Little league football game in Fillmore turns ugly

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  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    I have a couple of questions.
    First, why was the first string quarter back for Juab put back into the game when his own mother said she talked to him and he was not making any sense? He most likely should have been taken to an emergency room and examined.
    Second,when players are spearing(helmet to helmet contact), doesn't this hurt the neck of the one doing the spearing most? The one who has his head down hitting the other players is the one doing the spearing. Right?
    The coach that was out on the field yelling at the South Sevier players was not their own coach, and the players walking past heckling the South Sevier fans were not South Sevier players. I was there, no one spat on anyone and no one threw anything! Just saying.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    Vinnyb3, In my current situation I am unable to access the research but I was in student government/activities for over 20 years, read the research, and was always frustrated that sports got such a disproportionate % of the money and attention while, of all the extracurricular activities, athletics actually was the poorest predictor of long-term success. An argument could be made that students who are inclined to participate in debate, music, drama, etc., already have the kind of personality that would make them successful anyway and that their participation isn't a factor. But, we don't know this. We do know that some undesirable traits are found more often in athletes (cheating, aggressiveness, etc.) than in the normal population. (I don't notice that professional athletes are people of sterling character.)It is true that athletic participation is beneficial to some students. But, if it is beneficial, then it ought to be available to all students who want to participate and not be arbitrarily limited primarily to very large kids.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Oct. 1, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    They learned well from the coach at Utah

  • The Authority Richfield, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    How is this a news story again? Parents behaving badly at a jr. league football game? And the Deseret News runs a spread on it this large? Really? I kept reading, waiting for the brawl or assault to occur, but it didn't. It was just a bunch of sour grapes on both sides. What a waist of time. I give this article a 0.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    Re: "Little league football game in Fillmore turns ugly"

    Why tag Fillmore with this misconduct? The culprits were not only from out of town, but out of county. It had very little to do with Fillmore.

    DN's thoughtless title unfairly tars innocents with too broad a brush.

  • HTSJCCAFALG Richfield, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    I saw both these "programs" up close this year as my kid played them both. The details of the story actually sounds exactly like both programs. I saw Juab call time out up 3-4 scores to get the ball back with less than 30 seconds to go in the half. The other team had yet to get a FIRST DOWN. I told my kid that "yea it was classless, and I hope your coaches would not do that, but it's within the rules. You can whine about it, but then they're classless and you're still a whiner. Just make a good mental note." I then saw one of the main guys for my kids team leave the game and ultimately the season on a hit that seemed normal. The kids talked about how "under the pile" the tackling kid was twisting his neck and helmet. Again, I'm not sure what the truth was, but a serious neck injury later it makes you wonder. This looks like a situation of a bad combination of some silly coaching. I mean "why" was an onside kick called and "why" were kids taking pot shots: SImple answer: coaching.

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    It is a sad thing when boys become tools of men's egos. It reflects on the sad state of those men's inner life.

  • SportsFann Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    I've been on both sides of lopsided scores and I always say the same thing..."It's not their team's job to stop themselves" and "It's not my job to stop myself."

  • TemplarBlue CENTRAL, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    This Juab coach has shown poor sportsmanship all year long. With a large lead in the score, most coaches will put there second string players in to get some playing time. Not this coach, while the losing team puts their second teams in, this coach will keep his first string in, kick on side kicks and call trick plays to continue to run up the score. This coach needs to learn some sportsmanship. I completely understand and side with the South Sevier folks on this issue. Come on Juab you can do better!

  • vinnyb3 Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:08 a.m.


    Could you cite that clear research for me? Although there is some truth in what you say, your point works both ways. One could argue that drama and music make a large contribution to what's wrong with society with they way they portray sex and violence. So we should probably drop all those programs too eh? My point is that these programs are what you make them. Athletics were very beneficial to me and even when things got a little chippy it helped me learn how to deal with conflict.

