Romney: 'Victims' comment not elegantly stated

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 21, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    Mitt Romney mistakes earning a lot of money with those who contribute a lot to society.

    Poorly paid soldiers and teachers are high contributors, although they are not high income earners.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 20, 2012 10:49 a.m.


    Fixing this problem will require sacrifice by everyone, including the rich.

    Well stated: and the right place to start is with Romney releasing his tax returns and re-patriot all the hundreds of millions of American dollars and paying and American income tax.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2012 6:06 a.m.


    You are right America has become a place of freeloaders and those who don't take responsibility for themselves. Big oil continues to be subsidized by the American taxpayers, General Electric payed no federal income tax last year. We can no longer afford to have these types of freeloaders. Big banks took huge sums of taxpayer bailout money rather than be responsible for their actions in running their banks into the ground. They continued to pay exorbitant bonuses to top executives when they were losing money using taxpayer money. That is certainly being responsible.

    It is funny that so many criticize lower income Americans for not paying federal income taxes, but no one seems to want to criticize the 2,000 + millionaires who paid no federal income, or the corporations who paid no income tax. They were just doing what was allowed under the current tax code (a lot like lower income Americans).

    I agree that we have an entitlement mentality problem, but lets be honest for once, not all poor people have it, and there are many rich people that have that same sense of entitlement. Fixing this problem will require sacrifice by everyone, including the rich.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

    Sad but true. Not Romney, not Reagan, not JFK, not even Lincoln!!! The very sad truth about America today is that we are fast becoming a nation of free loaders and victims and as the saying goes... freedom is NOT free!! The WWII generation were vastly different than those of today. Those people were all hard working, sacrificing folks who loved their country. Not so today. There are still patriotic people out there who still do ask "what they can do for their country and not what their government will do for them" but they are less and less. It makes it all the harder when you have a president who TELLS us we should all be asking what the government can do for us. American needs a REAL leader so badly!!!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    county mom said:
    "Have your icky fit! Why are we expected to pay for those who do not work and have never worked?"

    Because we live in a society, no matter how much the right tries to convince you that everybody, is on their own and survival of the richest is a divine plan.

    Someone already said it but it bear repeating for those not keeping up...

    Less then 9% of the population receive partial assistance from the government and less then 4% rely on it as their sole source of income. 91% of Americans rely solely on their own income and those that make to little are allowed to not pay personal income taxes but must pay all other taxes.

    The states with the highest rates of people not paying income taxes are in the south (and Idaho round out the top 10). Obama won only one of those states in 2008, Florida. Part of why Florida is so high in the rankings is because they have a lot of elderly who make up a large chunk of the 47%.

    Mit the mocker is clueless NOT truthful!

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    I want to see Obama under the same scrutiny as Romney. With several articles a day.

    It's easy to defend, when no one is attacking you.

  • Jac0m Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    I don't know why anyone is trying to defend Romney on here. Clearly those that are accusing Romney of the foul play and injustice are part of the 47% that are not going to be persuaded no matter what he does, you do, or Obama doesn't do.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    Have your icky fit! Why are we expected to pay for those who do not work and have never worked?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    With as many gaffes that Vice President Biden has made in the past 4 years, this isn't even close to any of his real gaffes. The President talking with Putin on hot mic is a security issue as the President was showing his cards off the table.

    President Obama has a book full of things that would make ones head spin and the press doesn't hold his feet to the fire. They accept anything from President Obama without a problem. However, they can't find anything of substance about Mitt Romney but they emphasize how bad he is from religion, personal beliefs, and now to a statement made 4 months ago.

    The proof is in the pudding. Governor Romney has done so much service for people, neighbors, the country and the state of Massachusetts. A move by the Massachusetts legislature with healthcare became something President Obama has used for 3 years as a reason to pass Obamacare.

    Mitt didn't go out to have this President do that. This President wanted to show that a Democratic Massachusetts legislature passed this bill. Governor Romney signed it as the Democratic controlled legislaature would have overridden the veto. Win and lose.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    Country mom. 47% are not on welfare. Understand. 47% don'pay taxes because they don't owe taxes. That is due to our tax code. They itemize deductions, claim depemdents, etc. If one more person gets on here and implies that half are our country are freeloaders, dependent on gocvernment, and unwilling to support themselves I am going to have an icky fit. It is called a lie. Social Security and medicare are not welfare. there is a small percentage of the population that may be accurately described as dependent and unmotivated to provide themselves. To imply that nearly half our country fits into this category is asinine. Mitt Romney is turning into a huge dissapointment for me. It is the Republicans not Democrats that are promoting class warfare. Think off all the people you know. Do you really believe half are on welfare. Really.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    The fact that 47% of this nation is on some sort of welfare is not the fault of those of us who are working. Why must we pay for them to not work? We are going broke now! Just add to our burden and make sure we are all poor! So only the President and the politicians have money! Anyone for communism, and across the board poverty?

  • DavidNL Holladay, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:26 p.m.

