Mitt Romney refocuses as President Barack Obama decries 'victim' claim

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 19, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    Worf - that may be very much true for where you live or where you shop, and explain many of your comments, but 50 percent of households in the US are not receiving food aid. That number is way too high... there are approximately 164 million households in the US of which 40 million receive aid - that is about 25%, which I think even at that number is far too many.

    And a large percentage of that is driven by single parents families, and the elderly poor - too high in either case. I think we can agree on the problem there.

    Voice of reason... I would say you are far underestimating your numbers. Look at the average Utah family. If it were not for government subsidies, the average cost to educate a child annually is 10,000 dollars each. WIth the average Utah family having 4.someting kids, that is over 40,000 of benefit they are receiving annually... and I doubt the number of Utah families paying 40k in taxes is all that high.

    Last I checked we were all getting about a trillion dollars plus more benefits we aren't paying for.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:51 p.m.


    Over the past two years, I've asked many cashiers at grocery stores, about people using food stamps to purchase groceries. They all say at least ninety percent.

    Look at your schools, and you'll find that most children qualify for free lunches.

    Forty seven percent is a low figure. Look around you, and you can easily see it.


    With thousands of pictures taken, the press will use the worse ones to bear false witness on Romney. Don't be fooled by this.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:41 p.m.


    class warfare? victimhood? I have to wonder if you or other republicans have a mirror anywhere in their house.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 4:49 p.m.


    My original post was about Obama (and the left's) reliance on class, race and gender warfare for power;
    using the meme of victimhood to rationalize perpetrating.

    You did not refute that claim, but instead merely obfuscated with tangent discussions of how society is victimized by Limbaugh and big banks, etc., while claiming you are not a victim.

    So I can only assume that you really are OK with class, race and gender warfare. And I feel perfectly fine about calling the left out on that.

    BTW, for the record: Schultz called Ingram a slut and the other MSNBC talkers accused Palin of facilitating murder. AND bailing out banks and other big industries is not a popular concept with most conservatives who actually oppose corporate welfare, so its not even germane to the topic.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Big Oil doesn't expect a federal subsidy? Did that go away yesterday? Big banks didn't get a bailout either that was all misreported? I would agree with you that many of the MSNBC crew is way over the top, but I don't believe any of them have called another human being a slut or a prostitute.

    Oh and I did read your whole post but I thought victimhood was victimhood I didn't realize that republicans are in the recovery phase of victimhood.

    Oh and I am not a victim, don't feel like a victim, am not a recovering victim. But I hope calling me one makes you feel better.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    The real statistic we need to worry about is this one:

    How many Americans do you think receive more in federal benefits than they pay in taxes...ALL federal taxes including income, payroll, etc.?


    Read that again. 3 out of 5 Americans receive more benefits than they actually pay for. Does anyone - anyone - here want to defend the idea that 60% of Americans need to be net-dependent on their neighbors? This is one definition of tyranny of the majority, i.e. when a majority consistently votes itself at will into the wallets of their neighbors, who by definition can never vote their wallets closed. There is no rational argument that can defend 60% of a nation needing to live off the labors of the other 40%.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 11:05 a.m.


    As you would note if you actually read my post: There ARE conservatives who take on the mantle of victimhood. The difference is; Most conservatives are in transitory phase, it is not the center of their political identity. Or, as in the case of YOUR examples, they are MOCKING feigned liberal victims (who take their martyrdom sooo seriously and are sooo dour when it is questioned). None of your examples expect a government program or subsidy to solve their comic "victimhood" (Like all those stimulus funds that went to ads on MSNBC - NOT Limbaugh or Beck.) You forgot the number #1 hate spewer Chris Matthews and his side kicks Rachael Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.

    But nice job at playing victim there FRED

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    You forgot the number #1 hate spewer Rush Limbaugh and his side kicks Sean Hannity and Glen Beck. Isn't complaining about the "main stream media" also victimhood? Or is it different when the right spews hate and claim victimhood?

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    The funny thing is that a majority of that 47% are likely dyed in the wool, registered red-state Republicans. I guess Mitt is expecting very few, if any, of those Republican 47%-ers to vote for him. Let's hope he's correct.

    If you are a relatively common Utah household, you might have a working father making less than $50k and a stay at home mom. Maybe 6 or 7 kids with a 30 yr mortgage on your house. With itemized deductions and all those child dependent deductions, that household likely pays no Federal Income Tax. And according to Mitt Romney, he'd classify that household as a group of lazy freeloaders who would never give Mitt their vote.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    It's readily apparent that the stress of this campaign is wearing on Mitt. He looks like he's aged about 25 yrs since last spring. All those gaffes he commits are causing him grey hair and wrinkles. And holes in his feet.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    "That's the America I grew up in."

