Vai's View: BYU performance is not what ESPN signed up for

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  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Sept. 25, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Tough situation. BYU goes independent, then immediately embarks on what is beginning to look like a death spiral. Without some dramatic improvement, ESPN is going to tire of us...we are already getting attitude from gameday analysts...and our ability to recruit quality talent will be diminished due to lack of prospective team success. In am the most adamant BYU fan I know, but this is indeed hard to watch. Bronco, if his pride will let him do it, should be retained as Defensive co-ordinator and maximize his expertise. He'd be considered one of the best in the business. We need a knowledgeable, clever, well experienced and creative Offensive co-ordinator, who can think on his feet. I wish I was smart enough to know who that might be, but I doubt they are currently employed at BYU. Doman seems to be very much "in over his head" currently. He was over-promoted into his current position as indicated by his performance and results. We are also in need of a full time, not combo, but dedicated Head Coach. Andy Reid? Maybe, but both jobs together are clearly too much for one extraordinary man to handle.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    Worf, I usually like what you write, but I am not for taking shots at our rivals, even though some of their fans will do it to us. The fact is we have serious problems. And I am incidentally quite upset that Lark isn't getting the chance to play, at least for a couple of games. There's plenty of time to let Hill develop later in the season. But, I think Doman probably isn't the right guy. And maybe Ty Detmer is.

    I also am very much in favor of Bronco's focus on representing the Church. However, I have long felt that a priority much higher than fifth for the football team represents the Church much better than service projects or even firesides. Frankly, if the program is not able to compete at a very high level, there really is no point in having it. And maybe they can't do it while requiring compliance with the Honor Code, etc. I know things were unfortunately decidedly looser years ago in its heyday. So if they can't do it, they can't. But I would like to see a better attempt.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    Worf, I usually like what you write, but I am not for taking shots at our rivals, even though some of their fans will do it to us. The fact is we have serious problems. And I am incidentally quite upset that Lark isn't getting the chance to play, at least for a couple of games. There's plenty of time to let Hill develop later in the season. But, I think Doman probably isn't the right guy. And maybe Ty Detmer is.

    I also am very much in favor of Bronco's focus on representing the Church. However, I have long felt that a priority much higher than fifth for the football team represents the Church much better than service projects or even firesides. Frankly, if the program is not able to compete at a very high level, there really is no point in having it. And maybe they can't do it while requiring compliance with the Honor Code, etc. I know things were unfortunately decidedly looser years ago in its heyday. So if they can't do it, they can't. But I would like to see a better attempt.

    Sept. 25, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    If BYU were in a power conference I would tell everyone to calm down a little. But, they are not and they need to be putting the best team on the field they can as a result.

    They are riding themselves to a paycheck, not the coattails of USC and UCLA.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 24, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    It always amazes me to "see" the huge number of football geniuses among the readership. None of which, of course, could hold a candle to Bronco Mendenhall. As to "wins vs. firesides": "The things that matter most must never be at the mercy of those that matter least". (Goethe) Take a "peak" (peek?).

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Sept. 23, 2012 10:52 a.m.


    You definitely got half of that right. Play on the field was not the reason Utah was invited to join the PAC 12. However, you apparently missed the recently published U.S. News and World Report university rankings which placed BYU 68th and Utah 125th in the national universities category. Clearly it was all about the academics.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 23, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Mcallen, TX
    Utah performance isn't what the PAC 12 signed up for.


    Right. Especially since play on the field is not the only reason they were invited to join the PAC 12 in the first place.
    BYU fans love to leave out that research and academics are reasons as well. Some conference out there will take you and will be a good fit for your lack of research and academics.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 23, 2012 12:14 a.m.

    Utah performance isn't what the PAC 12 signed up for.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Sept. 23, 2012 12:08 a.m.

    So we have now come to the fact that the "exposure" that BYU wanted has come back to bite them. It is time to get this trainwreck back on track. First, the offensive coordinator needs to go. Second, the head coach needs to go. Third, the Cougars need to get affiliated with a conference. If you look at what is going on all around them, BSU, Utah, Notre Dame, others... are moving away from being able to schedule the Cougars. If you think half of this year's schedule is poor, wait for the next 2 years. Unfortunately, I see the slow death of a once great athletic program. It would appear that the AD and others at BYU are slowly letting the fire go out on athletics at BYU.

  • dlr Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2012 12:03 a.m.

    Can we now expect an article by Val about How Utah's (his new favorite team) Performance is Not What the PAC 10 Signed Up For?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:49 p.m.

    Everyone knows Vai's background and his ties to BYU. Its very revealing and says a lot about several BYU fans calling him out. You share your opinions here, but at the same time go after Vai for his. What a shame.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    I agree with Vai's analysis concerning the call to go for two, but I don't think ESPN is looking to leave this deal yet. Coach Mendenall's call for two was gutsy, but was not smart. His defense was dominating the game and Boise had no confidence in their kicker. I have read many comments about how smart this call was because of momentum, but this was an emotional decision instead of a football decision. If BYU had made the converion, Boise had plenty of time to still win with a field goal. With a tie game, the pressure is greater on an Offense that had struggled all evening. With overtime and a short field, BYU's offense had a decent chance of gaining some ground and getting at least a FG. BYU's defense would make it tough for Boise to get much closer and so the FG attempt would most likely be 35 or longer. Coach Bronco needs to hold players accountable for all the stupid penalties as well. Very disappointing game results the past two weeks.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    The past few years have been troubling for BYU fans. First the Big12 is looking for a couple of slots to fill and BYU won't even throw it's hat in the ring. All we ever heard from Holmoe is BYU wants to be independent - BYU loves their ESPN contract and won't give up the TV games. ESPN reported several times that the Big12 was very serious about getting BYU but it was BYU which showed little if any interest in the Big12. Go figure. Opportunities like that don't come around all that often. Secondly this mysterious booting of Robert Anae out the door after he produced record setting years with Beck and Hall at QB. Remember how great it was to get Anae after Crowton? Finally, Doman seems to be tayloring BYU to his old days at Sky Line High. Doman was an option QB and I never understood why Brandon was moved to QB coach let alone Offensive coordinator. Now the Y offense is probably it's worst since before Lavell took over. You have to go back before Mark Lyons in the 1960's. BYU has 2 GREAT receivers but no qb. SAD!

