BYU football: Will Notre Dame, ACC alliance impact BYU-Irish series?

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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 15, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Which one is more likely?

    BYU joining the Big 12.

    BYU obsessed Utah fans actually obsessing about teams in the PAC 12 and "leaving BYU behind," like they said they were going to do over two years ago.

    It's laughable that Utah has hung PAC 12 banners from every light pole in Salt Lake City, yet the Utes continue to obsess about the future opponents and television schedules of a supposedly irrelevant independent.


    btw, when was the last time a Utah fan actually posted on a blog of their "new rival," Colorado?


    Why don't you go look and find out for yourself.

    The road to independence is paved without rivals without the prestige of Notre Dame.


    Wishful Thinking BYU Fan

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 15, 2012 12:07 a.m.


    Which one is more likely?

    BYU joining the Big 12.

    BYU obsessed Utah fans actually obsessing about teams in the PAC 12 and "leaving BYU behind," like they said they were going to do over two years ago.

    It's laughable that Utah has hung PAC 12 banners from every light pole in Salt Lake City, yet the Utes continue to obsess about the future opponents and television schedules of a supposedly irrelevant independent.


    btw, when was the last time a Utah fan actually posted on a blog of their "new rival," Colorado?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 14, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    I try to be realistic and pragmatic. I just don't see any way BYU gets invited to a BCS Conference on BYU terms. The Big 12 is required to take all of a school's sports, not just football. And there is just now way they would change their schedules and tournaments to accommodate BYU's no Sunday rule. The Big Least will accomodate football only but I don't think BYU is interested enough to sacrifice their TV rights to join that conference. Besides, BE and BYU had already reached an impasse last time they talked.

    So to all you wishful thinkers. Joining a BCS conference is not in the cards. And no, Ute Trolls, it is not because we wouldn't be competitive. It is because of our own self-imposed restrictions.

    To those who are talking about "dissolution of the BCS"--The ones talking about a real playoff are the BCS people themselves. If you don't think they are going to maintain their good ole boy club in regard to a national playoff, you are very naive. Get used to independence. Sadly, that is our only option right now.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    ESPN says "BYU: The programs are slated to meet in South Bend this year and next, with four games split between the two schools' locations sometime in 2014-20. That will probably be all for these two schools, assuming they can even keep those games alive."

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Ernest How is moms basement?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 14, 2012 5:50 a.m.

    BYU is doing just fine with Independence.
    Notre Dame will keep it's games with BYU.

    With the 5 ACC games, SC, Stanford and Navy all locks, look for ND to keep 4 open dates a year to get to all regions of the Country.

    Notre Dame has to cover the Nation for their fan base, as does BYU.
    Independence is the only way to do this.

    The games which will be changed up will be their BIG (10) games.
    Michigan, Michigan St. and Purdue. This is where their alterations will be made.

    ND must play in every region, BYU is in the Rocky Mtn. region and therefore is safe.

    Sorry folks, BYU likes it's Olympic Sports in the WCC for travel purposes and fan base.

    The only way BYU joins a Conference is if the Big East can leverage their Basketball prowess into a Major TV deal and a Major Bowl tie in.

    Also, they will have to play ball with BYU on BYU-TV, Rebroadcast and Home Game rights. And some sort of deal would have to include BYU's exclusive ESPN contract.

    It's about Exposure and Money. Let's all just enjoy the ride....

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    "ute fans" quit being so pathetic. the game takes place on the field.

  • John Stewart Pill Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    Let me guess, my poor Cougs are going to receive the short end of the stick.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    Just beat Utah on Saturday night and we'll see a lot less of these arrogant Ute fans on BYU articles.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    let me use byu fan logic here. since ND is cancelling the byu series (to make their SOS better) to play better big name schools it means they're scared. ok i get it now.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    OHBU "Can we all stop talking about BCS bowls. Did everybody miss the memo that the BCS is done after next year?"

    You didn't read the memo. The bowls still exist without the BCS name. However, they kicked out the Big East, so it is even more exclusive. The final four will most likely be the same bowls.

    BYU needs to make a deal like Notre Dame ASAP.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    oops i meant cancelling th byu series to play better teams*

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 13, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    The plot thickens...

