President Barack Obama widening lead over Mitt Romney in key states

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 30, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    A1994.... sorry for the delayed response. Just watched the youtube video you quote. And it does in fact say what you said it did.... with a some explanation. It was talking about cap and trade - that for companies to clean up their emissions, it would cost them money, and that they would indeed pass those cost on... and in the end it would be the consumers who pay. All matching your claim.

    But in historical context, this has been done many times before. We made companies produce products without Lead in them... gas and paint the most notable. We made car companies put in seat belts. We made car companies meet safety standards. We have made toy companies remove harmful chemicals from kids toys. We have removed DDT from food products. We have made people who get jobs who work with kids have background checks. We have required mines to improve employee safety. We added mandatory passenger screening for flights.

    The list goes on, and they have all added cost. And most would rational people would never go back to the way things were before we added those cost to the system.

    So his comments don't surprise me.

  • youcantakeahorsetowater upland, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    Maybe people's amnesia is clearing up and they are remembering that it was the Republican Party that got us into the greatest recession since the Great Depression...pray that more people will continue wake up and that their heads will clear and that they will vote for their interests and not against them...Wake Up we are NOT part of the 1% like Romney is!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    The takers are out numbering the makers. This country is being led into a trap.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Utah Businessman,

    Predatory attacking weak or wounded business and stripping them of their assets and disenfranchising the employees all for the greedy reason of making millions to hide in off shore shell and foreign bank accounts is not a business plan for a government economic recovery. It is not even a good business plan for a moral business. Mitt Romney is not the face of Mormonism.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    I don't know which is funnier or more enjoyable--watching conservatives spin and insist that this is still Mitt's to win, or sitting back and watching our beloved Presidents lead widen. Wonderful news to start the weekend. Thank you. When a conservative leaning publication like the Des News admits that it's all but over, only the foolish would try to pretend it's not.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    @one vote

    "Romney is double-talking his way to a two digit loss. The Senate and the house will follow the President."

    Yeah! When Obama has control over both houses of congress, then he will finally be able to get something done. Oh wait. He did.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    Romney is double-talking his way to a two digit loss. The Senate and the house will follow the President. The only thing left is the blame game and the media is distancing them from the Romney ticket already.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    @ Republicantthinkstraigh

    "Explain why we should vote for Romney? And don't mention Obama once....lets hear it, policies and facts would be nice to hear."

    1. He understands that what made America the greatest nation in the world was Freedom, Personal Responsibility & Accountability and Limited Federal Government Control and Interference.

    2. He understands business and economics and knows what needs to be done in order to make the job creators want to start businesses, expand businesses and hire workers.

    3. He promotes the principles of freedom and opportunity so that those in need can get a job rather than depending on government handouts and an "entitlement" mentality.

    4. He has a proven track record in the business world in "turning around" businesses (and the Olympics) that are not doing well.

    5. He believes in giving the individual states the freedom and ability to make decisions that will work for THEIR STATE, THEIR SCHOOLS, THEIR AREA, THEIR PEOPLE, etc., rather than allowing the huge, bumbling Washington bureaucracy to do the ineffective, inefficient "one size fits all" thing.

    6. He believes in a strong military that promotes "peaces through strength" rather than appeasing our sworn enemies.


  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    Romney will not lose. If Obama wins the election, it's the people who will lose.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:52 p.m.


    yes President Obama is an American and yes he's accomplished a lot in his personal career. But that doesn't erase the fact that he hasnt created a single job, doubled the deficit, given more food stamps, extended unemployment, has made this country look weak to the world, all the while promising hope and change. He's a good person who tried his best but America needs better.

  • georg Parowan, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    What a wonderful gift Romney has been to the democratic party, this thing is going to be a landslide giving Obama 4more years. The better candidate would have been Huntsman, at least he had principle. Romney has changed his position so many times on so many issues even he could not identify himself in a line-up. What a train reck the republican party has become.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    America is not stupid. The whole country doesnt believe fox news is the only "Fair and balanced" media source. Quite the contrary. 90% of Obama's so called defecits, are a direct result of the Bush administration. From the tax cuts, to the unpaid for wars. The medicare part b program, and the reduced revenues as a result. All have contributed mightily to the defecit. Obama gets credit for the spending of George Bush. Now, all of these bills have been put on the BObama's tab. Most people dont understand the reality, Or choose not to. Republicans are content to listen to Hate radio, and fox news, telling them how bad Obama is. They dont have a clue. Obama will win re election EASILY. America is not stupid. We are moving forward,, not backward to the same old tired failed policies of previous administrations. I just hope the democrats win a few seats in the house and senate, so we can get a few things done, instead of obstructioism, and gridlock.OBAMA 2012

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    Perhaps if Romney didn't campaign and remained silent he would do much better in the polls.