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    BYU's performance is not what I signed up for. Sorry, Bronco, but you are NOT a good head coach, despite your win/lose record. You make a good defensive coach, but your offense and choice of OC, along with your game decisions need revamping. You and your offensive staff don't utilize the talent you have, because of your "love" for your seasoned players. What a waste of talent and disappointment to the fans. And the fans, not the school, pay your salary.

  • Lermentov PROVO, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    I think it's really unfair to attack the firesides because the game didn't work. I think Bronco's efforts to unite the team with the purpose of the university is noble, really more innovative than the earlier times. I'm not excusing poor play, but it is interesting to note that a barely missed field goal and a barely missed 2 point conversion is the difference between the two loses, ugly games though they were. We'd all be singing a different tune if those would've fallen our way.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 4:42 p.m.


    This article smarts

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    Eww.... Don't look now cougar fanss. Oregon State is thumping on UCLA. Might be another loss there. sigh.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 22, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    Bronco is a good defensive coach and a good recruiter. Doman is clearly not a good OC yet, if ever.

    Why start an injured Nelson?
    Why keep Nelson in the game after two horrible turnovers?
    Why start Nelson in the 2nd half? Why not start Lark in 2nd half? Would he have been worse? At least he would have disrupted BSU's defensive scheme.

    Point to consider: Heaps was improving under Anae. Played a great bowl game. Got worse every game under Doman.
    Riley Nelson took over and now is a worse QB. This this a pattern or just coincidence?

    Start looking for a new OC now. Play

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Sept. 22, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    It is far past time to have a reality check. This fan reaction is not just in the shadow of the embarrassment in Boise on Thursday night. It is 3 straight losses to Utah and the real fear that is developing of having a very disappointing season like we haven't suffered since Crowton embarrassed us just prior to his termination. We watched Doman as a QB and all that mess entailed. We know that it is him and not Bronco that muffed the game last week and this week. It is the shadow of two straight losses after beating not going anywhere WSU squared. Kind of funny, but that is the reality. Weber State and Washington State are both Universities with as much a punch as a child with no arms. People are way right in saying that Vai is wrong with his assessment of Espn being upset with their contract. What an off base and relatively naive thing to say! BYU will ALWAYS bring money to the table no matter where they go. Because BYU has loyal supporters no matter how deep the funk!

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Sept. 22, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Vai is 100 percent correct. I have always defended Bronco but this team is under performing. The hiring of Doman is bad enough to cost Bronco his job. The qb needed was Lark but for some reason they wanted Riley jr in the game. If I was the AD I'd fire the whole staff after the year is done.

  • JP Boston Boston, MA
    Sept. 22, 2012 2:16 p.m.


    Even though I am a LOYAL BYU fan... the bravado of these comments are amazing. Don't worry about the ESPN contract???


    When are we going to realize that there is way too much hype in this program? In Texas you NEVER see the 'BYU level hype' around TCU. TCU comes out almost every year and SPANKS almost everyone they play.

    Where's their ESPN contract? We all need to wake up and listen to a REAL NFL PLAYER, PRO-BOWLER, and EMMY AWARD WINNER. As easy as ESPN contracts come, they can quickly go.

    Keep it going VAI..... let PERFORMANCE do the TALKING across all BYU programs - athletic and academic.

    GO BYU!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 1:45 p.m.


    Vai's motivation is his personal dislike of Bronco. He's stated it here while trying to be cryptic about it. Bronco did not hire Mark Atuaia as the RB coach and it made Vai mad. Now it could be that Mark, a guy I admire a great deal by the way, might have been an excellent rb coach and I hope he still gets an opportunity some day, but head coaches need to be able to hire the guys they feel are best suited for the job at the time. Bronco may have been wrong and hired the wrong guy, but Vai shouldn't make it personal, especially publicly.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Vai, Vai, Vai. Give. Me. A. Break. Why the hyperventilating about the ESPN contract over two *very close* games in 2012 when it doesn't run its course until 2019? BYU is twelve inches and four points from a perfect season, thus far. Take a breath. Do you seriously think ESPN believed there would be no defense-oriented outcomes in eight years of play? The fact is that today's game will have zero impact on that still-84-months-distant renewal decision. Your entire premise is nonsense, and I just can't figure out your motivation for ever bringing it to print.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Sept. 22, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Vai takes a view of BYU football that is simply too narrow. Look at the price of college football contracts nationally, with many conferences in the billions of dollars with teams that do not match the national following of BYU. Given BYU's national following, win or lose, ESPN will continue to see a great deal of value in BYU football. Advertisers pay a premium for live sporting events, and as long as they do ESPN will make plenty of money on the BYU contract.

    Meanwhile, Vai is ignoring that BCS teams are also taking in large amounts of money through state subsidies. USA Today reports that the subsidy for the Utes athletic department is almost $10 million per year.

    Vai - if you are going to talk about money, why not talk about how BCS teams should not be receiving funding? Why not start by talking about how it is time for the Ute athletic department to be self-supporting? There is no excuse for BCS teams to be taking state money out of the state's education funding when they have billion dollar TV contracts. They should be paying some of that TV money into the education fund.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    Sept. 22, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    One "loyal" BYU fan wants Doman's job, as he is sure Doman called no pass plays aimed more than 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. I don't know how he can know that, but I sure would like someone to tell me what channel is broadcasting from the sideline, the press box above, or the huddle.

    Get a grip, people, college football these days involves people a lot faster and more accomplished than when you were a high school BMOC, and unless watched the film on BSU's defensive schemes, assessed the speed and blitz packages they employ, and you were inside Riley's helmet and getting all his reads transmitted, I would guess you are in over your head.

  • AlottaBalatas Centerville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    @ SAMMY G, 17-14 & Daffy Duck

    Funny how things change over time. Over a quarter century ago, most Ute fans cheered for Utah and whomever played BYU. BYU fans didn't care who Utah played - Utah was irrelevant. It was the Ute's who bashed their coaches and administration. Now it appears you, 17-14 and Daffy cheer for Utah's opponents, citing every flaw, every loss . . . especially Colorado. And worse, criticize BYU coaching only weeks after bragging of their superiority over Whitt and staff. Oh the hypocrisy!

    So, please wear your Buffs, Devils, Aggie and Huskies gear with pride and keep the comments coming. In the meantime, we'll enjoy Utah's schedule (even the losses), the talent of our opponents, and our coaches and players. But honestly, we love the irony. Keep the (Utah) opponent bandwagon coming. Makes for great reading.

