Heritage to Mitt Romney to President Obama: The disputed origins and outcomes of health care reform

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 4, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    "Romney knows more about healthcare finances, medical delivery, cost efficiencies etc. than the President and any of his handlers. "

    And with all of that knowledge and experience, he instituted an insurance mandate in Mass and touted it as a country wide plan.

    Now, he has to run away from it to please the GOP.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 11:32 p.m.

    @armchair -- I disagree. I thought that was Romney's weakest argument in the debate. I think people are really going to be concerned about losing coverage for preexisting conditions and lifetime caps. I think most people are beginning to realize they don't want to go back to the way things were before.

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    Regardless of origins . . In the debate just ending Romney surgically carved the President up on the healthcare system, Romney knows more about healthcare finances, medical delivery, cost efficiencies etc. than the President and any of his handlers. On this issue one candidate really knows what he was talking about.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @Stephen Kent Ehat -- Were you on vacation the week the Supreme Court ruled that the law was not unconstitutional? Unconstitutional does not mean "I don't like it."

  • Wyomex Burlington, WY
    Oct. 3, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    One issue in the healthcare debate that hasn't been talked about is how the definition of "insurance" has changed.

    Historically, "insurance" was a form of risk management to hedge against a future unforeseen or contingent loss. Now, insurance simply means "getting someone else to pay for it."

    The fight is not so much about who will pay for unforeseen losses as it is for who will pay for foreseeable costs - "cost shifting" rather than "burden bearing."

    Cost shifting by government mandate burdens society. Those who get their "costs" paid are those who lobby best. Those without a voice, those with unforeseen burdens, who need mutual help the most, are often losers. This was true in Massachusetts and patently obvious in Washington, D.C.

    Insurance, true insurance, should provide for unforeseen losses and be optional, not universal. "Not one soul shall be uninsured" may sound familiar to some, but we all voted against "universality" eons ago. When arguments are made that supposedly involve everyone, be careful and hold on to your wallet.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    Fully expect to see Willard dancing, bobbing and flat out lying when he discuss's the difference between Romneycare and Obamacare. Some advice for Willard, remember the first rule of "holes". When you are in one, stop digging. The more you say on the subject the worse you come accross. Contrary to some of the posts here most Americans are informed on the basics. They know more and more Americans continue to lose insurance, the cost of health care continues to climb, and they don't like to the individual mandate. Polls continue to grow for support on Obamacare, although they are not above 50%. Obama will be able to show his leadership on this issue and if Romney dwells on the subject he'll come accross as out of touch with the issues facing those not in the 1%. Better to try and say he was proud of Romney care and wish that B.O. would have worked with Republicans to produce a better bill. It's a lie, but most that will come out of both of their mouths will be.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    For a variety of reasons, including the amount of government money already in health care, we have created the Medical-Industrial Complex.
    For a country that cannot afford its health care system we sure spend money on facilities, equipment and salaries as though we had all the money in the world to spend.
    And frankly, medical science is far less advanced than we think it is.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    It's obvious that there are no easy solutions to this complex problem. But simply fighting one another instead of working to find those solutions will never help anyone.

    At least Obama tried to do something while others were fiddling.

    Now how about trying to work together to improve, rather than destroy the progress ACA has brought.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    Republicans just arn't being honest about it. They can't support it now simply because Obama implimented thier own idea.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Integrity and honesty, each the hallmark of a civil society. Lack thereof, no matter Republican or Democratic citizen, is the very reason government programs fail. There is no accountability and dishonesty thrives. Free markets may be harsh at times, but insure honesty and accountability, which also allows real charity to be a part of the answer, not government welfare, which isn't charitable at all! Government charity is an oxymoron. Without God, any government will descend into apathy, dependency,despotism, and tyranny. At least in free markets, you have a choice.

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 6:30 a.m.

    And, unfortunately, we somehow have saddled ourselves with a presidential debate format that forbids a clear and full discussion of the Heritage-to-Romney-to-Obama story. It took me more than two minutes to read this excellent summary.

    For those watching tonight's debate, the short-hand references to the differences between, on the one hand, what Mitt Romney as a Republican governor in a Democratic-rich state tried to do on a state level (where the state constitution does not forbid such a mandate), and, on the other hand, what President Obama did on the national level (in the face of a Commerce Clause that does not permit such a mandate and under the Trojan-Horse guise of a "this-is-not-a-tax" promise that proves in the end to be short of the truth) may be obscured by the rush to the next two-minute topic and may be appreciated only by those who may have otherwise turned off the TV (be it talking heads or mindless entertainment) and read about and tried to understand these crucial matters over the years.

    Hopefully, perhaps despite some of us as ignorant voters, we can right this ship.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Oct. 3, 2012 6:08 a.m.

    Nice article on the origins of the Individual Mandate, but you left out the interesting part of the story. Now explain why Republicans so violently rejected an idea that came from conservative ranks.