    Have Republicans considered the following? Romney wins and starts to spin dials, pull levers, slash budgets, cut programs, "free up capital," raise taxes on the poor and old, lower taxes on the wealthy, increases military spending -- and "runs" the country like a big corporation. And... unemployment STAYS FLAT! I'll repeat...stays flat or goes up! This is what many serious economists have modeled. In other words we may be at a new threshold of unemployment, as businesses have learned to do more with less. How about the rest of the picture: by party platform definition there will be less regulation, less concern with the "general welfare", the environment, decreased revenue, increased debt, and more hawkish foreign policy, not to mention the temptation to co-mingle church and state even more. Obama's "steady as she goes" policy is FAR more achievable and sustainable than Romney's "get rich quick" scheme. An Obama America is not perfect. A Romney America is bleak. But the possibility of a Romney America seems to have evaporated with a single number: 47%! I for one am relieved.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    As a conservative and Romney supporter, I have to admit: It was a stupid comment. It is absurd to think that only taxpayers will support Romney and low income people will only support Obama. It was a broad generalization that can come across as hurtful to low income people.

    Having said that, the corrupt liberal media is only too happy to jump all over this mole hill to distract from all the disasterous policies, scandals, and corruption coming from the White House.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    Romney told the truth and the problem is the truth hurts. Those in that so called 47% who already are in Obama's camp will vote for him no matter what, just like all of the liberals on this board who are already in that 47%. Every network agrees with Romney on the 47% who have not paid any income tax and then there are those who put in 2,000 in taxes and gets almost 6,000 back. Where is the justice there? No our tax system is a shambles and Obama's only answer is to raise taxes on the richto make them poor so that they are now equal to those who are in poverty. That is totally and completely ridiculous. Fact is the fairest and most economical way is to go to a straight flat tax for every body. No deductions. No tax credits. No tax exempt. For this 47% it is a tax increase. For the other 53% it is a tax decrease. That is what needs to be done and yet there isn't a politician anywhere who is willing to step in and do it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    Yep! Lets get rid of the hands that feed us. Obama will lead you down the path to destruction, and like so many other civilizations will be led to poverty.

    Not very smart.

  • CabezaMan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    You need to actually listen to what Romney said. About half (47%) of these comments aren't even addressing what Romney said. If you pay your taxes, he's not talking about you! But it doesn't matter, because he was explaining to those at the fund raiser the stats of the election. And he's right. About 47% of the vote is in the Obama camp. He said nothing of elderly social security beneficiaries, and he said nothing about the 47% not being personally responsible. He's also right about this election. We have come to that parting of the sea. This is about choosing freedom and dignity, or bondage to government dependency.

  • UteRB77 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    So have we sold our birthright for a mess of pottage? We are offended when a statement is made, which if applied on a general broad scale is essentially the truth. We lash out with open fangs when someone tugs at our security blanket, and pops our dripping wrinkled thumb out of our mouth. Obama may get some yardage out of this because he has succeeded in pushing us over the precipice of dependency. He enslaves 50% of the electorate with hollow grandiose words, and we’re satisfied and comfortable with his free stuff, and he and his progressive ilk will reign with power and control. That is until the well runs dry as in Europe. Then we’ll scream and rage on with riotous furor because our blankets are gone, our thumbs are dry and rotted, and the government coffers are empty. Security? How about fire balls, cars exploding, riots, and chaos. We are fools being led to the slaughter.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 18, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Just so I understand it is the democrats that play the class warfare card right? Mitt Romney has said some stupid things, but this one tops them all. Wouldn't it be interesting if one year in the last 10 Mr. Romney has not paid any income taxes. Of course we will never find that out because he won't release his taxes.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    I love it when members of the Church spell out that they are active, their position and the fact that they are a veteran. That doesn't amount to a hill of beans and means nothing in this conversation. Fact is I too am an a Vietnam Veteran. I too am in one of those 47% but I do pay taxes and in most instances I end up paying more at the end of the year. I very seldom get any taxes back even if I deduct my charitable contributions to the Church so those of you who continue to spout things really offend me and others like me. Romney is the best choice whether you want to admit it or not. Romney is not a socialist as our current President IS. Romney is not out to destroy our constitution as the current President IS. Romney may be rich and part of the rich and famous but he has more knowledge of running a proper government that our current President DOES. If you are offended by Romney's comments then you are part of the problem not part of the solution.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    Redshirt, are you one of the 47% ?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Maybe he can come back to run for office in Utah after he gets trounced Nationally.

    Utahns will vote for him and throw their money at him no matter WHAT he says/does.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    To "rick122948" you have a pessimistic view of your neighbors. The fact is that many of those receiving government benefits don't really need them. Think about how often you see a person using WIC or another food program buying food with their benefits, then pay cash for cigaretts and beer, while talking on a smart phone. I may sound uncaring, but it seems like they have sufficient money without the government help, but choose to spend it on things other than the necessities.

    You are also wrong about the Depression. The government regulations on price controls, food production, wage controls, and employment, along with the other big government programs prolonged the depression for 7 years. WWII only hid the unemployment problem by sending the enemployed off to war.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    Everyone is so concerned or so gleeful with Romney's struggling campaign, with his mis-statements, his courage to sometimes be bold and tell it like it is--and the GOP big wigs all whinging that he isn't farther ahead in the polls....blah blah blah.

    So what if he doesn't win??

    Sure, he'll be disappointed.
    For about ten minutes.

    Then he will REJOICE that he is free of this insane asylum nightmare that would be his as
    President--and all its mine fields and unfixable problems.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    I am a moderate income male who has worked all his life, and paid income taxes all of his life. I have contributed to social security and medicare and I now am "dependent" on these programs surviving for my life and my wife's. I now know what Brother Romney believes about me for sure. I suspected as much. I hope Romney takes a vicious trouncing in the coming election, and will do everything I can to make it so. Of course he will get Utah. He can have Utah if the rest of us get the balance of the country. A fair exchange, don't you think?

