. He had several opportunities to call Mitt on some of his lies, but failed to do so.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 4, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    One candidate was prepared when he came to the debate. Obama,on the other hand, failed miserably. Al Gore even suggested that it may have been Denver's high altitude that made it appear as if he had taken valium.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 4, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    I think Mitt actually carried the day. It was one of his best performances to date. And if his campaign had been speaking like this the whole campaign, they would be looking at the numbers they have been seeing - I might have supported him.

    Here is my problem, I liked last night's MItt. It wasn't the same Mitt of two weeks ago, nor of two months ago, not two years ago. Since he began running for office 7 years ago, his platforms has always been the elimination of long term capital gains. Last night he walked away from that, or at least didn't discuss it. The rub is capital gains tax represents a large part of the top 10 percents tax burden, and next to nothing of the middle class's tax burden. It is a targeted tax break that helps mostly the rich. He walked completely away from that last night.

    So if last nights Mitt is the real one, cool. But, who the heck knows. Was he placating the one audience with his 47% comment, or was it last nights performance more of just tell them what they want to hear..

    Time will tell.

  • Utah Girl Vernal, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    I watched most of the debate on-line at work, so I'm sure I missed some of it, but was pleased about the level of preparedness on Mitt's part. I think he caught the President a little by surprise with that, and I hope Mitt realizes the President will be much more prepared and more aggressive at their next debate, and plan for that. I thought Mitt was a little disrespectful of the moderator...actually, both of them were. Future debates will address that, too, I'm sure.

    I think it will be helpful if Mitt will take time to "fill in the blanks" about some of the details of his financial plans for the country. The undecided people really need to hear those details, and even those of us who have picked a candidate need to hear it, too. I also realize that it is difficult to give details at this point, until Mitt is actually able to take a look at specific government programs and analyze them from a business point of view.