    Another couple of points:
    1. Athletics do get money, but they also bring in money.
    2. Not everyone likes debate, music, etc. or is good at it so sports are one way for them to get into college.
    3. There are a lot of athletes who are involved in those other activities that you named, including myself.

  • Spectre23 West Valley City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    #1- It's football. If you can't take a hit, get off the field. Go play baseball.
    #2- It's a sport. Winning is the goal, not "sportsmanship." Play by the rules, but above all else, win.
    #3- Sounds like the fans (mostly parents I am sure) were the source of all issues. They should have just kicked all them out and let the kids play.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Sounds like they should have stopped the game at half time. Were they using replacement refs?

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    I was surprised at the intesity of youth sports in Utah many years ago. The coaches willingness to lie to the kids and the attitude that every game seemed to be the Super Bowl , for the coach at least. The team , by the way, was a group of five year olds.

  • HighlandsHome Highland, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    The article wasn't about a couple of hard hits it was about people who cant accept the fact that it is a game. Judging by the article it isn't the boys who need to learn sportsmanship it is the parents and coaches who did most of the yelling, name calling, and even spitting. How absolutely pathetic. I always groan a little when I hear people talk about the critical life lessons learned through athletics. There certainly are valuable lessons kids learn through excelling and working hard, functioning as a team, and executing plans. I totally agree with that. The problem is all of the other lessons they seem to pick up from their "win-at-all-costs" coaches and parents. Typically good people who check their values at the gate when they enter the playing field. Sorry to those of you out there who love sport and don't condone those attitudes. I know you exist. There just aren't enough of you anymore for my liking.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    People defend sports. They say it is good for the participants and the fans. But, these people are in denial. The sports industry is getting uglier and uglier. Instead of being a reflection of what is good in our society, modern sports, especially football, is a sad reflection of what is wrong with society. Given the significant risk of permanent injury, the rotten sportsmanship by the junior high players and even by their parents plus all the other negatives, isn't it time we dropped football and did something more civilized? Why in the world do our schools sponsor sports (especially football) when research clearly shows that participation in debate is a significantly better predictor of long-term lifetime success than participation in football? So is participation in drama, music, school publications, student government, clubs. This research is clear. Yet who gets all the money and attention: Athletes! Another evidence that our society is all messed up.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    And the next morning they all headed off happily to their respective religious services, sure that it was all the other side's fault...

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    Lay this fiasco on the heads of the coaches and the parents.

    'Ol Vince Lombardi who said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing" can take a lot of credit, too.

    No excuse when coaches and parents act like junior high is the Super Bowl.

    What do the kids learn? To act like lawless gangsters!

    There's no sport in that.


  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    "Let it die" is probably an unfortunately apt comment. In 2008 Scientific American published an article, akin to many we've read in even more recent years, about concussions. This present Deseret News article, too, uses the word "concussion." That's the real tragedy here. As parents we are still blindly looking for healthy outlets for our children's desire to participate in wholesome activities and be active physically and socially, but yet we are still steering them into danger, sometimes for some parents as an outlet for our own desires to relive the excitement we once experienced. Who suffers? The brain cells of the little boys. "Let them die."

    "Concussions Exact Toll on Football Players Long After They Retire" is the title of the article.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    That is the problem. Archer, Disgruntled, and Belching Cow don't even see the problem.

    Our society is losing the dignity of sport and playing with class.

    It is long past time to change.

    I am glad the refs stopped this game. Let's send a loud message to the youth out there that it is time to learn what sportsmanship is all about.

    Winning isn't everything. It is a marketing lie that everyone needs to stopped buying into.

    Elder Uchtdorf got it right when he said we all wear the same jersey!

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    Just "an unfortunate series of events?" Sounds like the "unfortunate events" were a culture of bad sportsmanship. Attitude reflects leadership. The boys merely put into practice what they have been raised to believe is acceptable behavior. The tragedy is that everyone acts like it was a situation that no one caused and was outside of their control. Whatever happened to throwing players and coaches out of a game? Instead, all were punished and nothing was learned.