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    @ Red Shirt

    Helping our neighbors? that is wonderful and christian thing to do. IT doesn't work when all your neighbors need help too. When the 1% starts sending out invites to their club won't life be grand. Last time I checked the depression was pushed back by government action building dams,schools and electic projects then ended by the economic stimulus of World War II. Unfortunately, Bush's war is having the opposite effect costing jobs at home rather than creating them.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    CHS if the deferrments were granted, how is it wrong? CLinton completely dodged the draft and fled the country to avoid it and libs have nothing to say about it.

    Utah Blue since when is it fair to punish those who have lived and earned the american dream? He didn't steal his money, he didn't win it in the lottery, he earned it through his own work. Physical labor is not the only honest work in the world.If Romney or anyone else has built up their finances honestly to a point where they don't need to earn more money and actually have their money working for them, why is that a punishable offense to libs?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    Not Elegant, but then the truth about Obama being a "Food Stamp President" is the truth!

    Only the welfare irresponsible clan will vote for Obama!

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    The ironic thing is that this comment was made at a $50,000 a plate dinner. A family of four making $50,000 a year would end up paying federal income tax. You people understand that right? This comment was made at a insanely expensive dinner, A dinner that costs around 2x the amount of money someone who doesn't pay federal taxes makes in an entire year! Mitt isn't the middle class and looks at the middle class as worthless. But i'm sure he will stand up for you as president..........Or not.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    To "williary" unfortunately you are living the liberal lie. When the Depression first hit, people took care of their neighbors. Food stamps or government food programs were not needed.

    You also forget that it was the actions of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd that mandated the lower lending standards that lead to our problems. How can you honestly say that Republicans ran the economy into the ground when the Democrats were controlling the Senate Banking Comittee, and Congress long before things melted down. Logic would say that the Democrats ran the economy into the ground, and now, to ensure it stays there, they have amplified any poorly conceived Republican plan.

    Tell us, how did Republicans run the economy into the ground? Was is with $400 billion deficits? Was it the war that Democrats continue to support and fund? How about the increased costs of government health insurance programs? Since you know it all, what did republicans do differently than the current set of Democrats that destroyed the economy?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    I guess we all should vote for "HOPE AND CHANGE" again. Uh huh. That was REAL specific, wasn't it. Anybody up for more of the same?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Kinda "inelegant" like "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT"? Oh my. To what lengths won't the liberals go to find another "distraction"? Let's focus on generating jobs and cutting expenses (a la entitlements, etc, etc.). And there is nothing to apologize for! I guess a politician who tells the truth, no matter "inelegantly", is suspect. Let's get real, folks. We have a crisis on our hands. Let's not fiddle while Rome (or the Middle East) is burning. Wake up and smell the coffee, er roses. Come on America, we can do much better than trifle like this with our future. Waddya say team?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    Add 16 million victim senior citizens to the list who pay no income tax.

    Hawkyo... what you are missing is 100% of Mitts income is capital gains. If this passes, he would owe NOTHING in taxes on his multi-million dollar a year income. No social security. No medicare. NADA. This is a policy directly aimed at people like himself and his kids that will be living on capital gains fed trust funds.

    Now of course if he is President, he will have a W2, and will have to pay taxes then... or at least I would hope so.

    But I am with you on the problem of families trying to pass down to their kids the fruits of their labors. I think that revenue should be off the table. The government should not benefit from a loved ones passing. That is simply wrong any way you dice it.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:58 p.m.


    You're right, his draft lottery number never came up. But, the truth of the matter is that he applied for and received four deferments.

    In 2007 he said in an interview "I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."

    If he longed so much to be there, why didn't he volunteer when he returned form France? The Army could have used his great leadership talents.

    Funny how the strongest proponents of war are the ones who never fight in them.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    The worst situation there is, is to be willing and able to work to support yourself and your family and not be able to find or keep a job or jobs that allow you to do that.
    The idea that 47% of American want the government to just hand them a hand out is demeaning and wrong to most of those people who can't find work. Romney's background is in capital decisions, and whether he accepts or deserves the responsibility for the outsourcing that Bain Capital was responsible for, that is the associations he has. If he can dismiss 47% of the people as victims by choice he doesn't dererve my vote and this is from an active member of the LDS church. As far as regurgitating things from the left, no. As an independant wishing we had better choices I continue to believe in the country I and so many others have bled and died for deserves the best we have to give. Romney simply doesn't offer the best choice, especially for us 47%ers. Disabled Vietnam Veteran and LDS Sunday School President.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Shelama seems to have a problem with stay at home moms and the fact that they are at home rearing the next generation instead of out there with the workers. Sounds Maoist to me.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Someone touted getting rid of capital gains as a bad thing. What about farmers? Land rich and money poor, their only gain may have been in the inheritance of land. They are taxed on it HUGE if they try to sell it. Cap Gains hurts more than rich people.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:28 p.m.


    "According to various articles, and USDA press releases, as of June 2012 we have a record number of people in the US receiving food stamps."

    This is one of the most ridiculous of the Republican talking points.

    What do you expect to happen when the country gets thrown into a Depression?

