Mitt Romney shifts message to challenge status quo

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2012 8:56 a.m.


    To answer your question " Do you really think a person who does not pay federal income taxes will vote for Romney?" YES, they do it all the time. Utah for example has the 13 lowest percentage of its potential tax payers who pay any federal income tax and yet the vote overwhelmingly republican every year. Same for Idaho.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 19, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    Are you conservatives really going to blame the media if Romney ends up losing?

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    UBD: you take me far to seriously. Anyone who thinks the worlds problems will be solved in the forums of the Des news, and gets as uptight as people here do, needs to eat more bran. I prefer an occasional lighthearted look at things, especially when some get so desperate to throw stones.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Romney's controlers have found that they can not win a debate about the ecconomy. Nobody wants a return to the failed policies of the Bush administration, and that is all that they are proposing to do. That really is the only thing of signifcance that the Republicans are offering. They will try to draw attention away from that fundamental by pulling out the only thing that has worked for them in the past, guns and babies. The insiders really don't care about either, but they know those issues will touch the emotional core of many of their less informed members. The reason that drum hasn't been beaten already is that the oposition quit fighting them on that front. They would start debating gay mariage and minorities right to vote if they thought they could get away with it. They have already had some of their members questioning women's right to vote.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Polls? -- whatever...

    Obama = 332
    Romney = 206

    270 in needed to win.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    Romney, romney, romney. Never mind him. For the good of the nation, he needs to lose. How can we help obama defeat him?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    @ alt134. Today’s Rasmussen poll, which was the most accurate poll in the last election, has Romney ahead of Obama by 4 points. But don’t misunderstand me, I think Obama has the best chance being re-elected because some 47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes. Do you really think a person who does not pay federal income taxes will vote for Romney? If it were a law that actual income tax payers were the only ones who could to vote, Democrats would never win any election! What I can’t understand is why Democrats hate and demean rich people (except their own). Of all people, Democrats should revere, respect and admire “rich” people for giving them a free ride!

  • Utah Girl Vernal, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    Looking forward to the debates, when I hope we will be able to find out more about what each candidate believes and plans to do, and not so much about what the "other guy" is not doing, or cannot do, etc. I support Mitt Romney, because I know that he is smarter, and much more capable than he sometimes appears to be. He is admittedly not a great public speaker, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some great ideas, as well as good plans for implementing those ideas. I don't care what his tax returns say. I care about what he will do to help improve the economic condition of our country, and of the individuals who are hurting for work.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    CBS over sampled registered voters by 13 percent and likely voters by 6 percent (yet in the 2008 election, Democrats only outnumbered Republicans by 7 percent and in 2004 it was 0), yet CBS only has Obama winning by 3 and 8 points respectively, which are both significantly lower than the over sample.

    It is all about headlines and creating memes for the media to run with.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:48 a.m.


    I believe that Mountainman was speaking of Pollish people, not actual oppinion poles. There seems to be a little confusion in some people's minds.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    For those of you who want to blame the media for Romney's poor showing - check again. Factual comparisons of stories and headlines in the MSM show that there are many more negative headlines and stories about Obama than there are about Romney. Granted - there are some news sources that are outliers in one direction or the other, but overall Romney is presented much more favorably than Obama.

    As for jobs, the current economy is on track to create 12 million new jobs over the next four years - Romney is promising nothing new.

    And so far he has not provided any specifics for how he is going to accomplish the things he says he is going to accomplish. Give me details - tell me item by item what loopholes are going to be closed and what programs are going to be eliminated - give me enough information that I can make an informed decision and not have to just take his word for it.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    romney has been running for the POTUS for 8 years...

    For Pete's sake.

    Surely, by now, with only 50+ days left, undecided voters have got to know the specifics regarding his laser-like formulas to make everything all better real fast?

    Now, undecided voters find that the romney campaign will get back to them on specifics?


  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    "That’s why he is leading Obama in many of the most recent polls. "

    Real Clear Politics averages of recent polls...
    Nationally: Obama 48.5 Romney 45.5 O+3.0
    New Hampshire: Obama 47.3 Romney 43.3 O+4.0
    Ohio: Obama 48.5 Romney 44.3 O+4.2
    Virginia: Obama 48.3 Romney 46.8 O+1.5
    Florida: Obama 47.8 Romney 46.5 O+1.3
    Wisconsin: Obama 48.2 Romney 46.8 O+1.4
    Iowa: Obama 45.0 Romney 44.8 O+0.2
    Colorado: Obama 48.3 Romney 45.3 O+3.0
    Michigan: Obama 48.0 Romney 41.7 O+6.3
    Pennsylvania: Obama 48.7 Romney 40.3 O+8.4
    Missouri: Romney 50.3 Obama 43.0 R+7.3
    Nevada: Obama 49.0 Romney 45.7 O+3.3
    North Carolina: Romney 49.8 Obama 45.0 R+4.8

    Before the conventions they were about tied, since the conventions Romney only had a 1-2 point bounce and Obama had 3-4 from his so it's left Obama back up to the 2-3 point lead he had pre-Ryan pick.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    We've gained private sector jobs 30 months in a row. You conservatives have weird definitions of "failure" and "making things worse".

    @Counter Intelligence
    "Why didn't the author point out that Carter was 6 points ahead of Reagan at this point in the campaign "

    Because that sort of comeback isn't the norm, and Romney is no Reagan.

    @ute alumni
    "barry never changes his mind? right? gay marriage."