    Insulting half of The population in the country where Romney would like to be elected President boggles the mind.

    I am one of those 47 percent, I paid my income tax for 50 years and have now retired and do not pay income tax so does that make me an entitlement cheat, I don't think so.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:46 p.m.


    "But claims that Obama wants higher energy cost are just silly."

    Tee Hee. I just was thinking that because Obama said, exactly, "Under my plan, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket." Are you not familiar with this statement? It's on youtube if you want to go check it out. He was talking to the SF Chronicle.

    "Sometimes you have to spend to save."

    Who's money?

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    Hey it is not over till the fat lady sings.....

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:31 p.m.

    A1994... are we still trying to debate when the recession started? Why is that even still relevant? It really is hard to make a case otherwise that the recession spun out of control under the Bush Administration. And even with that as a "Fact", it is hardly a proven fact that the Bush Administration alone caused it. What can be said though is they didn't stop it.

    Skipping forward to today, it is completely reasonable to debate if there is more Obama could have done given the political and global economic market. Perhaps McCain could have prevented the recession in Europe. Perhaps McCain could have turned back the Chinese manufacturing boom that had its roots some 40 years ago set. Perhaps.

    But claims that Obama wants higher energy cost are just silly. But as with many things in life, sometimes you have to spend money to save money long term. You replace a water heater a next generation one that uses a fraction of the energy. You move to natural gas power generation versus coal power because they scale easier (faster turn up and shut down times), and require less emission controls. Sometimes you have to spend to save.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    @ A1994

    Of course, everything negative is Bush's fault.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    @Bored to the point of THIS!

    "I hope Americans, true Americans will be able to live with the outcome regardless."

    I don't know if they can. I don't know if Obama supporters realize just how much change is going to come with another term of Obama. He admits his energy policy is going to skyrocket electricity rates. How does that POSSIBLY help the middle class? He has been fairly quiet about cap and trade this term. But in a second term, he will have no worries about re-election. His proposals will only grow the national debt. He has no plan, whatsoever, to curb spending. It's completely unsustainable. The economy will not grow. It cannot under his policies. In four years, will this still be Bush's fault?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    If Obama wins the country won't have to worry about how to treat the rich----there won't be any.

    The fact people are lining up behind him shows they're more interested in a good orator than a good president.

    Maybe he can apologize for America another 4 or 5 times before the election and grow the 47% that don't pay any taxes to around 80%, all the while shouting that the rich don't pay their fare share.

    Obama administration----what a piece of work. They won't even enforce antipornography laws when the stuff is clearly illegal. I wonder what type of society we'd be living in if Abama had his way on everything. It sure wouldn't bring happiness to many folks, I'm certain.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    I hope Obama wins the race. I know many Americans who don't trust Obama. I understand their feelings. The reason I understand... I feel exactly the same way about Romney! Trust is a funny thing! Who you trust is a matter of perspective and experience. In my case, both are upheld by President Obama. Both are infringed upon by Mitt Romney. I hope Americans, true Americans will be able to live with the outcome regardless. I'll be able too.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    Funny that people are calling this election with 6 weeks to go. Remember that there are two more jobs reports to come out before November 6th. Also, Obama is going to actually have to answer questions in the debates. He can't just go on The View. He is soft and not used to having to defend his record. He is going to lose points fast. I am completely confident that Romney is going to be the next President. There is just no compelling reason to re-elect Obama. Romney leads among Independents. That is who is going to decide the race.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is no Ronald Regan. So, unless the current NFL ref's are calling this election he has little chance to complete his Hail Mary on November 6th.

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Explain why we should vote for Romney? And don't mention Obama once....lets hear it, policies and facts would be nice to hear.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    Thanks for twisting the numbers as well as most politicians do on both sides. 8.1% unemployment fails to include all those millions who cannot find a job and are not eligible to be counted in the 8.1%. The more that become ineligible, the more who are not counted. But 23 million unemployed is the highest in the same decades you famously quote. BTW, they are also not counted for NOT having health insurance. Good spin!

    On January 20, 2009 I was paying around $1.90 per gallon for gas, and I'm now at $3.95. When during the Obama years, has it ever dropped to levels we used to have every year or so? Good spin!