    Go Utes, Aggies, even BYU and the PAC-12 - except when they play the Utes.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    The funny thing about this is, BYU fans are just now realizing how bad their team and coaching staff is. What they don't understand is BYU has been this bad since Bronco took over (save 06 and 07). Since Bronco took over BYU is 14-20 against teams currently in a BCS conference. After this season he will most likely be 14-23. BYU thought they were great with 10 win seasons against Idaho and New Mexico State. This is the reality BYU needed to face long before this season began.

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    The QB situation and the offense has been mostly a mess for the past 3 years. Let's stop being cute with starting freshman and atypical players. Time for a personnel change among the coaching staff.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    ASU by 17 today over Utah. BYU 6-6 for the season. Utah 6-6 for the season.

    Go root for a good team, y'all, like maybe them purty ducks......

  • Wally20 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    Play Lark, you need a passer and he is it. With a poor offensive line use Lark and bring Hill along slowly with spot plays so he is ready for next year. You don't want to lose Hill for next year.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Sept. 22, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    Sammyg asks, "So I'm wondering, if the Utes lose today will there be such an outpouring of discontent for Johnson, Whit and any poor performing players?"

    An interesting question. I hope my Utes get by the Sun Devils this evening, but Vegas expects them to lose. If that happens (and I obviously hope it doesn't), I doubt there will be as much of an "outpouring of discontent" by the Ute fanbase as we have seen by the BYU faithful in the last week.

    Way too much drama among the Cougar fans, in my opinion....

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    @proud ute

    Your obsession with me, evidenced by your multiple posts in reply to only one of mine, is endearing.


  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 22, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It? said:

    "No Conference Will Take Us

    The only thing truly unpopular and screams loathing is your failed attempts at impersonating a BYU fan.

    I look forward to seeing the Utes getting pounded today.

    Maybe that will cheer up all of the 'doom and gloom' around here. It certainly brightens up my day remembering how the Utes were destroyed by Colorado last year and owned by a WAC team, USU, a couple of weeks ago!

    Yep, I feel better already!"

    Lookee here. A BYU fan with no vision of their program. It's ok to cry and be bitter. Your BCS busting chase is over. OVER!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 9:03 a.m.


    "byu has never and never will be in the Fiesta Bowl."

    Uh....BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before utah ever did.


  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    I have never been all that impressed with Mendenhall and have made no secret about it. I don't agree that BYU football is all about preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think football is just football. However, if a team has the reputation of being exceptionally good sports, play a clean game, and are gracious in victory and in defeat, it can be good public relations for the team and for the school. HOWEVER, this is not what we have seen over the last few years (Max Hall's rant FOR WHICH HE WAS NEVER PUNISHED is just one that comes to mind). You can have all the firesides you want but if you shoot your mouths off, it more than offsets the good those firesides may have done. I have never understood the intense loyalty to Mendenhall exhibited by some BYU fans (reminds me of iphone loyalty). Vai has done nothing more than speak the obvious. I would like to see BYU clean house and start over from scratch with a brand new coaching staff.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Vai, you have no idea what you are talking about.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    "While I agree with vai's points here his credibility to make these complaints is non existent. We all know from his articles that he is much more of a utah "fan" now and that he dislikes Bronco a great deal"

    How do you like that Vai, despite your many years as an athlete, supporter and Ambassador for BYU you made the mistake of having an opinion you didn't clear with the self appointed oracle of everything BYU.

    And no troll, I don't know that he is more of a Utah fan. Just because somebody's opinion differs from yours it doesn't mean they are they are less of a Cougar fan, it just means they don't suscribe your narrow view of what it means to be a fan.

    Take a breath and relax little man.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    No Conference Will Take Us

    The only thing truly unpopular and screams loathing is your failed attempts at impersonating a BYU fan.

    I look forward to seeing the Utes getting pounded today.

    Maybe that will cheer up all of the 'doom and gloom' around here. It certainly brightens up my day remembering how the Utes were destroyed by Colorado last year and owned by a WAC team, USU, a couple of weeks ago!

    Yep, I feel better already!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Wow, look at all of the Utesies and the BYU faithful bandwagon fans coming together. Such a kumbaya moment to dog pile on the coach and program.

    While I was disappointed with the game as much as anyone, it is just one game. Plenty of games and time to correct some stupid problems. If it takes several games for the QB problem to correct itself, so be it. It is what it is. Nothing we can do as fans except to show our support and be patient.

    So I'm wondering, if the Utes lose today will there be such an outpouring of discontent for Johnson, Whit and any poor performing players?

  • Snarrbucks New Bloomfield, mo
    Sept. 22, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    This is exactly why football should not be the focus at BYU. Didn't we already see one coach run out of Provo because he couldn't be Lavell Edwards? Come on, get your priorities straight. Football is only a game.

  • BlakeR St Joseph, MI
    Sept. 22, 2012 5:54 a.m.

    All sports aside, and notwithstanding Vai's edgy, but honest comparison of the strengths of current program to programs of our relished memories, there has been a significant, marked advancement in the honor and integrity that surrounds BYU Sports these days compared to the programs of yesteryear. While the BYU teams today struggle to measure up to the win-loss columns and national prominence of the McMahon, Young, and Ainge eras, when they do, if even for a game, today's teams under leaders like Mendenhal and Rose, as a group, are much more closely aligned with not only who they really are, but what BYU is all about at its core. Too many past coaches and fans alike are okay with BYU being a bit less true to its core, as long as the win-loss column was fine. The older I get, I get further removed from that kind of thinking, even though a game like Thursday was difficult to watch. I like the path that BYU has taken which has as its goal the restoration of past greatness matched with integrity. That path is clearly Tradition, Spirit, Honor --come what may, win or lose.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    Sept. 22, 2012 3:31 a.m.

    Chrissy B seems to harp on the firesides - a very powerful recruiting tool for both the school and the team, no doubt, and I have to wonder what the point is in doing so. (I am probably assigning more intellectual accuity there than there really is, but in trying to meet DN's standards, er, lip service at respect...)

    I suspect Chris B., like most of the BYU haters who adopt the useless Utes as their fairweather team, is simply attacking the quality of people BYU attracts and admits, and its unwavering adherence to such standards in a plummeting world. And why would that be? Simple. Rejection. By one side or the other, Chrissy B and his ilk couldn't be admitted to, accepted by, or likely make a positive impression upon anyone associated with the University.