    Lets turn on our brains and use some common sense. In a Depression, it seems likely that many Americans who have not previously needed assistance would need to turn to a program like Food Stamps for help feeding their families.

    Pretty simple concept really. When the Republicans ran the economy into the ground, there was a 100% chance that more Americans would need things like food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc.

    This argument from Republicans equates to the first-time homeowner who during their first Utah winter cranks the heat to stay warm, and then can't believe when the next bill from Questar comes and it's quadrupled in cost from summer!

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:24 p.m.


    I agree with you whole-heartedly. I'm an independent who has voted GOP in the past for many offices, including POTUS. I likely would have voted for Huntsman, had he won the primaries. He was far and away the sanest, smartest, most statesman-like candidate of the group. Far and away. Huntsman would have won the conservative vote, because they HATE Obama and would have voted anyone not Obama. He would have won a majority of the independent moderates like myself. And he would have pulled over more than a share of the libs.

    But the current GOP far-right base has no room for me (or Huntsman) in their small tent.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    I'm sorry, but CHS is inferring untruths. My dad and many other young men did not have to serve in Vietnam simply because their draft numbers didn't come up. My dad came from a working class family so wealth is not the key. Inferring that Romney somehow dodged Vietnam because of his wealth is a falsehood you whould be ashamed to spread. Many of your comments have been a little off base, but this one is just plain wrong.

  • RunningOnMT Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    How many of you really think that this one "not elegantly stated" comment is Romney's Waterloo?

    Are you really that confident that Obama and Biden can go two more months without a hiccup themselves.

    Have you already predicted the debates will go Obama's way?

    I seem to recall several times during the primaries when the polls clearly showed Romney was in trouble. True, Obama is by far the most formidable opponent, but using a sport's analogy, USC was supposed to win the national championship, Matt Barkley win the Heisman, etc. The point is to not award the prize before the season is over.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    To O'really 10:34 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012

    There's one thing you need to realize. I'm not a "Dem." My husband and I are mainstream Republicans, and have been since the 1970s. We don't like what Willard and his cronies are doing to the Republican party, and work to get it back to the moderate mainstream where it belongs. We're the exceptions to the Republican rule -- we investigate and think for ourselves, and don't just follow an mouth the party line.

    I truly wish that Jon Huntsman was the Republican nominee. He was the only quality candidate in the race for the Republican nomination. He wouldn't have made the incredible errors Willard has made. HE would have had a chance to win the presidency. Unfortunately he wasn't an extreme far right radical, so he wasn't acceptable to the Republican base. That is the Party's and the country's loss.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    My father is 77 yrs old. He started working when he was 15 and retired at 65. For 50 yrs, he paid Federal Income Taxes. Now he lives mainly off of Social Security and pays no FIT taxes. He paid FIT for 50 yrs, but as of now, he is in the 47%.

    My son is 21 yrs old. He goes to college full time and works 2 part time jobs. Because of how little he makes (so far), he pays no FIT. In a year or so, he'll graduate and be making a salary that will pay FIT and will likely pay FIT for the next 45+ yrs, until he retires. But as of now, he is in the 47%.

    According to Mitt Romney, both my father and my son are lazy, free-loaders.

    No doubt there are lazy, free-loaders out there. However, neither my 77 yr old father nor my 21 yr old son deserve that description, though they both fall into the 47%.

    None of the 47% should vote for Mitt. And none of the 53% who know someone in the 47% should vote for Mitt.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:52 p.m.


    "So it's the 47%'s fault that people like Romney pay them so little they arn't even in the first federal income tax bracket."

    Classic example of whining victims. Is it anyone's responsibility to provide you a living? It's nobody's fault that some can't take care of them self? Don't like it, go work somewhere else or start your own business. In a land of opportunity, everyone can become successful.

    It's these American beggars that's contributing to our deficit, and demanding something for nothing. Giving to these people just promotes dependency, and hurts the country. Like Obama, they blame someone else when things go wrong.

    Beggars may out number the responsible working class, and Obama may get another four years. Shame!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Wow, the liberals are showing that they don't remember the news for more than about 2 days, unless it is something bad about a conservative.

    If you look at the actual data, and not what Obama claims, you will find what the WSJ found in their article "The Data Behind Romney’s 47% Comments." There they show that 49% of all households receive direct government benefits. You can verify that in the article "47% in U.S. escape federal income tax" from the Herald Sun.

    According to various articles, and USDA press releases, as of June 2012 we have a record number of people in the US receiving food stamps. See "USDA: Americans receiving food stamps hits record 46.7 mln people in June" in the DesMoines Register. Even the Fact Checkers at ABC agree.

    Tell us, did Romney say anything that wasn't the truth? Do people who pay $0 in federal income tax care about additional tax cuts? Do people who are dependant on the government want to hear that they are being cut off, and that they have to work?

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    Whenever I read about Mitt's latest gaffe I wonder how big of an issue it is. I found the best way to find out if it is a big deal is if and Deseret News have an article about it. These two "news" sources only mention the negative news about Mitt if they absolutely have to. So, yeah, this latest comment from Mitt seems to be a big deal. I know that you can buy a lot of things when you have millions of dollars, but you do have to have some intelligence to be the president of the United States.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Doesn't Romney know that class warfare talk is out of style? Obama has been doing it for years...

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    "As a young married college student he lived in a basement apartment with cement walls and floors refusing assistance from his or Ann's parents because they wanted to make it in their own."