    Many are forgetting the whole point of my posts. HE PROMISED. He failed to deliver what he promised to own and fix. And he promised that if he couldn't deliver it would be a one term affair. In many areas we may be better, but in every area, he fell short of his promises. And so does every politician. They all spin and you got snookered in by one side and not the other.

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    SG: Any facts to back up those allegations? I mean you make allegations like that you should have info to back it up right? So lets hear it.....

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Keep in Mind Lefties...Carter was ahead of Reagan the day before the election by 16 Pts ...according to CBS~

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:08 p.m.

    I love it when people call it the "Liberal Media." Guess the only reliable news source is Fox since that is the only news source you didn't list. Oh and they don't happen to be pushing any agenda either and are politically neutral (sigh). Give it up.

    The media isn't out to get Romney.... They don't need to, he is doing just fine by himself. They report what he says, what his actions are, and his record. Can't run from your record and his record as Governor was awful (except romneycare which he now is against oddly enough). Just look how good he is doing in MA. Get over it Pubs, everytime he opens his mouth he contradicts himself. Its not the media... Its Romney.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Polling lies period. You publish troubling numbers long enough the people will become discouraged and not go to the polls to vote. I just hope we aren't flooded with voter fraud, but I won't be surprised if we do. It happened in 2008 and will continue in 2012. Why not? Obama and his cronies have it all figured out and everything is in place for widespread voter fraud. It's what the democrat/socialist party has been doing for years. It won't change. We need a reversal of fortune come November in order to turn the tide of illegals in this country. It is time to remove every freebie within their grasp so that they are forced to go back home. It is time to seal our borders. It is time for term limits. There is so much that needs to be done and obama is NOT the guy to do it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:53 p.m.


    Rasmussen was more accurate than ANY of the other polls for the 2010 mid terms so what does that tell you? I recall seeing NY Times and Wash Post polls in 2010 that consistently showed the democrat candidate 5-7% ahead ... Rasmussen had the race a near tie and guess who was right? The GOP actually won a land slide victory overall. The point is this - polls are sort of pick your flavor things in many cases because if you are a blue poll favoring liberals you can easily over sample democrat's and get the numbers you want. If I am betting I would certainly NOT put my money on the shaky idea that democrat's are going to be equally enthusiastic this time around and the GOP will stay about the same. There are many disenchanted independents and even democrat's this time because the historic nonsense of hope and change is gone. Romney will have to do well in the debates and if he does I suspect he will win a close election. Unfortunately there is a growing ignorance and duming down in the voting public as never before so that favors democrats no question.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    @Belching Cow
    Rigid social conservatism is a huge part of this equation. Even in highly religious groups (LDS) young people support gay marriage and abortion rights at higher levels than their older counterparts in the group and in non religious groups a vast majority support these items. Also immigration, many young people perceive the Republicans as racist. While not all Republicans are racist they do seem to attract a less racially tolerant element than the Democratic party. Young Latino's make up a large part of the youth population, in all honesty why would a Latino vote for the GOP with the type or rhetoric coming from their party?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    complete bogus polling. Check out the Rasmussen presidential polling web site. In Ohio and Florida is it a near tie. That is reality. These democrat skewed polls aren't fooling anyone but the Obama media - CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS - isn't going to stop and neither is the other liberal news papers. This is all garbage and to be honest if these polls put a smile on your face for some sense of false security - go for it I guess. Again check out Rasmussen presidential polling web site for a more accurate picture of the race. Rasmussen was correct in 2010 when the "other" liberal leaning polls all showed big leads for democrat's but the reality was a tight race and in many cases a GOP slight lead which proved to be the case when the voting actually took place.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    I really think the reason Obama appears to be ahead has nothing to do with the financial situation. It is so blatantly obvious that the ship is sinking faster than he can bail. I think it's ALL about how hip he appears as he banters with celebs, favors gay marriage and abortion, and esentially hands out the pill on street corners. THIS is what the younger generation relates to. Oh and the poor who have bought into the idea that their country will take care of them forever.

    It's a sorry shame. This country has sold out on morals and good hard work.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:33 p.m.


    See my previous post re the Health Care report from the Institute of Medicine. It reports that a panel of people very knowledgeable people regarding health care estimate that we are wasting $750 billion a year in three areas--unneeded care, byzantine paperwork, and fraud and other waste. All you have to do is look at federal bureaucracies in general to conclude that Obamacare is only going to worsen the fiasco.