    Unless you grew up before the great depression.... I highly doubt that.

    This notion that it is only democrats having babies out of wedlock, taking food stamps, or needing assistance is just an out an out fabrication and distortion. Just last night I saw a rebroadcast of an early 60's interview with Mitts own mom, talking about how Mitt's father who needed government assistance to make ends meet in their early married years. Was Mitts dad part of the 47%

    Lets look at the 46.4% victims by the numbers. Over half paid payroll taxes - but owed no federal through leveraging tax deductions. For example a family of two with two kids with an income under 27,000 owned no federal income tax. About 1/4 of those 46.4% (10 percent of all tax payers) are social security recipients, and owned no income tax. Seven percent of those that filed earned less that $20,000 a year.... mostly part time workers and kids. Of the 164 million households filing- only 10 million paid no tax and received assistance. That is only 6% - not 47% line Romney claims.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    You have to be president of everyone? Then why did you tell the Republicans to sit in the back of the bus when you were first elected?

    And then go on to blame them for all of your failures, when you had control of the senate, congress and the white house?

    If people can't see through their god (obama) then we are doomed as a nation. We'll just keep printing, borrowing, spending until the day comes that people won't lend to us anymore; our dollar is worthless and not worth printing and can no longer spend.

    That's the path we're on. Both parties got us here. Neither one has reformed anything or gotten rid of any program. Mitt is right. 47% of the people will continue to vote themselves benefits no matter what. The other % will vote themselves benefits. We need a change of thinking in this country. The real change will come when our nation lives on less than what we are taxed for.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    Romney (too many people dependent on government handouts) and Ryan (the right to pray in schools) made valid comments that spoke to real issues that ring true with many Americans (at least those who hold traditional values), and the out-of-touch mainstream media calls them gaffes. Obama's record is one misstep after another that the mainstream media won't call him on.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Of course Obama decries criticism of victimhood, because that is the essence of politically correct liberal thought and philosophy: I am a victim, therefore I have a right to perpetrate. Race baiting is OK because I am a victim. Gender warfare is OK because I am a victim, etc. Al Sharpton, Sandra Fluke, Dan Savage all get to spew hate incessantly - because they first claim to be victims (which they may be - but they long since devolved into classic perpetrators).

    Which does not mean conservatives are never victims, some have long standing resentments; however most conservatives view victimhood as a transitory phase to be worked through, not a prime opportunity to be seized for maximum passive/aggressive power

    Obama relies on class warfare, race warfare and gender warfare because he has so few legitimate accomplishments; therefore with out victimhood - his presidency means nothing.

    After all; it is all George Bush's fault

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:39 a.m.


    "Why do republicans think the measure of a person is just the number in the bank account?"

    Why do democrats feel they must take from someone and give it away? I have a teenage neighbor who just had a baby, and the benefits she now qualifies for are astounding. I should pay for her behavior? Redistribute my hard earned money? Roll out the food stamps?

    People are collecting money from a government which is sixteen trillion in debt. That's 550 thousand dollars for every second in a year. What's this country going to be like when the handouts can't be made?

    As for me, I'm totally out of debt, and did it on my own. I donate to people when I can, but shouldn't be forced by careless politicians to do so. That's the America I grew up in.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    OneAmerican said:
    "And since more than 50% oppose Obamacare, why did he exclude ALL republican idea"
    The MANDATE was the republican's idea until Obama added it then it was "The unconstitutional part" of Obamacare?
    t702 said: "This is great coming from someone that said republicans are for dirty air and dirty water…"

    Mit says he'll abolish the EPA!
    In favor of self regulation, (like energy solutions sneaking hotter waste then allowed,) or oil and gas writing their own environmental laws.
    I think most remember what it was like when rivers caught fire and lead in gas was a good thing?

    ECR you nailed it, mits crowd is constantly whining and blaming when they aren't mocking or belittling allies and enemies alike.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Three paragraphs in, and I knew it without looking: this was an AP article. They didn't use Romney's actual words, a courtesy they give Obama in the article...they only "interpreted" Romney's meaning. But his actual words make it indisputably clear he was talking about not being able to get the 47% to VOTE for him...he WASN'T saying he doesn't "care" about them as so many on the left have dishonestly claimed. Guess what - Obama is doing the same thing - he also knows a big percentage of America is already decided against him, myself included. He's not really trying for my vote either.