    Mitt supported his family while going to college by selling stocks George Romney gifted him. When Mitt started at Harvard, George gave them money to buy a house, which they sold a few years later for a significant profit.

    It isn't accurate to portray Mitt and Ann as people who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. In the same speech where Romney disses the 47%, he admits he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

    I kinda feel a little sorry for Romney. The Republican Party is a mess. One has to appeal to the ever growing extremist base but it then becomes difficult to capture the necessary moderates/independents in a general election. Is Romney the pragmatic moderate Gov. of MA or is he the ideologue who keeps trotting out red meat for the base? At some point the Republican Party is going to have to recognize they can't follow the extreme and govern at the same time.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    @patriot and everyone else who think Romney was saying something accurate

    The states with the highest rates of people not paying income taxes are in the south (and Idaho round out the top 10). Obama won only one of those states in 2008, Florida. Part of why Florida is so high in the rankings is because they have a lot of elderly who make up a large chunk of the 47%. The elderly of course tend to vote for Republicans, and most of them paid income taxes throughout their lives. Other groups in the 47% are the recently unemployed and young people, both groups intend to be future taxpayers. Then there's young families with kids where tax credits knock their income to 0. They're trying to provide for their families, how is that not responsible? It's quite common in Utah (13th highest rate of 0 income taxes). You can call the 47% lazy or question their work ethic or personal responsibility but if you think they're all Obama voters... Obama's winning 50 states, because in the south it's more than 50%. So it's false, these aren't just Democrats, many are Romney voters.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Romney's 47% is so bogus and so self-defeating in so many ways.

    Not least because a lot of people who don't pay taxes are, in fact, going to vote for Romney, and a lot of people who do pay taxes are going to vote for Obama. His nonsense that they represent irresponsible, dependent and entitled voters is going to appeal only to people, like birthers and anti-Muslim-Marxists, who were already strongly in his camp, and will it attract NOBODY from among the center and independents that he desperately needs.

    Ann Romney, a person who has never worked a day in her life in the economic workforce, and who has never had a financial or economic concern in her life, may be Romney's chosen adviser for the economic concerns of women, but who is it that's advising him on the rest of his disaster? Or who is it that's NOT advising him on how to run an effective campaign?

    There's something bizarre going on with Romney and he didn't learn it the mission field, at Bain, or as a Mormon bishop or stake president.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    The truth hurts. The fact is people aren't going to vote to decrease their benefits, no matter how much it destroys the economy or this nation. The democrats are pushing to get more people reliant on the government and their party (all in the name of "helping"). Which in the end they'll have all of the power. People are dependent on them. And we have a fiefdom all over again. The very system our ancestors ran away from hundreds of years ago.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:04 p.m.


    Don't regurgitate what you've heard from the left. Do you really believe putting more taxes on employers is going to help get the economy back on track? Do you really think that Obama has a plan to ever get the unemployment rate back below 8%? Or have you conceded to mediocrity?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    O'really: LOL!!

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    The sad thing is that Romney is attacking his own voting block. The poorest and least educated come from Red States. Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Many of the "values voters" are amongst the poorest Americans, most hardworking but they must self described "victims" according to Romney. To say that 47% of the electorate is unwilling to fend for themselves is preposterous. Utahns shouldn't throw stones. How many BYU Students are on some form of Govt assistance? Most of he married couples are. They actually get married young in order to qualify for Grants that would otherwise not be available. They are victims too according to Romney. Mitt isn't fit to be President.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Not a very artful comment, which Romney admits. But it's not as offensive as "clinging to guns and religion."

    No surprise Obama supporters love jumping on a distraction from the Middle East mess and the economy.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:00 p.m.


    your right for the past four years you have been spreading the same message. the problem is it is a lie. less then 9% of the population receive partial assistance from the government and less then 4% rely on it as their sole source of income. 91% of Americans rely solely on their own income and those that make to little are allowed to not pay personal income taxes but must pay all other taxes.


    I find it strangely humorous that you now want to act like Romney is a "victim." The only thing he is a victim of is his own words and no matter how you try to spin it they are out there for the whole world to hear.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:54 a.m.

    It seems Romney's approach to prosperity and full employment is to enslave the poor, strip them of their entitlements and make them a servant society to the plutocrates like himself and the rich will become richer and the poor poorer worthless exploited souls serving in Romney's bigger army for a better superior nation controlling planet earth.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    I truly believe that Romney is a good man, I think that unfortunately he does not have the answer to the problems of America. What he and Ryan propose in vague and generic terms are a return to the same ideas and mantra that led to the economic distress the country is in. They want to get by with the "are you better off than 4 years ago" argument. The reality is that Republican-right-wing-conservative-no regulation-trickle-down ideology hasn't worked except to put our economy in a deep hole that will take time and consistant effort to resolve. The Republican House has made sure that anything Democrats proposed to move us forward never saw the light of day. All they can do is obstruct. This is what they will continue to do!

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    Actually I think Mitt might have been wrong. Judging by many of the comments to this article there are a lot more than 47% that believe they are victims. And these "victims" believe Obama's policies are going to make them better off? LOL!

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Although Rove & Limbaugh's "permanent Republican majority" was already dead so soon, so soon, Obama made the Right go crazy. Romney, the best of a litter of runts in the Republican primaries, is only a symptom. You can't blame it all on him.