    The basic problem in health care is that we have long since departed from the basic principles that control costs and quality--personal responsibility and accountability. For the first 35 years of my life we handled most health care costs under those principles and essentially everyone could affort good health care--even though many did NOT carry insurance. We now speak of health "care" synonymously with health "insurance" as if insurance companies (AND the federal government) have a money tree with which to pay the now astrononmical costs.

    The fact is that, as a nation, we simply cannot afford to pay $10,000 to $50,000 per patient day in the hospital, no matter the payment mechanism. The only solution is to get back to basic principles.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Merich39 What a crazy accusation. No Romney and Ryan aren't going to end SS and Medicare. They will try desperately to save them. But firstt they need to get rid of Obamacare that will sink healthcare benefits and tax those who don't need any more taxing. The fact of the matter is that with our national financial situation the way it is, there is NO WAY they can continue to function the way they have. We are OUT of money. 16 trillion in debt.

    Obama is a ticky guy but he's not going to be able to save these programs any better than Romney.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    We are close to the tipping point. When those with their hands out exceed those putting their hands to work creating value, that is when our republic will fail.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 2:09 p.m.


    To address just one of the fictitious items in your posts: have you seen the reports the last couple of days about "soaring medical costs" and the fact that there are now fewer people covered by health insurance than a few months ago?

    There is an Associated Press story dated September 6, 2012 that quotes a report by the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences which is very informative. It mentions one of the great needs in this business where costs are skyrocketing--"demanding accountability". That is precisely what we have NOT done for the past 40 years as we have depended on employers and insurance companies to take care of our health care costs. If we purchased automobiles the way we purchase health care, we would get a Kia (yes, a Kia!) and simply authorize the provider to send the $200,000 (yes, $200,000 for something that we would personally pay only $15,000 for!) bill to our insurance company and only worry about what "our share" is.
    And if you think that Obamacare is going to solve the problem, you certainly are living in a dream world.

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    Basic sampling theory says if one does random sampling (which these polls did) then you don't even consider what party people put down. These polls likely reflect the average respondent's views fairly accurately. An entirely different question would be predicting who is likely to win each state. Given the approximately ten point margins in the random sampling it is virtually impossible that Romney could win in any of the three states IF the election were held right now - no matter what happened to turn-out at the margins. In forty days the story could well be different, but unless something really big happens (Middle East total melt down, or Romney suddenly starts appealing to all the people he has offended) President Obama will win with at least 328 electoral votes. See for an explanation of why.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    Last pres election there were 23 national polls. Rasmussen and Pew were right on. of the remaining 21 polls 17 overstated the Obama advantage, 4 overstated McCain support. I think these polls are fairly similar in their overstatement of Obama advantage. I have my food storage, guns and ammo and ready in case BO wins.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:31 p.m.


    "The race remains close and Obama still has to overcome Republican's voter suppression efforts"

    Yes if non-citizens, dead people, convicted felons and repeat voters are disallowed; Democrats will suffer.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    I don't buy these polls. What I would be interested in is seeing voter registration records per answered call versus voter registration records for calls gone unanswered. These polls carry as much weight as helium balloon floating through space. My point is that the only thing they have hit is their sample numbers... That is all. It is not an accurate reflection of how things will go come November 6th. I look for Romney wins in these states by 15-20% of the vote. We are a silent and proud majority and our cause will prevail!

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    I don't believe this propaganda. Romney and Obama neck to neck and this is the truth.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    There is no question that the President has a silver tongue, and he talks a great talk. The problem is that he doesn't walk the walk. He has convinced so many with his words that they don't even pay attention to his actions.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    SaammyB... if your stock broaker was telling you that, then he is speaking out the politcal side of his mouth rather than the logical one. The stock market is an indicator of future results, not current one. When it drops, it is because the market sees problems 6 months to a year out. Likewise when it rises. It does not reflect even 10 minutes nto the past. It isn't even a "what have you done for me lately" construct, it is a "what will you be doing for me next quarter" mentality.

    The other thing you mention is this tipping point - and that we are not there yet. In actuallty, we are way beyond our european friends like the UK when you look at debt to GDP ratios. That and while the Patriot act was over reaching, it has little busines impact. SOX complaince regulations far more put a burden on companies.

    But anyway, it would be interesting to get more details on what your friend is thinking about this cliff he sees up approaching. People are betting with their dollar otherwise.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    "Of those who responded in Florida, 28% were Republicans and 34% Democrat (+6 D); in Ohio 26% R and 35% D (+9 D), and in WI 28% R and 32% D (+4 D)."

    Here's an important question... what is the voter breakdown by affiliation in those states?