    Two losses, by a combined four points, on two lucky plays has the Cougar faithful in the dumps, for sure, but we are not to be deterred by the likes of Chrissy B's vain and shallow unwitticisms in our support for the solidly class-act that BYU is in any arena or stage, and the foundations built on campus.

  • HowbouthisJAZZ Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 2:30 a.m.

    From the game. That said, BYU's D has allowed lees than 300 yds of offense in 10 straight games now. I'd say that is pretty spectacular! This D is something special!

    Anyway Cougar fans, let's all just calm down and realize that BYU had a chance in both of their losses, no matter how poorly the offense has played. You can thank the D for that. If Doman can learn to call a consistent game, we'll be just fine.

    Lastly, for those who say we can't get the 'elite' QB's anymore, heaps was a top 5 QB in his class (all hype), Hill was highly recruited and will be a great QB when he learns more than 8 plays, Riley was good enough to be recruited by Boise (I'm not saying he's elite), tanner mangum was a top 10 QB recruit, etc. so I'm not buying it.

    Alright, one more thing, BYU needs to be in a conference, period. They will be in the Big East within the next 2 years. That is all!

  • HowbouthisJAZZ Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 2:15 a.m.

    Guys, Bronco is in the top 10 in the nation in winning percentage. This is the problem with sports these days! Good coaches are canned way too often because of un-realistic fans! It was 1 game! 1 game! If you want to point fingers, point them at Riley. He accounted for 90% of BYU's problems in both games against BSU and UTAH. He tried to do way too much against Utah and you could tell he was injured even in that game. Give credit to BSU and UTAH for not making mistakes to cost them the game. Riley should have never been in the game against BSU! When you can't even throw a quick out to the short side of the field, you are too hurt to play and you have no business throwing a 20 yd corner to the endzone! If Riley is healthy, that throw would have been pitch and catch. Hoffman was open and in position to make the over the top catch, but Riley's pass was about 7 yds short. He should have went to the coaches right there and pulled himself...

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Sept. 22, 2012 1:35 a.m.

    I agree with Alpine Coug! Bronco needs to have a PPI with Bro. Doman. Don't put all the blame on Riley. Doman never called a pass play over 10 yards long. If you watched the replays of Rileys interceptions in the 2nd half, there is not one BYU reciever that has less than 2 guys within 5 yards of them. BSU pulled there safties up and dared Doman to call a fly or fade or deep post and he never did. Riley doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, but we saw him deliver a nice pass in the final seconds of the Utah game. If Doman would learn how to call a game BYU might be 4-0 and in the top 20.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2012 1:17 a.m.

    Response to @bendersen, part 2:

    I agree that the fanaticism toward and time devoted to BYU athletics by many otherwise intelligent individuals (myself included) begs a rational explanation. I have none. In fact, when I think seriously about how much time and angst I invest in following BYU football and how much a loss affects my mood I am more than a little embarrassed. You may be on to something @bandersen.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2012 1:13 a.m.

    -- Posted in two segments because of length --


    I admire your boldness in trying to inject some important overarching considerations into a discussion originally centered on a specific BYU athletic event. Your comments prompted the type of unpleasant introspection that I usually try hard to avoid. The case you make has both logical and “spiritual” merit and a number of my relatives who are BYU graduates share your view. Some even contend that the perfect storm for BYU football in 1984 did more PR damage than good. At present, BYU’s supporting institution (the Church to which most BYU students/graduates belong) considers BYU’s participation in intercollegiate athletics to be a useful tool in achieving its broader mission (the idea that BYU athletics can be separately “compartmentalized” from other more spiritually oriented Church-directed endeavors runs counter to this view and Bronco Mendenhall clearly understands this). The actual value of BYU athletics in achieving lofty saintly goals legitimately can be questioned as you have done and the counter-arguments supporting your position would likely prevail in any real debate.

    Sept. 22, 2012 12:52 a.m.

    Alpine coug

    Let Oklahoma pay Boise back, byu has never and never will be in the Fiesta Bowl. BYU had absolutley nothing to do with that game.

    Sept. 22, 2012 12:36 a.m.

    BYU is without a doubt in trouble with ESPN, they have had numerous chances to be worthy to be on the network but have failed miserably. Why would ESPN keep showing byu games, you had three chances to win last week and whatever you call that joke last night, WOW. Just aint going to happen, the football program at the y is on a great big yellow slip n slide, you are headed right back where you started=Gary Crowton

  • RDNDYANKS West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Fact of the matter is they should of pulled Riley on the fumble he had. Although it was a tough play from the blindside but he didn't have at and was lost back there. It would be a different story had they put in Hill earlier in the game. He clearly is a better athlete than Riley and has a better arm. But how he looked in the pocket was a if he never took any snaps in practice field in College Football. My biggest issue is that Doman doesn't improve his offensive players and especially QB's. Doman himself was a great athlete but not a good passer . He was a great runner/ passer and that is how his QB's have looked. The mark of a good coach is how you make your players better!! if Bronco starts Riley he should be fired!! Riley is not a D-1 QB. Sorry love your GRIT but need more than that at the college level!!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Sept. 21, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    This might not be popular with fellow BYU fans. But I would take Mike Leach as our coach about now. He is the closest we would ever get to Edwards style of football. He will have Washington State playing a high octane passing game soon enough wit the right players.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    Despite my history as a well established Bronco defender, I appreciate the publication of this refreshingly edgy commentary as well as many of the subsequent comments (I commend DN for not filtering even the most inane of these). Some opinions:

    The decision to go for 2 was beyond mindless. The Bayesian part of me recoiled immediately upon seeing this folly unfold.

    While one has to admire his grittiness, Nelson should have acknowledged the severity of his injury and given Hill and Lark the bulk of the reps during the limited practices in the few days available for preparation.

    Neither Bronco nor Peterson displayed anything resembling their reputed coaching intelligence in this game.

    Neither BSU nor BYU are top 25 teams.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 21, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    byu fans will look back at how close you were to a BCS game after this season.

    Other than the loss to Utah
    and boise
    and notre dame
    and georgia tech
    and utah state
    and Oregon state

    Other than those - you had a BCS game in your reach!


    The will lose one of the last two games of the season on the road. Go Spartans!

    Sept. 21, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    I'm a Ute fan and I am sick to death of Chris B. and his comments. Get a life dude!

  • az2ut South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 10:28 p.m.