    Oh, and it's not 47% that pay no income's 49%. Romney was low. But he probably was talking about those Americans who get means-tested redistribution checks from their fellow Americans: Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc. That IS 47% of the country. That number is way, way too high. Nobody with a brain honestly believes 47% of Americans are poor enough to need welfare. That culture of dependency is literally bankrupting our country, and is completely unsustainable. Romney won my vote with his 47% quote.

  • LeftBehind SAN FRANCISCO, CA
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    "Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are moving the presidential campaign back to familiar ground, grappling over the proper role of government in a debate where clumsy, seemingly dismissive statements have made both men susceptible to caricature."

    There was a joke several years ago that said if George Bush said the world was flat, the Fox News headline would be: "EARTH'S SHAPE: OPINIONS DIFFER."

    Your lead paragraph for this story may be the Deseret News equivalent. Romney's gaffe, saying 47% of the American people are 'victims', and 'my job is not to worry about those people', potentially putting his campaign on life support, is hidden behind more spin than an Iranian centrifuge.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Romney is sinking and from the looks of things, the Deseret News seems more than happy to go down with the ship.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    "why did he exclude ALL republican idea and shove the whole thing down our throats in a behind-closed-doors deal? Because he's phony, says one thing, does another."

    How did he shove it down peoples throats. Last I can tell it was the Congress that passed the law, a body elected by the people of the states they represent. And if memory serves, I did see open meetings actually televised about the health care program. Lastly, ObamaCare is largely based on RomneyCare - who last I checked, is a Republican.

    Lets not get confused here. The law was passed on partisan lines, and yes, because the Republicans decided to play an all or nothing strategy, they got little. But the way the process works is now the adults are suppose to come together, fix the broken parts, replace the wrong parts, and enhance the parts of the law that work - pre-existing conditions for example.

    But to pretend that Obama did something that those on the other side of the isle aren't doing is a bit presumptive. You have to have drunken a particularly strong blend of kool-aiide to really believe that.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    I listened to the entire taped event where Mitt made his "Let them eat cake" statements. The only alarming thing about it was that it must be a "secretly" taped event to finally hear what he really thinks. I was more alarmed by what he had to say about what he would have done about some past world events. I now fear that he will take us into a third world war, back into the cold war era, and into even higher deficits. It is no wonder that Wall Street may be turning against him. He seems to be in total lockstep with the Tea Party.

  • kay American Fork, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    he is wearing out his etch-a-sketch

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Romney will work for all by cutting taxes for the rich. Can't you people understand that? It is about time that a real man told the huddled masses there will be no more government handouts.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Romney is a Mr. Hyde and Dr. Jekyll, he can not be trusted, and no one can believe what he says, or know what he is intending behind the scene, or with whom he is scheming.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    "If you want to be president, you have to work for everyone, not just for some," Obama said in an appearance on CBS' "Late Show with David Letterman" Tuesday.

    This is great coming from someone that said republicans are for dirty air and dirty water which is a classic way of working for everyone, right?

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    If Obama's working for everyone, I guess he's trying to get everyone to the poverty level. And since more than 50% oppose Obamacare, why did he exclude ALL republican idea and shove the whole thing down our throats in a behind-closed-doors deal? Because he's phony, says one thing, does another.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    When I served in the military I made only $15,000 a year and was below the level of paying federal income tax. The government also gave me food and shelter. I was such a freeloader...

    Why do republicans think the measure of a person is just the number in the bank account? I don't have to make thibgs up to say that republicans are "respectors of persons" in a biblical way.

    Republicans just say it loud and proud, "greed is good".

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    "If you want to be president, you have to work for everyone, not just for some."

    That soft spoken, non-confrontational statement by the President somehow generated the DN headline writer to claim he "decried" Romney's statement and the author to say the President "ridiculed" Romney. If anyone is feeling like a victim it seems to be Mitt Romney and all his supporters who are constantly whining about how badly they are treated while at the same time they are calling the president a socialist. Give it up folks.

    There are many who pay no income tax but pay payroll tax that supports those evil government programs Mr. Romney referred to. Their taxes where lowered (or elimintaed) by the votes of Republicans who needed something to make the massive tax cuts they gave to the wealthy more palatable to the public. Most of those people are not relying on the government for their livlihood but they are poor or low income and struggle every day to put food on the table. The Obama campiagn has not needed to use their own tactics to make Mr. Romney look out of touch. Mitt Romney is doing that all by himself.