    So... I'll look it up.
    Florida: 41% Democratic, 36% Republican (D+5)
    Ohio 37% Republican 36% Democratic (R+1)
    Wisconsin 38% Democratic 34% Republican (D+4)

    So for 2 of the 3 they have demographics that represented the state. So the only one you really have this complaint be valid for is Ohio. I'm not exactly sure how they got that large a difference... maybe they're using the 08 turnout model or something... though even that would probably be off by a couple points.

    "You just forget that he said it we be a bipartisan initiative"

    Not his fault Republicans turned away from a model implemented by Romney and pushed for until recently by the Heritage Foundation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    @Cinci Man
    "He took us from $2 to $4, an increase of 100% almost overnight. "

    In the summer of 2008 gas prices peaked at 4.11 a gallon nationwide. Obama wasn't president then. The highest it's gotten under Obama was about 3.95 nationwide.

    "He promised new energy sources and he hasn't kept that promise. "

    We are less reliant on foreign oil than at any point in the past couple decades.

    "Unemployment has risen and never dropped."

    It got to around 10 and is now 8.1.

    "put Americans back to work."

    4.5 million private sector jobs created the past 2.5 years.

    "But he forgot that he promised to get deficit spending turned around into balanced budgets."

    The promise was to cut the annual deficit in half. If we smash through the fiscal cliff without adjustment we actually would be cutting the annual deficit in half.

    "He promised affordable health care, but instead delivered soaring costs with fewer insurance coverages."

    For the first time in over a dozen years the number of people in America without health insurance decreased. Health insurance premium costs increased in 2011 at the slowest rate in over a decade.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Everyone should keep in mind that a vote for Romney/Ryan is a vote to completely kill Social Security and Medicare.

    If you know someone who relies on SS or Medicare, or if you yourself rely on SS or Medicare, or if you ever hope to receive SS or Medicare, then you need to get out and vote for Obama. He's the only POTUS candidate in this election committed to making sure those two programs survive. Romney/Ryan are committed to making sure those two programs do not survive.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    I think Mitt is a smart guy with lots of relevant experience.

    If he could lose the GOP baggage that would tie his hands as president, I would consider voting for him.

    But alas, he is not free to lead. The GOP only wants someone to rubberstamp their flawed ideology.

    Per Grover, We need a president with "enough working digits" to sign the Ryan Budget and any other legislation that the GOP puts in front of him.

    Some people worry that Romney would be controlled from Temple Square.
    I am more concerned that he WILL be controlled by the GOP.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Last week:

    Obama = 332
    Romney = 206

    This week:

    Obama = 347
    Romney = 191

    Only 270 Electoral College votes are needed to win.

    I'd say Romney needs to try a BYU vs.Boise statetgy and attempt the 2 point.
    a Seattle Seahawk hail mary pass, and hope the NON-Union "replacment" officials blow the call.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Cinci Man cont.

    When the president took office the economy was killing 700,000 American jobs every month. We have now had more than two years of positive numbers in the job market. Not enough, as the pident is the first to point out, but it certainly is a turn around from where were in January of 2009.

    I know you folks are fond of restating Nancy Pelosi's statement but I think even you know that what she meant was that we cannot predict every impact the Affordable Care Act will have but passing it will be better than doing nothing and letting the current system continue to eat all of our money while making insurance executives wealthy.

    There are more green jobs available today than ever before and the fact that all of this information is available to both of us is due, in part, because this adminstration has been more transparent than any before. It is also a product of the new information age that makes information available, a fact that the Obama Administration has embraced.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    No matter how much liberty Obama takes from the people, conservatives with a stiffened backbone will survive for another term. Those who sacrifice the most are the last to surrender! Liberty will survive. Those who support socialism are the Tories of our generation. Light and truth will win out in the end, but, as in the days of our country's founding, it's not going to be easy going. If Obama wins another term, gridlock will be the result. Liberty has been around too much, for it to be destroyed. Gridlock will be a great victory!

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Cinci Man - Politfac has published a list of 508 promises made by the Obama Adminstration when it came into office. Their scorecard shows the following:

    192 kept
    73 compromised
    85 not kept
    47 stalled
    109 in the works
    2 not yet rated

    If you eliminate the 109 "in the works" group - because they could end up in either "kept" or "broken" - and only count the "kept" and "compromised", the president has a 67% success rate. Considering the hostility of the Republican House of Representatives that is a remarkable record.