    THANK YOU for saying what so many of us have been thinking for some time now.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    Bronco is a poor head coach. The only time you go for two is if you are up by one or five and there is no chance you will get the ball back.

  • Chris B's psychiatrist Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 21, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    This is an article that Vai should have written and then stuck in a locked drawer, never to see the light of day. He clearly must have written it shortly after the game when in an overly emotional state. It was not up to his usual standards.

    By the way, no comment of Chis B should ever see the light of day.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    I seem to remember when BYU signed on with ESPN part of that agreement ment BYU had to perform to ESPNs standards. That being said, they would still have the contract and keep BYU, but they would be on the stations that are shown everywhere. And anybody that follows sports knows it isn't true that a contract is a contract. Look how may coaches have lost their jobs even though they have a contract!
    One last comment...Even you die hard BYU fans have to admit, the best play of the game was watching Bronco running around like a crazy man! I've always wanted to see more emothion from him but that was a little embarassing to watch.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Sept. 21, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    I don't know Y vail and bYu fans get so worked up about not playing like it's '83.

    I don't hear Army fans getting worked up about not playing like it's '43
    Minnasota fans weeping that if they can only get back to playing like '32

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    I understand much of the frustration BYU fans have with Bronco. But he is the right guy for your program. Bronco is doing things the way the administration at BYU wants him to do it.

    The days of LaVell are not her any more. College football has caught up to replicate and not be caught off guard by a west coast offense anymore.

    BYU has better athletes overall now than they had with LaVell, but not by much. Players are bigger, faster, and stronger in general now. Still, the way Bronco recruits is limiting to the program in keeping up with other top programs.

    Lavell recruited athletes if he could get them. He then won over their heart in trying to fit into the culture. Currently, BYU's brand name is bigger and they get players they used to not get. That is except for QBs. When BYU was a passing phenomenon, they attracted big name QBs (even non-Mormon ones like McMahon, Sarkesian, and Detmer (who was later baptized).

    BYU hasn't been a passing beacon of an offense for quite some time, so getting a star QB is tough, like it is for most schools (Utah included).

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    BYU's kicking game may not have been at its best.
    But, probability of making a PAT is still higher than
    making a 2-pt conversion.
    Going for a PAT and not making it looks smarter than
    going for a 2-pt and not making it.
    In either way, with BYU D was playing decently, not
    going for on side kick in either scenario...made the
    coach looked very "amateurish".

    Bronco made the right decision because it exposed
    his coaching skills in front of national audience just
    like BYU football has been exposed the last 2 seasons
    in ESPN.

  • SportsFann Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    Thanks for your great insight Bro. Obvious. I, however, agreed with Bronco on the 2 point conversion. BYU's kicking game hasn't been exactly automatic.

  • BaseBallobserver Kyasville, utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    As I look at college football in the state of Utah over the last two years, I have come to the conclusion that Coach Anderson at Utah State has done the most with the talent he has. Whit recruits well, and seems solid all the way around, and Bronco seems like he is in over his head.

    Even though Anderson was a D-Coordinator, he seems to have a better overall feel for the game than Bronco does. There is no justification for some... sorry, for most of the moves he has made with his team. The BS game was just another example of why a tougher schedule in coming years will hurt BYU more than help. You can have 20 HD trucks, but if you continue to play like this, nobody is going to care. BYU is a D-1 school, and needs a D-1 caliber coach. I'm not talking Nick Saban caliber, but they need better that Tony the Pony.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    Okay Vai, why not you become the Head Coach and demote Bronco to be D's coach.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Sept. 21, 2012 7:45 p.m.


  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    There is a reason why the church ended athletics at BYU-Idaho. Just look at the importance these 'fans' and writer place on a game. No matter how you slice it up, it is still a game. Most sports heroes place way too much value on what good a championship team at BYU does for the church. My good samaritan next door neighbor does more good than all the BYU championships combined. Championships in most cases just produces vanity and arrogance, something that is quite evident here. Give me a break!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    Vai....until BYU attracts a better class of coach than Bronco or Whit, BYU will never see the days Edwards brought every year! We need a Holmgren type at BYU!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    Which offensive coordinator will be gone first? Doman or BJ?

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    Patriot, you are a good man! I agree with you whole heartedly. Doman is the worst coordinator BYU has suffered through since 1969. And, perhaps Bronco should just take his fireside emphasizing bum on the road too. It is time for a fresh start. Just start over with say Steve Young... I bet he could do what nobody since Lavell left has had the brains to do... Produce BYU quality football that he himself played a huge part of during that era.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    ESPN got their money's worth on the Utah game.

    As for all the hand wringing - we lost 2 close games (although losing to Utah is like losing 5), and probably should have won them both. Probably would've won them both if Nelson hadn't been playing with the injury of if he had been pulled in the Utah game. I'm optimistic if Hill takes over. Sad to say that -- I've been a Nelson fan, but don't see him getting it together this season.

    Totally agree the 2 point attempt made no sense. We had the momentum, but no way could we guarantee 3 yards on a small field. Our chances were much better in OT. Also agree the play calling has been terrible.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Vai, you are 100% emphatically wrong on this. ESPN did not sign a contract with BYU with a guarantee of certain performance. If they did you had better show the contract. Success of the 'marquee' team being spotlighted on ESPN is not, has never been and will never be what draws advertiser money into a station's pockets. The viewers do! And, there are fans for BYU just like there were for the Utes during their stink years where they made perfect punch lines for jokes that watch the team win or lose. I'll bet that ESPN is VERY grateful for the BYU/BSU game last night. And, that audience will be there every time! There are moer for us than against us. Or at least enough to offset the naive and uninformed.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:41 p.m.

    I said it before and I say it again. FIRE DOMAN! He is our own worst enemy and we will not get an ounce better until his untalented butt is out of the Cougar coaching staff.

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    Vai was absolutely right about this game on some of his calls, the 2 point conversion was a horrible call and there's no way to justify it. With that much time left you have a chance for a 3 and out and a chance to get into field goal range, and when your tied the pressure is not near as much as if your behind. Second, Boise's kicking game was bad, so even if it went to overtime, the guy already missed one from inside the 20, he does that again and we win on a field goal. If your on the other side would you want the game to come down to your kicker? They would go for it on 4th down when they had a 30+ yard field goal, so they don't want to rely on a kicker who missed with less pressure earlier in the game. 2nd thing going for it on 4th in the red zone earlier was stupid, in a low scoring game take 3 pts, but instead Riley throws a pick and we get nothing. Wouldn't of had to go for 2 if we kicked it there. Not smart!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    "Wow--not even Vai is willing to give BSU credit for having won this game. With all of your talk about leadership and sportsmanship--wouldn't this have been a good time to give kudos to the Broncos for having a little bit to do with the outcome?"

    xert - How can you say with a straight face that BSU deserves "kudos" in this game?

