States should implement the Medicaid expansion

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  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    Old Man,
    I see you buy off on the idea that NO ONE pays for heath care or the rest of the largess and bounteous benevolence of uncle Sam. No one EVER has to pay for ANYTHING. But it's a waste of time to tell you that bills actually do need to be paid. Where can I get the free money?



    I said nothing about whether it was a smart investment or not; I said someone had to pay for it, which was contrary to Sherrie's comment that the money was free.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Everyone who wants someone else to pay for HIS family's healthcare has bought into Obama's communistic view of America.

    We are individuals. We individually have the responsibility to care for ourselves. Parents have the responsibility to care for their own family. Extended family has the responsibility to care for members of that extended family.

    Government has NO responsibility to the individual.

    Obama wants to buy your vote by telling you that GOVERNMENT will GIVE you healthcare. Nothing is further from the truth. Obama wants 18% of your total income to go into the treasury where he can spend it to buy votes, just as he did when he spent $49 BILLION to bail out the unions at G.M. and another $500 MILLION when he loaned YOUR money to buy votes at Solyndra.

    The government owns nothing. It has the power to tax you and me. It gives us nothing, but it TAKES everything that we have.

    If you want to be forced to pay government another 18% of your income, then by all means, support "free" government healthcare.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    I'd like free health care, too. But health care isn't free. What it can be is available to everyone, as a single payer system. We pay a lot for insurance here, more than anywhere else. We could do better and save money if we got insurance and employers out of the business of providing health care and did it collectively for ourselves.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Lost in DC:

    It comes down to what is a smart investment in society. Is educating children a smart investment we're happy to pay for? Certainly. We all agree.

    Everyone wants a strong defense. Yet the F-35 fighter jet will cost us more than the GDP of Australia. Do we really have that much money?

    Healthcare is not cheap, in large part because people avoid treatment until their conditions become far too expensive. Republicans are now fiscal hawks, but if they really wanted to chop healthcare costs and shape behavior they'd repeal Reagan's law mandating care at ERs. Nobody is that cruel, so let's deal with reality.

    In my opinion, it's smart to invest in Americans, in human beings, like with education. A healthy worker is a more productive worker, and if the less fortunate need healthcare, getting it increases their chances of contributing to society, increasing economic activity.

    Which allows us to buy more of those F-35 jet fighters.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Lost in DC, you really ARE lost aren't you?

    But it's a waste of energy to try to point out the route to you and others like you.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:39 a.m.


    Where is all this FREE money coming from? It's an outright LIE to say it's free, SOMEONE has to pay it. Even the SCOTUS determined it was a tax. WHO PAYS THE SUBSIDY? the TAXPAYER!

    Yeah, I'd like free health care. I'd also like free cars, free housing, free clothing, free food, free recreation, free furnishings, etc. ad nauseum, but it doesn't work that way. SOMEBODY HAS to pay for it sooner or later.

    Of course Obamacare hurts employment. Why do think unemployment has been stuck over 8% since the passage of Obamacare?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 5:23 a.m.

    Recent research establishes that states that have expanded Medicaid have seen health improvements in their populations, lower mortality rates, etc. The results are clear, and it's equally clear this issue has a significant moral factor.

    Nonetheless, opinions die hard, and the attendant counter claims and heel dragging will cause a delay in health improvements in areas that reject the spirit and letter of ACA.

    It's always been this way. My wife grew up African American in the South, and was still attending segregated schools in the mid-60s long after Brown vs Board of Education was settled by the Supreme Court in 1954 outlawing school segregation. "Just because the Feds forced integration of schools in Arkansas doesn't mean we need to roll over and give up our freedom to determine our own direction in Kentucky. There are significant differences between Arkansas and Kentucky. We won't be complying anytime soon."