    President Obama didn't raise your gas prices, it was the oil companies who are now paying less for foriegn oil than they have in years so you should ask yourself who it is you are trusting. The healthcare law doesn't go into full effect until 2014 and we won't know how the costs of premiums will change until then. And by the way, almost every aspect of that law that is now so controversial were once supported by a majority of Republicans and the Heritgae foundation. But once the first black president proposed them, those issues became poison. Cont.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Once again we see that many are forgetting what Obama promised. He promised. He promised. He promised. What is so hard to get about the fact that he promised to own the gas prices and to keep them low by allowing free enterprise to drive prices downward through exploration (good old fashioned R&D) and NOT stifling new enterprises aimed at NEW and INNOVATIVE energy solutions. Obama made those promises and he got elected because of his MANY promises. His record should be on the table in this election, not his second term promises that echo his first term promises. I do not write about world prices of oil. I write about domestic energy costs, including what I pay at the pump, which Obama promised to keep low. Instead, it double during the period of his promise and claim to ownership, that got him elected. Don't you remember his eloquent speeches?

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:59 a.m.


    A friend of mine is married to an extremely successful stock broker who says that the insiders know that things are falling apart fast. The government control that has been put in place the last few years, and even the Patriot Act under a Republican president, has changed the structure of our nation. If Obama has another 4 years, he will do what Tony Blair did in his second term, according to the Brits. He went on a fast track to socialism and they are already past the tipping point, and it shows.

    We are not yet past the tipping point, but we are close. If Obama's agenda continues (if you study his background and policies, you will see he clearly has one) then we will be far past the tipping point at the end of another four years. Many of you want that so I will convince no one here of anything.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Yep BO feeling really good about himself, go ahead and relax. Mitt Romney will keep on working hard.

    Wish the election would be here now. Funny how those Democrat Media playing around on their computers.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    re;southern heat
    "We are no better off than when Obama first started making his promises."

    That is not a credible statement.

    When Obama became President, the economy was shedding 700,000 jobs per month. The steepest decline in employment of any recession in history. The unemployment rate peaked at 10%. The stock market declined from 14,000 to 6,600.

    Today, the unemployment rate is 8.1. As of July, Obama is averaging +0.84 percent annual job growth in his term. That places him ahead of Bush, who saw +0.51 percent growth in his first term and -0.84 percent in his second term. Obama is also tracking better than George H.W. Bush, who presided over +0.69 percent growth during his one term in the White House.

    The stock market is at 13,650.

    While we have made progress, much more progress is needed. What have Republicans in Congress done to create jobs?

    How has a focus on debt reduction in Europe helped their economy?
    It hasn't.

    Pass the American Jobs Act!

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    It must great being a member of the far right. If you don't like the news its because of the bias left wing liberal media. If you don't like the polls its because they counted the wrong people. If we are talking about a democrat its open season to trash them personally, but if its a republican you can't question them because its the politics of hate. If someone especially a democrat suggests that we have to raise taxes on the wealthiest of Americans who have prospered more than anyone else in the last 30 years its class warfare. If you think that the lower income people should be paying more taxes (remember sales tax and FICA taxes are taxes too) then you are just stating the facts. I could continue but I am limited to 200 words.

    Bottom line Mr. Romney will lose and the republicans will continue to tell themselves how great they are and how evil the other side is. I am a conservative and a moderate, I would like to vote republican, but I cannot support the tea party mentality that has overtaken the party, and quite frankly I am not alone!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Good grief the rhetoric that is repeated here is amazing.

    Nearly every country in this world (there are 100's of them) uses gasoline and yet USA president is responsible for the world gas prices, because it is the world not USA that sets oil prices? do you really believe that?. If oil companies had more oil they sell it on the open market, they do not keep it to sell to Americans. They are private firms built up to make money.

    Paul Volcker (GOP fed chairman) says over the next term Pres Obama will increase the deficit by 800 billion and Mitt will increase it by 1.2 trillion. Vote your wallet or vote for Mitt to have yet a higher deficit.

    The dems have created more jobs since 1970 by 3 times than have the GOP, so tell me why vote for the GOP.

    Mitt can fix the debt but chooses not to as he would have to upset the big banks and money players.

    hard facts are the debt is less with the existing regime and for that reason it makes no sense to elect Mr. Romney.

    Were either party to actually address the debt they would be swept into power.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Colorado’s Republican Secretary of State ordered Denver to not mail ballots to any voter who didn’t vote in 2010. Why Denver? Anyone’s guess, but Denver has the state’s highest concentration of blacks and Hispanics.