    The kudos, if any, should go to the BYU defense for their performance when their backs were against the wall big time. Both offenses stunk up the joint big time.

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    Not sure what you all are upset about...BYU/Nelson did throw the game winning touchdown.....unfortunately it was to Boise

    Also, I seem to recall many fans last year complaining that BYU's coaches were only playing "not to lose" instead of "playing to win"

    I think that 2-point shot was a GREAT call TO WIN, rather than just playing not to lose. Sometimes you lose the gamble. If the play had worked you all, including the supposed "expert", Vai, would have been calling Doman a genius

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    ChrisB must be too young to realize those "non athletes" that made up those Edwards teams were ending up in the pros...27 from the Rosters of the 82-86 teams whose players won the NC in 1984.

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    I'm pretty shocked at Vai's bold commentary! I think he's overstepping his bounds by taking his frustrations public.

    I love Vai's "human interest" columns in the DNews... normally. But for him to go off in a sports-related rant seems so out-of-place and uncharacteristic for him.

    Personally, I've thought for many years that the Y should just DROP their football program completely. Get out of that racket; it's such a misfit for BYU! Give it up and focus on what BYU is really there for!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    Who LOVES watching BYU football anymore? I'm not talking about students I'm talking about long time fans. Anyone? This brand of - whatever it is - totally stinks!! You know you bring in Robert Anae and for several years you have John Beck and Max Hall lighting up the scoreboard and BYU getting 400 - 500 yards offense. Now BYU gets 60 yards passing and barely over 100 yards offense against Boise. So what has changed with the offense? The coordinator and the QB!!! Ever sense Doman took over BYU has lost its identity as I predicted it would two years ago. Doman's run and boot might work at Air Force but not at BYU and it is past time that either Bronco or Tom get a new coordinator. Better still I would love to see Bronco leave after his contract is up this year. BYU needs a fresh start. This isn't BYU football what we are seeing here ... this is some sort of experiment gone bad.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:07 p.m.


    Who are you to question the credibility of such an accomplished player, broadcaster and Church leader? It's too bad you can't give anyone credit if they show the least little bit of friendliness toward the Utes. That is the type of attitude that perpetuates the bad behavior between Utes and Cougars. BYU would be better off without fans like you.

    As for the two point conversion attempt, an obvious mistake. Yes, BYU had the momentum, but their defense was their strong suit all night. Tie the game up, let your defense stop Boise like they had done all night, and then beat them in overtime. I was shocked at the decision.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    Nobody has mentioned Hill missing #82, Kaneakua Friel, open across the middle of the end-zone, waving his arms, on the 2 point try.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    Maybe it's like the Sports Illustrated cover curse. You get your own network and start losing. Think Notre Dame - NBC.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    @Ben H

    And more people will continue to watch - hence more money - IF the team is winning. It's a circular argument that Vai wins. I for one am not excitesd to watch any more BYU football this season as long as Riley is the quarterback, which is the formula for losing.

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    Does anyone know Robert Anae's tel# or a way to get a hold of Jake Heaps?

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    I will admit I was shocked to see the Cougars going for two. Then I thought about how well they had just moved the ball down the field and figured it might work. But I agree with Vai that the play they attempted on the conversion was completely out of sync with what had been working so well on the last few plays of their scoring drive. It was a real head scratcher.

    In retrospect, the decision to go for two was the kind of decision I would expect a coach like Gary Crowton to make. Mendenhall has always been much more pragmatic and conventional. I can only assume that he has been stung by the criticism coming from fans and media-types the last few days that he's not as emotionally involved in the game as he should be.

    So, for what it's worth, Bronco, here's my advice: Forget the critics. Be yourself. If that's too boring, who cares? You've had a lot of success the last eight years with that model. Don't try to change it now.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    BYU's defense is good, perhaps leaning to very good. I'll have to wait on great. This is actually the second game Boise State's offense couldn't get the ball in the end zone. When the Broncos played quality teams (and yes I'll put BYU in this category), their defense scored while their offense couldn't penetrate past the goal line. But on the other hand Boise State's defense, like BYU's, looks ready for the prime time. The reality is probably this: BYU's offense isn't as bad as it looked and its defense isn't as good/great as everyone thinks it is. The defense is better than the offense (for both clubs) most certainly and this led to an ugly football game last night.

    And while Bronco made some boneheaded decisions, Peterson was equally as bad (refusing twice to kick a FG deep in BYU territory, one of which would have put his team up two scores). He avoids scrutiny because team fortunately won. And I'm a Peterson and Bronco (Mendenhall) fan but these two certainly wouldn't have been mistaken for Bill Walsh last night.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    @ Reader

    Still taken back when the coaching staff did not call for an on-side kick after the failed two-point conversion. With 3:37 to play and no timeouts this was a no-brainer. At the end BSU ended up at mid-field in any case due to the excellent kick-off return. Same as they would have been with a failed on-side attempt.

    And who wouldn't have loved to see a Statue of Liberty fake on the two-point attempt? Payback for Boise's trickery against Oklahoma in 2008 Fiesta Bowl.

    Really thought that we had done away with such a predictable play-calling once Robert Anae was let go. Doman seems to have fallen into the same rut and it's killing us. Two amazing WRs in Apo and Hoffman and we almost never try and stretch the field.

    Poor Riley Nelson giving up two game winning plays in two weeks. First Lee's fumble-six last week followed by the pick six this week.

    The Defense was absolutely lights-out AMAZING!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    "While I agree with vai's points his credibility to make these complaints is non existent."

    I was saying just the other day that Ducky is much more credible than Vai Sikahema when it comes to coaching and byU football.


  • teleste Austin, TX
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    "But winning championships, with class, all the while producing world-class graduates who will bless the world and the LDS Church are not mutually exclusive."

    Yes, they are. BYU wants it to go both ways but it can't, won't, never will.

    If BYU wants to win championships it has to get rid of Bronco and find a coach who gets ready for the big games and plays to win. It will also have to drop the honor code so future Jim McMahons can play in Provo.