    A half-way decent Republican candidate would be crushing Obama already and an obvious slam-dunk landslide in November. Still, you can't blame it all on Romney. The promoters and enablers of the craziness of the Right, no matter how much they now distance themselves from Romney's clumsy incompetence, get some of the credit. This includes Limbaugh and Fox News, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, the birthers, and the "Obama's a Muslim-Marxist-Socialist who hates and is destroying America."

    It's a disaster and it's a loss. Not Mitt's pathetic losing but the entire Right. Democracy (or a representative republic) deserves and needs a competent, thoughtful, intelligent, effective opposition. Including intelligent, pragmatic, realistic Conservatism.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    The 47% DOES NOT vote for Democrats. The 47% is disproportionately southern. Is Obama winning Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Idaho, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi? No, not even close, and if 47% is the national average, it's above 50% in those states. The 47% includes most seniors, the most reliable republican voters. At best they split their votes 50-50 between the two parties. Romney is engaging in class warfare, attacking those at the bottom while knowing full well (I would hope) that many of them intend to vote for him and knowing that under the Ryan plan would lower his own income tax rate to basically 0.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    If you're offended by facts, the problem does not lie with the facts.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    I think two things should be obvious at this point:

    1) The group that released the video is trying to sink Romney's campaign.

    2) Romney's campaign keeps responding by send them more torpedoes.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Don't act like the spin is one sided. The Republicans had a whole day of their conventions themed around the Obama quote "You didn't build that". Of course he was talking about roads, bridges and the internet, not small business. But hey, don't let the facts taint a good slogan right?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    A friend and I had argued for months with him saying that Santorum would be a better candidate for the GOP and my insistance that Romney was level-headed enough to get through. Last night I finally conceded the argument. At least Santorum's oddities are all on display; we know what we would have gotten. This perfectly-lubricated weather vane however...

    The 47% are disproportionately southerners, 9 of the top 10 are southern states, the other is Hawaii. Utah is 13th. What makes up the 47%? Most seniors do, the recently unemployed who are looking for work, teenagers and college students who don't make much money, and young families with kids (probably what makes Utah ranked rather high) where the child/mortgage/earned income tax credits knock the income tax part of the bill to 0. Some of you reading this probably are Republicans that qualify (remember your tax refund? compare that to the income tax portion owed, if your refund was higher than that then you're part of the 47%, or maybe you're young, elderly, or unemployed).

    Under the Ryan budget, with no capital gains tax, Romney's income tax rate is 0 after deductions.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    I'm trying to figure out what was so bad about his comment. I thought it was great. If this was a logical world it would help his campaign.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Can Mitt answer this for us? How many of those 47% of Americans who do not owe a Federal Income Tax after deductions are factored in, participate in the same Religious faith as Mitt does, a religion whose followers often have a larger number of children than non-members, and even though they work for a living, and take nothing from the government, but due to their Child Tax Credits, they owe no Federal Income Tax?

    Mitt is a joke, but at least we're getting to see a little glimpse of who he really is. He's the rich white guy who sees anyone not at his status level as a lower human being who hasn't been as successful as Mitt and his buddies because they are lazy.

    Mitt has now come full circle. A very Moderate governor of a Liberal state has morphed, or remorphed, into a beakon for the wealthy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    I really could care less about political games anymore. Romney stated a bold truth and it isn't going to turn away anyone who was voting for Romney and Ryan in the first place. In fact I think it makes us respect Mitt even more. For those Obama zombies who don't pay taxes... Romney had no chance at these dead beats anyway. Ronald Reagan couldn't attract this vermin. Go after those that you can get and forget the rest. Why waste TV adds and millions on brain dead do nothings? The only way to attract the entitlement crowd is to promise them more and more. It is like the kid who won't clean his room unless he is paid. What do you do after you talk to him and try to reason with him and it all fails? You simply state that while he lives in this house he WILL clean his room and he will NOT get paid for it. It is his duty as a member of the family. There are no freebies here and we all pull our weight. He will hate you for it but what are you gonna do?

  • Dog Fur Prather, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Maybe some think you can "put a fork in Romney" now because he is done. But the fact is that Obama is putting a fork in the USA because I believe he wants it to be done. Romney is our best hope for a healthy American. Go Romney!

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    I hear that Romney's holding a fund raiser today. Donor-supporters will pay $25,000 a plate to attend. Perhaps if Romney spent more time with the working poor, he might understand that many of the goods and services he enjoys are dependent upon a poorly paid, hardworking class of people. But then he already knows this. As an international business trader, he understands the value of poorly-compensated labor. Odd, then, that he wants more from those who give so much to the economy for an ever-decreasing return. It would appear that conservative American politics is ramping up the pride cycle.

    "What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord God of hosts." (Isaiah 3:15)

    "And thus they did obtain the sole management of the government, insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God." (Helaman 6:39)

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    @ xscribe. Romney IS sticking to what he said. He only clarifies because many take his words and mix them up. Then he has to speak to the press again restating what he already said- slowly so that dems and libs can get it. Honestly. What the press and folks like you are doing is despicable! I fear you and the rest of us will get your reward for this- another 4 years of Obama and a broken, depressed and disfunctional nation.