    A Denver judge intervened saying he had no right to do that. But the guy wouldn’t quit. Next, he mailed out 4,000 letters to residents he suspected of not being citizens demanding they produce proof of citizenship and eligibility to vote. A local news station ran computer searches on other databases that showed 82% of them as citizens with the rest needing further checking. So far, the Secretary of States office hasn’t found a single one who isn’t a citizen. Now, I’m just waiting to see what the guy tries next.

    That’s just Colorado. There are news reports of this type of thing going on across the country.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Ann Coulter called this over a year ago, "If we don't nominate Chris Christie, Romney will win the nomination and we'll lose". Republicans have the habit of choosing the nominee that lost 4 years earlier. This blind loyality doomed them in 2008 and will again this year. Democrats pick a fresh face with a new exciting message. Romney has run the worst campain since George McGovern. The only credible reason he has given to vote for him is that he is not Obama. People want more than that but he constanly changes his opinions, comes accross stiff while campaigning, and appears to be distrustful to the majority of Americans. To bad Republicans can't have a do-over on the primary. It's looking more like 4 more years of B.O.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    So it seems as though you have forgotten his promises, too, just as Obama has and so many Americans have. And you deny that gas went from $2 to $4 rapidly and that Obama made the promise to create new and cheaper sources of energy. Are there any promises that you recall? Oh yeah, you remember the health care reform promise. You just forget that he said it we be a bipartisan initiative and that instead, he deals in the backroom with democrats. I remember the great line, "We have to pass it to know what is in it" by Pelosi. And the passage was clearly admitted by the Democrats, including Obama, to be a Democrat Party (not bipartisan) victory.
    I did not right that everything is the President's fault. I simply wrote that Obama promised to take all these things on, own them, and fix them. HE said it, not me. Try to remember please and comment on those facts specifically.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    The debates should be interesting but It will be hard for Romney to change his image now. The republican platform is what it is.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    I had a psychology professor years ago who worked for the government also by developing polling questions. She admitted in class one day that they could get a poll to come out however they wanted by carefully shaping the question.

    What makes me sad is that the reason the polls are manipulated is that many people are swayed by what other people (supposedly) think and not by their own research and commitment.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    The forecast models assume that record numbers will turn out to vote for Obama again. Not likely, though Obama is doing his best to scare people about losing their entitlements.
    And Independent voters are not impressed with Obama.
    Conservatives are more reliable when it comes to turn out and they clearly won't vote for Obama.
    It'll be an interesting election.
    Remember, it's all about electoral votes so urban precincts have the advantage.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    I love it.. it you don't like the news, discredit the messanger. Today's RealClearPolitics survey of polls has every source including the conservative favorite Rasmussen Tracking having it at a tie (only Rasmeeusen has it that way) or a widening gap. FoxNews has Obama up by 5%. In North Carolina the swing in RCP pool averag has gone from Romney +6 to Obama +1 in the matter of two weeks.

    Will the pools change more - of course. They don't indicate anything yet other than trends. But to discredite the results because you don't like them... good grief. Are we saying FoxNews has swung to pro-Obama?

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    @Mayhem Mike
    That's one think I don't understand. Why are the younger voters so enamored with Obama? It's painfully obvious that he is destroying all hopes for a prosperous future for them. Even though I am middle aged and debt free if Obama wins it is going to be very painful. I've already had to cut my spending cause of the skyrocketing cost of living and no wage increases. If Obama wins there will be a lot of his young followers living in their parents basement and delivering pizzas when they get out of college.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Through out history, most people have lived in poverty.

    At some point, they were deceived into excepting corrupt leadership.

    Like a mouse walking into a trap, the people of America are marching into poverty. A government, which is in debt sixteen trillion dollars, will not be able to sustain the handouts, and the reactions of our citizens won't be pleasant.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    The gap will continue to widen.
    While I had looked forward to Romney taking over Bushes job of providing endless material for comedians.
    His daily comments have become less humorous and kinda sad in showing just how disconnected he actually is.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    It's a slow morning so I really appreciate the comic relief reading the comments. I heard a discussion last night about how the right is planting seeds of doubt about political polls so that if President Obama wins the election they will already have a foundation for claiming the election is not legitimate. And then Cinci Man reiterates the common Republican mantra of how everything wrong with America is the President's fault and everything right has happened in spite of his efforts.

    I wish the right would just accept that a young man whose father is from Africa and whose mother is a white woman from Kansas really was born in the United States, really is a natural born citizen, really did work hard in school and eventually found himself at Columbia University and then Harvard Law School, and yes, rather than take a job with a high powered law firm, he chose to be a community organizer working with people whose circuimstances were less than positive, and finally, after winning a state and national senate seat, was elected by a majority of Americans to lead the nation. Just get over it.