    If BYU wants its football program to be a squeaky clean fire-side experience, it needs to forget about winning...

    BTW Vai and Cougar Fans - Sports can be good *PR* for the Y and even the church...but sports are not, never have been, and never will be "missionary work."

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    They need a new OC.
    It's fairly simple folks.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    I wonder if Chrissy was wearing his checkered shirt and white suspenders when he wrote...

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    ESPN signed up for BYU to help them get advertiser dollars. Period. As long as people are watching the game, BYU's contract will be renewed.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Wow, for once I disagree with Vai. I liked the gutsy 2-pt. conversion call and I think that BYU cannot recruit the same quality of athlete these days as is found in top 10 programs. Those top athletes don't want to play football for a Mormon school with an honor code. That is the Truth Vai. Unfortunately that is the sad truth. 1984 was an anomaly. I bleed blue but you have to admit it.

  • JP Boston Boston, MA
    Sept. 21, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    Thank you VAI,

    We love you here in Boston!!!! Glad to see someone is still telling the truth about BYU Football.

    My heart goes out to Riley Nelson.... no one starts a game wanting to do poorly. But he has got to fight back. He is a GREAT QB... and has made some great throws. Be confident and tear some opponents up man.

    BYU doesn't have the talent to compete... NO.

    Remember BYU beat OU in Dallas, Texas? Anyone forget? Vai is a 2 time pro-bowler... listen up folks!

    Time for BYU to back up the hype with performance. They have the talent.. not time for the heart.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:58 p.m.


    As usual Vai's article was insightful and painfully honest.

    Frankly neither Boise State nor BYU looked ready for Prime Time last night. Who would of thought two of the most prolific offenses in NCAA history would have this much trouble moving the ball? BYU's two-point conversion attempt at the end was a shocker. I was also stumped by Boise State's attempt to convert a 4th down and 7 from BYU's 20 rather than kick a field goal. You mean to tell me that BSU literally has nobody that can kick a field goal? Are these two Defenses really that impenetrable or are these two offenses really that bad?

    Either way, I wish there had been an alternate game that wasn't this painful to watch.

    Great article Vai. You captured the moment perfectly.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    This was the Boise St. show, not BYU. Your hypothesis is history. Not relevant to any of BYU's programs during the last decade.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    Well said. Now if only Bronco would actually take it to heart! It seems that Bronco and Doman are trying to change the tradition at BYU. They are doing this regardless of what the fans want. If they continue along this path, there won't be any fans left!

  • silveraspen South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    Vai is right on, again. Thank you for being honest, Vai. Some people here feel BYU and Bronco can do no wrong, and are taking the truth to be hard, as it were.

    I'm wondering if Bronco is missing Jake Heaps now.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    It's ultimately the coaches who have to take the heat but BYU needs a quarterback in the worst possible way. Riley Nelson is a good kid, a scrapper, maybe even a leader of sorts. But he definitely is NOT a major college QB. Unless/until Mendenhall et. al. figure that out, ESPN dumping BYU will be only one problem with which Bronco will have to wrestle.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    While I agree with vai's points here his credibility to make these complaints is non existent. We all know from his articles that he is much more of a utah "fan" now and that he dislikes Bronco a great deal. He is still bitter because Bronco did not give Mark Atuaia the rb coach position, and he insinuated Bronco didn't give it to him because he is polynesian.

    vai I have no problem with being upset at how the coaching is going but you've left far to many articles on here that show it is a personal vendetta for you and because of that I dismiss your rant completely. Go hang out with whittingham.

    Oh and by the way, I am extremely irritated with the poor coaching going on right now.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    RE: kitsutsuki "Disappointed to see Vai resort to the "blame" card." You Cougs fans within happy valley should really get outside of Utah and then get a fresher perspective of the team. What you describe as the "blame card", I view clearly as a much needed, critical analysis. You want the nat'l TV audiance watching what the Cougs have regressed to over the past two weeks? Bronco canned a DC at a similar time 2 years ago when the defense was clearly sputtering. Seems like similar action is needed on the offensive side.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    Whether we go for two or not will be debated for a long time BUT we need to get this offense going and do we have the right people in place to do it?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    Bro. Vai- I'm giving you a big, resounding Amen! Thank you for a much, much needed critical analysis of our Cougs and the coaching. I haven’t found such balanced analysis from this paper other than from you! I honestly couldn't agree with you any more: "Tom Holmoe better get BYU into a conference quickly." That's assuming that the BYU sports admin. can shrink a little pride. They’re far from the Shangri-La of football programs. "I wouldn't blame ESPN if it feels like it was sold a bill of good" Bingo! Thank you for being critical of Bronco's 2-point fiasco. Your analysis is spot on. "These were precisely the kind of situations LaVell Edwards mastered." Ouch, but true! Bronco's the head-coach over the entire team, not just the defense. The offense has struggled mightily! "BYU's program should be a lot further along than it is." Again, game, set and match. I love my Cougs, I honestly do. But this team is far from progressing. Join a conference and stop this nonsense of a “national championship.” It aint happening.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Well, I'm convinced. Chris B is an tween girl. He might . . MIGHT . . be a boy, but no adult would employ such gratuitous use of "LOL."

    Really; every post is "Something something something, everything BYU has done, is doing and ever will do is pathetic yet I spend 2/3 of my time thinking about it blah blah blah."


    Do you think she really laughs out loud when he's typing LOL?

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    Does BYU beat Hawaii next week?

    You know Chow is motivated...
    You know Hawaiians can play some tough football...
    You know BYU is in transition...

    I think the only person who has the wisdom to answer this one is Chris B...

    Oh wise one...what sayest thou?

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    Totally agree with Vai!

    The coaching decision was botched.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    Chris B LAst team who ended in top 25 and lost to BYU was Utah in 2009.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Give it a rest, show some class.

    Go Utes!!

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Wow--not even Vai is willing to give BSU credit for having won this game. With all of your talk about leadership and sportsmanship--wouldn't this have been a good time to give kudos to the Broncos for having a little bit to do with the outcome?

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    It's too late Vai,

    Boise ID (AP) - BYU Football, with offensive passing schemes that once revolutionized college football, and nearly mythologized themselves into the country's favorite college passing team, finally died Thursday evening from multiple complications, primarily due to poor coaching disease. The football program was 90 years old.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    This continues and the rest of the byU alumni will come out and say the same things.