    Has anyone wondered just what they might hear if a hidden camera took video of Obama in a private fundraiser meeting, or a private campaign meeting? Oh my, what a hayday we could have with his words. But they'd never get out to the public because the media wouldn't make them public. He's their pampered and protected little pet. It's outrageous! " Egypt is sort of our ally but not really." Sheesh! Our potus doesn't even know if Egypt is an ally or not? Does this get pounced on and dragged thought the swamp by the liberal media? Nope! Hardly a ripple.

    We need a real leader. Romney is our only hope at this point!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    What could be worse...

    Accusing 47% who don't pay taxes as all being lazy, helplessly dependant victims?
    Being a Multi-Multi-Millionarie,
    running for the Highest Office in America,
    Defying your own Father's footsteps and secretly hiding your tax returns from the public eye,
    being accused of not paying income tax for the last 10 years by the Highest ranking U.S. Senator,
    and finally finding out it's true?!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    @Millsap fan

    Oh give us a break.

    He gave away his interitance, after his father paid for his boarding school, his mission (while somehow not having to serve in Vietnam), his BYU education, his Harvard law school, and his first house.

    Other than that, Mitt has earned it all himself.... If we could all have been so "in touch" when we were younger.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Reading this same article and following comments on the Internet in numerous newspapers throughout our nation.
    The overwhelming consensus throughout our country is....... "Mitt Romney is done...put a fork in him".

  • Caprice PROVIDENCE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Romney is absolutely right. The "secret" video revealed nothing new and is nothing to be ashamed of. The facts are the facts. Mitt is interested in helping all Americans to a better life, but he realizes that to focus on trying to get the 47% who do not pay taxes to switch over to him would be a waste of time, so that is not where he is focused. But he would still work for those 47% to improve their lives when he is elected. God knows we can't take another 4 years under Obama's harmful administration. Mitt Romney honestly has a plan to bless all Americans. He is our only hope of putting America back to work. People need to stop being so thin skinned and realize that Mitt Romney is the only man who can save our economy right now. We don't have time to get it wrong any more.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    America is in bad shape and it underscores how bad when a candidate states a truth and is hated for it.

    The truth: I have been saying this for 4 years now but here it is.... almost 50% of America could care less about unemployment because they get their money from the government. Who cares if unemployment is 8.2% or 18.2% or 38.2%.... it doesn't effect them and they DON'T CARE!! I know people like this and it makes me sick!! They are lazy, selfish, drones that leech off the earnings of others - generation after generation.Why work if you get a hand out for more than what you could work for? What a pathetic and ugly statement but it is where America is today and Obama FEEDS that mentality.

    The facts: there are legit cases where people do need help from the government but the system is so GROSSLY abused today and Obama simply plays into that abuse. How do you win against a candidate who is willing to destroy America to win an election?

    America is finished and does not deserve freedom or prosperity anymore. Sad for those few that do deserve.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    Millsap fan: I voted for Obama, and not once have I asked for government assistance. Maybe you, like Romney, should more elegantly state your position so as to not make such a blanket statement.

  • Millsap fan Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:46 a.m.


    The media has done a great job of portraying Romney as completely out of touch with the poor or even middle class. But here are the facts:

    Romney gave away his entire inheritance, ALL OF IT. As a young married college student he lived in a basement apartment with cement walls and floors refusing assistance from his or Ann's parents because they wanted to make it in their own. He never took a salary as governer. He's paid for others' college education. He has donated massive amounts of his income to charity. He's been a bishop responsible for the welfare of the poor in his congregation.

    Romney knows that true happiness comes to those who work for a living and dint rely on unemployment

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    And the other 53% are born to auto industry CEOs.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    I started working when I began college and have paid FIT every year in the 30+ yrs since then. I've never been on government assistance.

    This latest peek into the mind of Mitt Romney is not an aberration. Mitt has shown over and over again his disdain for those who are not wealthy like himself. He has shown that he has absolutely no capacity to understand the 99%. He is incapable of representing me.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Furry 1993- Romeney's so -called "Foot-In-Mouth" disease is nothing of the sort. He speaks TRUTH and then the libs and Democrats take his words out of context, spin them, distort them and turn them into something there were not.

    In saying he doesn't care about the 47% on welfare, he was talking about their vote, not their person/soul/individual worth. 47% of voters aren't likely to change thier vote at this point because they are so dependent on Obama's plan to keep them on welfare. So when he ways he "doesn't care" he's essentially saying, "Our focus and CONCERN (care) in relation to gathering votes needs to be on the taxpayers who currently support Obamba. We need to change their minds." And why would he possibly want to change their minds? So he can change policy that will in turn inspire more influential business owners to create jobs rather than paying the government in taxes to in turn pay people to stay unemployed. It's not rocket science.

    I'm so sick of dems prepostrous autop-spin on Romney's words rather than listening to what he's really saying.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    The Deseret News really needs a tab under the masthead marked "Justifying Mitt" for all the defensive articles your reporters churn out on him. I suppose it would be easy to say that Romney's comment was taken out of context. Under what context is implying that 47 percent of Americas are co-dependent mooches a good thing?

