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  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Republicans are the war mongers? Study US History and you will find that Democratic Presidents Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson all got us into wars. Another thing, the Party platform does matter because it is the baseline from which decisions and programs spring.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:28 a.m.

    And what is the significance of this? Most white, evangelical, socially conservative voters support Mitt Romeny while college-educated, non-church going people don't? Perhaps we need to home school more children so they're not exposed to the taint of non-believers!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:26 p.m.

    re: Anti Bush-Obama

    What about the pro choice signs I've seen here in Utah? You know, the ones that proclaim GOP by choice... lower taxes... Limited Gov't"

    These people are Libertarians as well.

  • Mister J SLC, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    per HaHaHaHa 10/1 5:26 p.m.

    "Same back at you, and yours, from the republican standpoint. Here is the difference. Democrats are MORE about the feeling then the thinking, Rebpublicans are more about the thinking then the feeling!"

    You sure about that? Which party is more likely to use Rupert's propaganda channel to trot out then beat emotional wedge issues (prayer in school, death panels, flag burning, etc...) to death?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:34 p.m.


    where did i try to define what you think and feel? your comments reflect badly on you not anyone else. just for your information typing in all CAPITALS does not make your reasoning any more sound.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Well, I'm a liberal Democrat, a Mormon, I believe in God and I go to Church every week of my life. And I really make an effort not to judge other folks. How about we do what we feel is right, and vote accordingly? And figure other folks are doing the same.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Oct. 1, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    @ tolstoy

    Same back at you, and yours, from the republican standpoint. Here is the difference. Democrats are MORE about the feeling then the thinking, Rebpublicans are more about the thinking then the feeling!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    So nice that you know what is in every democrats hearts and minds, I would hate to think that we would get to decide for ourselves what we think and feel.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    All the democrat leftists went on their rant over this letter about what their party is, stands for, and who is in it, yet the letter was about the percentage of believers who support the democrat party versus the republicans. Not really the same argument, but please go on and on about what you want us all to believe versus what you really believe, attract and stand for. Fee contraception? Please enlighten us all about the democratic platform. Ever heard of Sandra Fluke? She was all about free contraception and it's the only reason she if famous. She was even one of the celebrated (yawn) speakers at your convention. Ok ok, so she didn't want the government to pay for it directly, she wanted her employer to be required to pay for there really any difference? Oh if we could just close our eyse to half of reality, then we could all think more like democrats!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    I liken current LDS republicans to those war mongering vangeful and bloodthirsty Nephites. If anybody read the book of mormon and understood it, they would be libertarians.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    David stated "free contraception" as being on the Democrat platform, which, it isn't. If you cannot state what the Democrat platform is accurately, then how can you expect to have any credibility for the rest of your letter?

    Again, it's like someone coming out and explaining how the Book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith and that Mormons don't believe in the Bible. Would you really expect this person to have credibility for the rest of their "Mormon" sermon? I think not.

    So when you cannot accurately state the platform of the political party you clearly know nothing about, why should anyone believe in what you have to say?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    "The LDS church claims they don't endorse political parties or candidates, yet the newspaper they own does precisely that. "

    The Deseret News doesn't endorse candidates since they can't as a church owned newspaper... they merely print other newspapers' endorsements of Mitt Romney (loophole). (Romney right for these times. - Arizona Republic). I don't recall any other endorsements they printed (merely reported on Gingrich's endorsement by the New Hampshire Union Leader) other than that one though I may be missing one.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    David, you talk about the Democrat platform as if you were an expert. When was the last time you visited a Democrat's website? When was the last time you listened to a Democrat leader in person or visited one of their caucuses?

    If you're relying on right wing talk shows to tell you what a Democrat stands for, then that's essentially as effective as going to a Baptist Minister to learn about the LDS church.

    Your biased views, are clearly showing. Free Contraception? That's not on the Democrat platform. It was a lie spread by Rush Limbaugh (for which he sorta apologized for).

    What they do push for is that contraception be provided for in health insurance. Even if your health insurance is provided to you via religious/church employment. Of which, I have read many polls showing the vast majority of Catholic and Evangelical members in support of.

    So again, you cannot divide people by religion like what you're doing. In fact, what you're doing is the exact opposite of uniting the country. Unfortunately, the right keeps doing this, whether they're throwing 47 % under the bus or doing what you just did.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    How interesting that the letter-writer would cite the Demos' platform stance on abortion in saying that God "is long gone from them." In my view, the Demo platform is more in harmony with the LDS position on abortion than is the Republican platform. The LDS Church says abortion is permissible in four circumstances, while the Republican platform opposes ALL abortions.

    Also, I believe that the use of contraceptives (which Republicans oppose) has the effect of reducing unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Free contraception is the only thing that might save the Evangelical right wing bible belt south. Have you seen their birth rates and the amount of welfare and food stamps they consume?

    Talk about redistribution of wealth! Here I am, working my buns off, so lazy folks who procreate way too much in the south can live off me!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    The reason the less religious people prefer the candidate least likely to go to war is that they believe when they die that’s the end of the world.

    The next war, because of the preponderance of religious people, will probably kill everybody and simply satisfy the goals of religious people.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    The LDS church claims they don't endorse political parties or candidates, yet the newspaper they own does precisely that.
    DN readers, such as the letter writer, reflect a common view among Republican Mormons which is supported by the mixed message the LDS church position and actions pepetuates.

    BTW, Church attendance is not required to have a belief in God.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    I expect my government to be run by people who test beliefs against real-world objective evidence and who are willing to abandon beliefs, no matter how emotionally comforting and popular, when the evidence says that those beliefs are provably untrue.

    If comforting lies are more important to you than discomforting truths, then Romney is your man.

    "A short walk through a lunatic asylum reveals that faith doesn't prove a thing." -- Nietzsche

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    I would challenge the author of this letter and the pollster who took the poll to explain what their motivation was for doing the poll and highlighting it's results. Is it to drive a deeper wedge between an already fractured electorate? Do they think that highlighting such information will bring us all closer together to help solve the problems of our nation and the world? Are they really that naive to think that pushing those who already have differences with them (Support for Obama vs. support for Romney) even farther out the door will make their lives better?

    Or is it just that they are mean spirited? Is it that they are arrogant and think they're clearly on God's side and everyone else is doomed?

    I'd really like to know.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    There are good, religious folks in all parties (and good non-religious folks as well). Further, we do ourselves no service if we try to incorporate the nastiness of the political sphere into the religious sphere.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    What is with this almost genetic need to label everyone, and then their beliefs and attitudes to be the same?

    Do some Democrats believe in God? Absolutely! Are there atheist Republicans? Absolutely.Are their pro-life democrats? Yes! Are there pro choice Republicans? Yes.

    To describe most Americans, generally, they are Protestant and of European descent (this is quickly changing however). Most would probably characterize themselves as a hybrid of Pro-life and Choice. They don't encourage abortion as a contraception, but believe it is a decision that should be left to the parties involved. There are varying degrees on each point, but most Americans are probably more alike than different.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    I'm going to start referring to people such as this letter writer who continually mix and tie politics, who put their Party alligence on par with their faith, who see religion as one-in-the-same with Government as members of the; RLDS
    [i.e, Republican Latter-Day Saints]

    FYI - You're being absolutely no different than Muslims who tie Islam and Sharia Law into their Government.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 6:39 a.m.

    Pretty scary isn't it. The supposedly "righteous" are the one willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 1, 2012 6:07 a.m.

    Are you aware that the US Constitution does not mention God either?