    On the radio the other day, Jason Buck was hinting to the fact that most alumni are not happy with what the program has become. He said that Lavell "compartmentalized" the football and religious aspects at byU but that Bronco just can't do it.

    There have been some great firesides in Provo lately but just not very many great wins.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Disappointed to see Vai resort to the "blame" card. The play was clearly an option for Hill to run the ball if the pass wasn't there. However, the center blew the block causing Hill to lose the run option. Seemed pretty clear to me.

    If BYU had been successful on that play we would be praising Hill, Bronco and Doman for the guts to go for it. Vai, you've played ball long enough to know that things don't always work out the way you expect.

    It is so easy to criticize after the fact. I really expected more from Vai. You you should know better.

    As always, go BYU!

  • MESOUTE Albany, NY
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Vai hits it out of the park; again

    Kick the PAT. Let your defense, which had been stellar all night long, stop Boise St. Play OT on a short field. BYU had the FG kicker advantage.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    I usually find myself agreeing with Vai.


    I can't remember any sports team ever signing a contract where they guaranteed a certain level of performance. ESPN are big boys. ESPN and BYU signed a contract because it was good for both parties.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    The two point conversion was completely the wrong call. BYU had finally moved the ball on offense and the defense played lights out all night, take your chances and go for OT. Boise obviously didn't want the game to come down to field goals. As a coach you have to know what your teams strengths are, for BYU right now that strength is defense so let them try to win the game. If they were going to go for 2 they should have at least run the play away from #99 he played a fantastic game and blew up the play forcing Hill to pass. I think he really wanted to run but was forced to far back off the line.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    @Runner, I thought the same thing about onside kicks, both in this game and the Utah game, but when they didn't even mention it as an option during the post game show, I knew something was up. The NCAA changed the rules this year and basically made the onsides kick impossible to execute successfully.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Chris B - your comments are getting old, although I don't know what you said. Without fail I see your name and pass by the post without reading it.

    As far as Vai is concerned, I am disappointed in your 2-point analysis. The call was clearly for Hill to roll out, with the option to run or throw. Unfortunately, his offensive line did a horrible job protecting him and the play was doomed from the start.

    I have watched BYU sports for many years and remember all too well the "vanilla" label applied to Edwards. The fans used to get upset becasue Edwards was too predictable. He never took a chance or took a risk. It was refreshing, even thought it failed, to see BYU go for 2. I support Bronco 100% in that decision.

    BYU had the momentum, the first time all night, and I liked our chances at a 2-point conversion versus sending the game into overtime. However, not even OT was guaranteed. There was still well over 3 minutes remaining when BYU scored - ample time for Boise to score again.

    Bronco made the right call in my humble opinion.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Chrissy B - obsessed much ? Get a life and worry about how you lowlife team will do on Sat.

    Vai - BYU's ESPN contract is for 8 yrs. Don't need to worry about a new contract in year 2.

  • GiuseppeG Murray, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    "Why not roll him out on a run-pass option and let him choose Boise State's fate?"

    Uh, Vai, given your knowledge and experience of the game, you may know better, but to THIS particular fan it looked like that play WAS going to be a run-pass option until #99 of Boise State ran BYU's right guard 8 yards into the backfield like nothing.

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    Wow - strong comments. Bronco must be feeling the heat today. Vai's correct though - huge mistake not to kick the extra point, failing program, etc. I repsect the fact that Vai would be so blunt.

  • Philo79 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    The thought that BYU can win another title because they won in 1984 is like saying Spain could again become the most powerful country because you read about the Siglo de Oro. As long as BYU enforces the honor code, they will never win a title.

  • CaptainCougar Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    @Chris B, time to go for a walk or rewatch a Utah BCS game or something.... Your comments are not nearly as witty as you seem to think with all your "LOL"s and what not...

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Wow Vai, that was a little harsh. I get the frustration, beleive me, since we have to read Chrissy B's ridiculous comments and his constant hate, but I'm not sure I am with you on the comparison to Lavell. This is a different era and a different college football environment. I don't think the comparison works.

    Having said that, the biggest issue for me was, why no on-sides kick attempt after the botched 2-pt attempt? Did the coaching staff just hang their heads and shut down?

    Also, just how long do we put up with Doman "learning" how to be an Offensive Coordinator and "installing" his lousy offense? C'mon man, it's like Unlce Rico re-living his HS glory days.

  • SoUtahFriend Saint George, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    Brave comments especially when you know coaches so well. This offence doesn't look like BYU of Old, it plays out like Skyline HS. Riley Nelson was clearly rattled and reckless in his play. Trying to run over LBs is insane when your trying to move the ball and you're the general. Those defenders will take you out in one hit. QBs job is to move the chains. It requires patience in the pocket to throw.

    The fact of the program is not just coaching, but it's recruiting. You have have the players. This issue about Lark not even getting a chance is arguable. However, what are you going to tell recruits?? At the other schools here in Utah; the best kid plays. I hear of a lot of politicizing within BYU. Should every kid have a chance on the field?? The reputation with some players is the coaches are not as honest with their kids as other programs. Would you want your kid going there?? Depends on which coach.

  • CaptainCougar Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    You're a good guy Vai, but I'm constantly surprised to see how hard you try to stir the mud without success. On the 2 pt conversion play, it WAS a run pass option. Most likely they were planning on Hill running it, they just were planning on Stringham forgetting he was supposed to block on the play and allowing Boise's d-end for force Hill wide and attempt a longer pass. They tried what you thought they should try....

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Home schedule is greatly improved. The Y now has a chance to upset Utah State and Oregon and the last game of the season should be a classic with arch rival and independent foe, Idaho!

    Can BYU say "buy-out"? ESPN surely can.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    byu fans will look back at how close you were to a BCS game after this season.

    Other than the loss to Utah
    and boise
    and notre dame
    and georgia tech
    and utah state
    and Oregon state

    Other than those - you had a BCS game in your reach!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    "It can be done because it has been done"

    I disagree complete.

    25 years ago Lavell was ahead of the times and his offensive schemes could make up for BYU's lack of true athletes.

    Unless a byu coach can find a way to revolutionize the game, yes winning a championship and having firesides ARE mutually exclusive.


    You think BYU will EVER have the talent to complete with the likes of Alabama(as Utah did), Florida, LSU, Oregon, USC?



  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Wow. Even Vai is second-guessing Pony Boy.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Does anyone know the last time byu beat a team that ended up in the top 25?


    Want to know how I knew byu would lose last night?

    Boise is a good team.