    I bet the Big East morphs into two divisions with one of them looking suspiciously like some version of the Mountain West Conference. I could see San Diego State, Utah State, Boise State, BYU, UNLV, Nevada-Reno, and Fresno State. Those are good schools for Basketball and Olympic sports. There would be enough good football programs in the combined East/West Conference to have credibility for consideration for the National Championship game. If you keep the divisions small you can still have plenty of games with other schools to put together a competitive schedule. The fact that some of these schools have some hard feelings about how the conference realignment has unfolded is not lost on me, but I think those issues can be overcome.

    Stay tuned...

    Sept. 13, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    BYU, you are going to be left out if you do not get into a conference. Wouldn't it be cooler if it was Utah PAC-12, BYU BIG-12. Never going to happen though. IMO there has been some very questionable calls by the higher ups. Don't really care what happens with the Y but two big conferences in this state, WOW. We would have played each other for ever.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    @Tom in CA

    With pleasure! Weber State is in a stable conference (comparable to the SEC in FCS). GO WILDCATS!

    We had had the Fredette.

    Good luck to the Cougars. We look forward to continue working with BYU on their future independent schedules. Keep those checks coming our way!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 13, 2012 10:15 a.m.

    Wildcat - just keep rooting for weber state.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    BYU, looks like you better start practicing your apology to Craig Thompson. "Take me back baby, I was wrong to leave you...I need you, I love you, I'll never walk out again." Something along those lines.

    If not, and BYU remains to be independent, I have come up with a theme for you. I know BYU likes themes! Not Band of Brothers or Quest for Perfection.

    Make the Lavern and Shirley song your theme! "We'll do it our way, yes our way, make all our dreams come true for me and you."

    Go get'em! To the serious Cougar fans, my condolences, the Big 12 would look pretty good right now.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 13, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    ND media and others have already said this move was done to make their football scheduling easier. Their independent status will not last much longer, they will join a conference.

    BYU would be affiliating the Big 12 for the same reason that ND did not. Why add Texas, TCU, Kansas St, Oklahoma, WV and other power schools to their schedule along with rivals like Michigan, USC and Michigan St?

    ND went the ACC route because its not as tough there.
    BYU does not have power rivalries that ND does.
    Sure BYU could very well make some form of agreement with the Big 12, but the fact still remains it will be tough to fill out their schedule and be left with New Mexico St, Idaho....and others again.

    Conference SOS is the wave of the future in the new playoff system. If not as some of you claim. Why are the Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10 and SEC talking about it?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    byu pretty much owns college football. Noter Dame will have to do anything we tell them to do.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    @OHBU - I was going to write your post. Good job. The BCS bowls are coming to an end, so it is win, baby win, and SOS. The SOS factor will cause teams to think twice about scheduling Savanna State and Eastern Washington. They'll have to schedule big boys like BYU.

    Boise, Utah, and Hawaii all got BCS bids by going unbeaten in weak conferences. Won't happen anymore. BYU should stay independent. The name teams will come calling, and BYU doesn't care who they are - they'll play them.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    Can we all stop talking about BCS bowls. Did everybody miss the memo that the BCS is done after next year? The Big East has no ties to a major bowl, and with the dissolution of the BCS, I don't see a major advantage to being in that conference. Definitely doesn't serve BYU. The future is the four-team playoff, which will likely expand. If BYU can continue to put together good schedules, they will likely have the needed sos to sneak into the top 4 if they ever go undefeated.

  • Mister J SLC, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    @ eastcoastcoug 5:57 a.m. Sept. 13, 2012

    "BYU has 2 major problems"

    Just 2??

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 13, 2012 7:50 a.m.

    Honestly, the only course of action BYU has currently is to remain independent. The Big East is no longer "a major conference" and with all the realignment going on BYU would do well to remain as they are and wait things out. If they do well this season in football than scheduling will continue to improve. If they do poorly... than they still have a pretty decent schedule for the near-future, comparable to what they faced in the MWC. If the Big 12 ever calls we should jump at it, but I don't think that's happening until we get a BCS bowl under our belt, which may take a few years. Fortunately, things are going pretty well in football right now and the basketball time is starting to establish itself as a real power. The future is bright for BYU. Go Cougs!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    @ Floyd Johnson

    "This new alliance does provide an opportunity to initiate discussions between the ACC and BYU that could be favorable for all parties"

    Your *solution* is a unilateral advantage for BYU. Sure, a payout from the Irish. But, 6 games to replace 3 or 4?

    If it were a 2 away & 1 home with say Clemson & VA Tech that might be doable.

    There is a chance to access that National fan base I keep hearing about & numerous missionary moments; How can Holmoe pass those up?