  • southern heat Hurricane, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Nice to see that some out there understand what a "survey" really means. The media pump out these surveys and make sure they say what they want them to say. Was watching the news last night and it said, just 10 hours ago, that the races were neck and neck and now the DN says Obama is "widening his lead"...what lead? Maybe they can run a survey that shows how spending trillions of dollars has helped us??? We are no better off than when Obama first started making his promises. Maybe they can run a survey showing how we actually are worse off. Go figure!!

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    I've said it before and I'll probably say it again, but these forums are going to be a blast after Obama wins...

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    The race remains close and Obama still has to overcome Republican's voter suppression efforts.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    1conservative brought a welcome laugh this morning. Anyone who thinks Obama will make things better with a more republican and conservative house and senate is kidding themselves. The gridlock is going to wonderful to see, at least from the standpoint of a conservative who knows that government is not the answer. His election will only hurt those who can least afford it, the poor. So much for Democratic compassion.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    The best indication of polling results is to check out the average of many polls. RealClearPolitics has a daily average of the top polls which tends to smooth out the inherent errors of polling. The RCP data shows Obama up by 3.6% nationally and doing even better in the swing states. (They even include the right biased Rassmussen and Fox polls.)

    Romney is clearly having problems with his campaign, it will be interesting to see if the desperation starts to unhinge his efforts, or if he can turn things around. Let's hope Mitt has more luck than King Canute.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Hey, I'm a Romney supporter, but go ahead and vote for Obama---what do I care? I've got MY Social Security and Medicare checks coming along nicely, and, I can afford higher gas prices. Also, my private practice is doing quite nicely. It's you younger (Obama) supporters that may pay the price for continued deficit spending.

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Don't fall for this one folks...This poll was HIGHLY SKEWED toward Democrat voters. The internals tell the story. Of those who responded in Florida, 28% were Republicans and 34% Democrat (+6 D); in Ohio 26% R and 35% D (+9 D), and in WI 28% R and 32% D (+4 D). When asked whether they considered themselves Strong Republicans versus Not Strong the breakdown was 73/25, 63/35, and 71/27 respectively. When asked if they were Strong Democrat versus Not Strong, the breakdown was 73/25, 73/26, and 77/23. Turnout will not mirror these numbers. When you run the numbers based on an average of who ACTUALLY voted in 2004 and 2008, Romney wins in landslide. Voter turnout will more likely be similar to 2010, a Republican rout, and could even be WORSE for the democrats than in 2010 because Obama has dropped even more in favorability since 2010 with no turn around in the economy. So, you can take this attempt at conservative voter suppression with a grain of salt...i.e...this poll is, otherwise, meaningless. And prepare yourself for cooked positive numbers in the economy in October as well.

  • Diet-Mormon Cache county, USA
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    This is all in the bible.
    Things aren't supposed to get better.
    Just prepare, and get ready to defend your home.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    We are a polarized nation of makers and takers. Soon, we will find out if the takers continue to outnumber the makers.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    A vote for Obama is a vote for $6 - $8 gasoline prices. He took us from $2 to $4, an increase of 100% almost overnight. We have no new energy initiatives. He promised new energy sources and he hasn't kept that promise. Unemployment has risen and never dropped. He promised he would own and repair the economy and put Americans back to work. He promised the unions he would picket right with them, and once again, he didn't keep that promise. He now says he wants us to trust him to rebuild America. His shovel ready jobs never appeared, except for one. He promised unprecedented transparency, and we got backroom deals. One thing he promised that he truly kept. He promised more food stamps and welfare giveaways. But he forgot that he promised to get deficit spending turned around into balanced budgets. He promised affordable health care, but instead delivered soaring costs with fewer insurance coverages. But of course, all his failures are the fault of the Republicans. That's another promise he kept. Why do so many Americans want to give him another term?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:23 a.m.


    Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to assure you that the polls are "over sampling Democrats." KSL is already running with it.

  • Physics27 Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    I still cannot figure out why anyone would want to vote for Obama. What is this country coming to? He has spent half of his time in office campaigning instead of doing his job. I don't mean my comments as an insult to anyone who would vote for Obama. I am simply not understanding their reasoning.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    Finally, some good news in this election season.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:49 a.m.


    CBS and NY Times are two of Obama's biggest cheerleaders. The citizens aren't fooled quite that easy.

    I suppose the survey respondents were asked "would you rather have a root canal or vote for Barack Obama"?

    What amazing results!!