  • Millsap fan Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Romney couldn't be more correct. People who vote for Obama ask what else can the government do for me? Since Obama has been in office more people are on welfare, food stamps, and unemployment then before he took office. And they are not getting off it anytime soon. Therein lies the problem.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    So this is the drum the left will pound for the next week or so. Then the next jobs report is going to come down the pipe and people are going to realize that we HAVE to make a change. Obama isn't up to helping the 47% become self reliant.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    Furry1993: My quote was "Mitt, speak your mind and stick to it!" I guess my point is your point: He does speak his mind, but when it doesn't get the attention he wants, he changes his mind or tries to clarify. He is the master of flip-flop and saying what his current audience wants to hear.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    This is total spin by the Dem media mob. Where in his statement does he say or even infer that he doesn't care about those who don't pay income tax? Of course he cares!! Why do you think he is so valiantly trying to become president? So that he can change the course of America which at present is headed right off a financial cliff. The federal government cannot afford to support so many of it's citizens. Romney wants to help people help themseves, get them working, being productive and feeling good about themselves again. Obama wants to get the nation under his allpowerful thumb so that he is in control. It's Romney who cares more deeply about the poor and down-trodden than Obama.You don't help people who are down by keeping them penned into a never ending cycle of dependency. You give them a hand-up by finding them a job. And that ISN'T going to happen if we over-tax the business owners who could create those jobs.

    Come on Dems. Romney's way is the only way we're going to get out of this downward spiral.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    To xscribe 8:25 a.m. Sept. 18, 2012

    . . . Mitt, speak your mind . . .


    He just did, and we all found out how little he values anyone who isn't one of his peer group (the "haves" and "have-mores" to quote GWBush). He finally told the truth about what he thinks. I am now wondering how "Mr. Flip-Flop", "Mr. Etch-A-Sketch", is going to handle this episode of foot-in-mouth disease.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    I to would like to thank you CHS 85 and all those men and women who are or have been in the military for your service to our country. I gladly will pay my income tax to help those wonderful men in women in our armed services past and present. I would also support an increase in military spending if that spending went directly to the troops past and present. I would be willing to pay more in taxes for that as well.

    I am with you xscribe, I to have been trying to find a reason to vote for Mr. Romney. This statement clearly shows he does not get it. Since he believes that corporations are people to, shouldn't he call out the big banks who took bailout money, the oil companies who get taxpayer subsidies each year, General Electric who paid no US tax, but no he calls out the working poor, the elderly those in our society who are least able to help themselves because they constitute the majority of that 47%. This election is all but over because Mr. Romney continues to pander to the extreme right.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    @CHS 85

    Thank you for your service to our country. It's because of people like you that we enjoy our freedom. Although I am fortunate enough to be in the 53% of Americans who are in a position to pay federal taxes I do not consider you or anybody in our military as a victim or free loader. Govenor Romney should apologize to you and others in the 47% he is writing off. If not, he does not have a chance to turn his campaign around.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    This is one of those instances where Romney believes everything he said, but now has to try to make it look like he doesn't believe it or needs to clarify it. I'm really waiting for a candidate to stand up and say, This is what I believe. If you don't like it, don't vote for me. If you do, then vote for me.

    Mountanman has stated in the past that it doesn't matter what Romney or Obama says, because we have all made up our minds already, or at least most of us have. Nothing could be further from the truth: I keep waiting for Romney to give me a reason to vote for him, something that would change my mind, but he only says what he wants the particular group he is talking to at the moment to hear. Mitt, speak your mind and stick to it!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Funny, when I was an Air Force active duty E-3 with a wife and child, I paid no federal income tax. I received am "Earned Income Credit" because my income was so low as I put on my uniform every day and went to work in conditions that Mitt never even knows exist.

    I guess I was a "victim."

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    One wonders if mit is part of the 47% who pay no income taxes?

    A recent IRS report showed that 20,752 households that reported earning more than $200,000 in 2009 paid no federal income taxes. About 1,500 of those tax-free Americans were millionaires.

    A lot of people who pay no income taxes are using the loopholes and deductions designed for them, as low income, hard working families. The same deductions which mit used to pay less (percentage wise) on his taxes (that he has released) than most average Americans, as constantly defended by the far right as "legal." So why is it, that when poor, working or retired people use the legal means to reduce their tax burden, they are freeloaders?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    So it's the 47%'s fault that people like Romney pay them so little they arn't even in the first federal income tax bracket.

    Why isn't it important who actually build things, fixes things and does actual labor to Mitt? He has no value of work. All he's ever done is write checks and things magically happen. (by poor people that labor for a living)

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:49 a.m.


    Romney is right? First of all, a lot of that 47% contributes or contributed a lot to the betterment of our society. They may pay property taxes, state taxes, income taxes etc. They are our parents or sick neighbors living on social security, or needing medicaid or medicare. They could be teachers, single parents, or people who have 2 jobs trying to make enough to get by. People complain about big goverment until no one is there to address the ills of our society. Romney would be winning this election easily if he would provide credible details as to how he would cure the economy. He was a terrible Govenor (leaving office with a 35% approval rating) and has no credibility with the majority of Americans. While many Americans are not satisfied with Obama the majority won't simply vote for Romney because of that. They want substance, details and charecter. So far in this election, Americans are not convinced he is providing any of those.

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    The sad part is that Romney is absolutely right. Furthermore it is Romney, not Obama, that could be the best hope for that 47% as he would provide opportunities for them to succeed and not be victums of big government.

  • IndependentLiberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Stick a fork in this guy...Is he done? He made these remarks in the retirement capital of the USm Boca Raton FL where at a minimim 47% of the population is relying on government Social Security. Latest Odds on the Electorial Count before this blunder is Obama 305 Romney 230.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 7:18 a.m.

    The best argument for an Obama 2nd term is his opponent. This election cannot get over fast enough.