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    Dear We're. The PAC12 require all games played by a member must have PAC 12 referees. The only games that don't would be the Nc game. That way the close calls are in their favor

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 13, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    BYU has 2 major problems:

    1- Without membership in a BCS conference, they will never get in a BCS bowl game or share in the revenues of the teams in the conference who do get in. That's where the money is...

    2- We have a listless program that is really no better than it was in the 70's and 80's (1984 excepted). Don't believe me? Just watch Saturday which team plays with more emotion. As independents, unless we win EVERY game, we won't get into a BCS bowl.

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 4:18 a.m.

    Notre Dame will cancel the last 4 games in the series and won't make a trip to Provo. BYU will play Idaho and New Mexico State in November games, along with the service academies. BYU will also stack its September and October schedule with good teams from around the country. Die hard "Football First" fans needs to get in line with the priorities of the school and church.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    So far, most of the BYU major opponents have the upper hand in scheduling. We play the first game at their place. Or, we play two games at their place in return for one at ours. And when we do play them, they usually have their conference officials. Didn't Ole Miss and Texas have their conference refs? Note that the Washington State game there were PAC 12 officials. It will be interesting to see where the refs are from for the Utah game.

    Currently, the ESPN contract, while lucrative, dictates BYU playing on Thursday or Saturday nights. (How many people outside of the Rockies ESPN thinks will watch BYU-Utah, especially at a 10 PM EST kickoff, is anybody's guess.) Wouldn't 2:00 PM be much, much better for us?

    Major conferences would love to have the BYU fan base glued to their TVs. They don't want much, if anything, to do with no Sunday play, however.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    Good news, I don't think the alliance happens or goes into effect until 2015 with the legal arrangements ND has with the Big East in other sports. So the games should not be effected until then.

    The bad news is that ND will be committed to at least five games with ACC teams. I'm sure games with Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, USC and Navy will take precedence over games with BYU because these are traditional rivalry games for ND. Even Stanford, a relatively new opponent for ND has a longer history. This means 1-2 games might be left on the schedule for BYU to slide into.

    It will have an effect probably.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Which one is more likly?

    A) One BYU fan thinks ACC is around the corner with 3 games.

    B) Yet another thinks BYU will be playing Notre Dame in PAC-12 Country in the LA Coliseum after they cancel the series with a PAC-12 team, USC, and then alternate with Stanford.

    C) Two others think Big 12 will be calling because the 40 year discussions are coming to a end.

    D) New Mexico State agrees with BYU.

    My guess is D. But then again I could be wrong.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:30 p.m.


    Quite obviously, Notre Dame doesn't consider BYU a "weaker" opponent, unlike the Utes, who were completely embarrassed in their lone audience granted by the Fighting Irish in South Bend.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Interesting statement:
    "It (Notre Dame) abhors playing weak opponents. It's never played a team from the former Division I-AA and does everything it can to avoid a non-BCS team.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    Too early to tell, except that the landscape continues to change.

    The Big 12 let Texas keep the Longhorn Network, so who knows what the future holds?

    Don't go wobbly, stay the course and exercise a particle of trust in the future.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    Perhaps BYU can strike a deal similar to ND's new deal??? Perhaps BYU aligns partially with the Big 12 - playing each one of the Big 12 teams every 3 years would be nice.

    I love independence. It allows for fans to travel all over the country and see lots of different teams/stadiums. After a while, I tire of playing against the same teams in the conference so my hope is that we stay independent.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Notre Dames rivalry with USC is forever.
    That's never changing.
    Notre Dame wants to play on the West Coast every year.

    Therefore, Stanford is in the picture.
    Not sure that has the tradition of a USC.

    Perhaps BYU can alternate with Stanford and BYU can play Notre Dame in the LA Coliseum.
    It would be a bigger ticket than N.D. Stanford by every measure.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    In response to the question: Yes, Notre Dame's ACC alliance will impact the BYU-Irish series. Expect no change in the 2013 game, one trip to Provo about 2016, and a buy out for the remaining three games. This new alliance does provide an opportunity to initiate discussions between the ACC and BYU that could be favorable for all parties. A potential compromise would be a home and home series with three ACC teams rather than a buy out of the remaining three Notre Dame games (perhaps Wake Forest, Virginia Tech and Maryland). The Notre Dame series is probably over, but this could be a positive opportunity if properly managed.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Idaho and New Mexico State? Is this what independence gives us? Heaven help us!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 12, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    I say let's knock off this nonsense and get in a major conference....NOW!!