    I recommend reading "The Sportsman's Charter," which can be found in the US Equestrian Federation's rule book. Excerpts include:

    "That sport is something done for the fun of doing it and that it ceases to be sport when it becomes a business only, something done for what there is in it;

    "That good manners of sport are fundamentally important;

    "That...the whole structure of sport is justified by...the positive virtues of courage, patience, good temper, and unselfishness

    "That the qualities of frankness, courage, and sincerity which mark the good sportsman in private life
    shall mark the discussions of his interests at a competition."

  • Black & White SLC, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    Where there is smoke, there is fire... the boys are the smoke. The players are a reflection of what they have been taught by their coaches and parents. Unfortunately this is not isolated in small town Utah, it happens every week along the Wasatch Front and across the country (see recent article about bounties offered to a California LL Football team players). The real story here has not been uncovered. I would suggest digging a little further and see which adults are behind the actions of these impressionable young men who are simply following orders.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    Them boys take their foosball seriously down there. Classy. Good laugh to start my day off.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    Well said Archer.....let it die.

  • justme001 Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 6:14 a.m.

    So once again with kids sports, thanks parents (fans) for not being able to control yourself's . Due to your moronic behavior your kids lost out. You should be so proud of yourselves and the lessons you are teaching. Better yet parents, grow up or stay home.

  • Archer Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2012 4:27 a.m.

    I'm usually very lenient about what is or isn't newsworthy, but in this case, I seriously do not believe this was on the front page. A few hard hits? In some small town? In a game between middle schoolers? Come on now.

  • Boys of Fall Fillmore, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 3:29 a.m.

    Juab is from Nephi and S. Sevier is from Monroe (by Richfield). No, these schools don't feed into the same HS. This is small town football where you only have one team per grade for the school. Don't have enough population to have a little league program in which you have a number of teams per city. So, the teams play other small towns around the area. The teams feed into Juab (3A) and S.Sevier (2A) High Schools.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 11:56 p.m.

    Juab is in Nephi and the players feed into Juab HS. I believe South Sevier is located in Moroni, UT and the kids would feed into South Sevier HS. I am not sure why the game was in Fillmore unless it was a neutral setting as it lies between both towns. Millard HS is located in Fillmore BTW.

    As far as some prep history, In 2008 Timpview tried an onside kick ahead 42-0 in its game against Provo. Actually the T-birds tried it twice (unsuccessfully) and ended winning the game 63-0. The coaches and players didn't shake hands after the game but fortunately there were no brawls or incidents after the game though. The two schools, from the same community of Provo, have taken some steps to temper the rivalry including recognizing students and alumni at basketball games. So it is hoped that these two communities can heal their wounds...

    Lastly, I have always wondered if parents should be allowed to these games sometimes. Perhaps the Juab coaches did error in its decision to do an onside kick but it seems the South Sevier parents escalated the situation by engaging the coaches.

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    I know the dateline on this article reads: "Fillmore".

    But the article failed to identify which city or cities these two teams are from. And I'm curious if they both feed into the same high school (and which HS that is?) Or... which two high schools they feed into, respectively?

    Sorry I'm not better on my geography or UHSAA structure. But then.... that's why I'm asking.

    Sept. 30, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    This is nothing new, props to South Sevier.

    I have seen this same set of coaches up by 28 call a time out with less than a minute to play; against small non-startes to get another score, then quick snap the ball to get another 2 on the extra point. In another game against not starters with less than 2 minutes up by twenty call a double reverse pass to get one more touchdown.

    Juab has really good middle school football, they have as many kids in one grade than most schools have playing in all three grades. They have dominated 6-8 football for years, however, against better coaches and schools that take talent from numerous grades they get worked in high school. They are just a .500 hundred program. One and done in the playoffs each year.

    So, keep running the score up it helps motivate the kids with the better high school programs.

    Again, props to South Seveir, D-News made them sound like the bad guys.