    It's obvious that Obama always supported gay marriage during his political career and just kept his view closeted for a while. After all, what the heck does "evolving" mean? It means "like heck am I going to support this until the rest of the nation gets to where having this view doesn't make you unelectable". Basically, it's the same sort of logic that leads Romney to be on just about every side of just about every issue.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Changing you mind with a logical rational behind it is a good thing. Only complete fools never change their mind. I don't mind if either change their mind on a issue from time to time, or have those mature over time.

    Thank heaven some people have changed their views on race, women vote, equality for all people, non-land holders having the right to vote, people being valued at 3/5th the value of others, segregation, religious freedom. All these represent deviations from the days standard thinking.

    A willingness to learn and change you mind shows a thriving intellect. Those who refuse to be open to new ideas show a level of arrogance that I would never want to see in the White House - no matter the party they are aligned to.

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    When I listen to a speech presented these days by President Obama I feel like I'm listening to a Republican candidate for president. No wonder there's a perception of little difference between him and Mr. Romney. Not only should Mr. Romney clarify his message, to show differences between his and President Obama's policies, but he should also clarify the differences between President Obama's actions and his 2008 promises and his renewals of those promises in 2012. President Obama's speeches and promises do not speak as loudly as his actions and Mr. Romney would do well not only to clarify his own agenda but continue to clarify that President Obama's agenda is revealed more by his actions than by his speeches and promises.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:54 a.m.


    You only need talk to a few Olympic vollunteers to find out that Mitt is not the man he is trying to paint himself as. As for his hiding income tax returns, he has either been less than truethful to the IRS or to the American people. If he releases those documents, it will expose him. It isn't the press that is causing him to drop in the poles, it is his own actions, or lack of action. He has almost no chance of winning in November.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    barry never changes his mind? right? gay marriage. i wish barry would as his decisions continue to be disastrous

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    Willard changes his mind yet again?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    @ Oldrunner. You are right; people are discovering the real Mitt, not as the Democrats have tried to paint him but as he really is! That’s why he is leading Obama in many of the most recent polls. You can fool some of the people all the time, but nobody can fool all the people all the time! Obama has fooled some people but he isn’t fooling most people!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Ned, if you aren't sure what the policies are... you're not looking very hard. You can see them every day - for better or worse - because they are in force right now. Hence why there haven't been a lot of questions about "what are you going to do"..... he is doing. Like it or not.

    On the other hand, one man is running for office that isn't currently president yet. And he is the one who has the burden of proof to detail what he would do if he had the opportunity to serve. One is doing... the other wants to do. Therefor, yes, the burden on Romney is a bit higher.

    This is much along the line of the "Repeal Obamacare" change. That in its self isn't something that is actionable. If you are going to undo something - you must do something else. That something else has never been detailed. Perhaps Obamacare would be easily overturned if we had an option. But this is like discussing with our kids what they will do today - when all they will answer is what they won't do.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    The biggest hurdle Mitt Romney faces to election is a mainstream media that DESPERATELY is trying to get Barack Obama re-elected.

    The last few months they have mostly been "spinning" the facts. Over the weekend I began to see them actually "fibbing".

    As desperation sets in for the mainstream media, I suspect it will get much worse.

  • oldrunner Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    People are discovering the true Mitt. They aren't liking what they are finding. Not in Utah, mind you. Nationally, his numbers are dropping like a rock.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    I would love to see BO forced to discuss specifics intead of the general mish-mash he spouts now. I'm tired of his trying to play etch-a-sketch time after time -- it's well-past time to tie him down to something... Giggles.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Tax returns, Mitt. Your credibility suffers more and more every day you don't share them.

    And btw, the best tweet seen this week: "The Dow is now at a 4-year high. Obama is the world's worst socialist."

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    This article is a great example of Associated Press selective fact presentation journalist editorializing

    "The struggling campaign" - Why didn't the author point out that Carter was 6 points ahead of Reagan at this point in the campaign

    "Lack of momentum" - Romney has continuously narrowed the gap and is on course for November. The supposed convention bump of Obama has disappeared and he still polls below 50%, which is horrible for an incumbent (even in skewed polls that over sample Democrats).

    Carter attempted to portray Reagan as a mad warmonger much the same way Obama has tried to portray Romney as a vulture
    Carter lost when he debated Reagan and it became obvious Carter was lying.

    Obama will face the same problem

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    It sounds like his campaign is in shambles and in need of a "turn around expert". Much like the 2002 Olympic Committee needed in SLC back in 1999?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 17, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    These shifts in strategy in the Romney campaign are because what the campaign has been based on so far are not working. Banking on voter discontent with Obama is not going to carry him to victory. They see that now and time is running out.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    I would love to see Willard forced to discuss specifics intead of the general mish-mash he spouts now. I'm tired of his trying to play etch-a-sketch time after time -- it's well-past time to tie him down to something.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 17, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Yes, we are now moving off the "I am rubber, you are glue" phase to the "I know you are but what am I" phase campaigning.

    I anxiously await the debates to see how there gents work in a less scripted environment, and one where they have to talk about themselves rather than pointing out the flaws in the other candidate. One can hope..... but expectations are extremely low.

    Obama needs to explain how he intends to pull the nation off its 1 trillion plus over spending habit.

    Romney needs to explain how he really thinks he can go into an economic war with China without damaging the US economy..

    Lots more to be told on how they plan on doing things, and mush less on pointing out the other's flaws.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    momentum? really. jobs, failed. american security worldwide, failed. gas prices $4 a gallon, failed. leadership, failed. economy in the toilet, failed. sounds to me like a new definition of momentum. I guess it is true you get momentum when you go downhill.