High school football: Two Jordan players denied eligibility

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  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    if these kids don't go to college it will be disgusting. I don't know why we continue to allow an organization to dictate how sports are run in public schools and make life long decisions that will affect these kids and their future families forever without any member on the board representing the kids. This whole organization is set up for the schools rights without thinking about the kids. This organization even tells kids what church activities they can and can't do. It really comes down to who cares about paper work the kids are registered at school and attending there and they should be allowed to participate in all school activities at that school like any other student.

  • AwesomeOpussum4 West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    I think they should deny full family moves for athletic reasons. If the student-athlete or his family doesn't have proof that it wasn't for athletic reasons then bam...DENIED!

  • letdemplay Logan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    Proud To Be An American, would you really want to stay here in a State that has treated you like that. Oh wait, this is Utah.

  • letdemplay Logan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    i also know about that case and was told that the Judge couldn't care about any allegations of criminal activity and said the kids came here in good faith to be in a better place. He also said UHSAA could be sued as a "state actor" for violating constitutional rights of these kids. Woo hoo about time a judge is holding them accountable and not allowing them to hide behind their sorry excuses that they were private and can't be touched.

  • letdemplay Logan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Really people are you listening to yourselves. Kids who are supposedly good football players transfer from California to Utah for football to get looks from colleges. Are you kidding me??? Really??? Utah is not a mecca of college recruiting. California is one state that is. There are many more colleges that could have offered for these kids if they stayed in Cali if they are that good. And if it was about teams here in Utah where you will get looks, go to Bingham, Alta or Cottonwood.

    Also one of the boys was a National Junior volleyball team member when he lived in California. Utah doesn't even have a boys volleyball team, high school or club. Hope he tries out for a girls volleyball team and see what the UHSAA does...lol

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    I don't think you can make exceptions just because a kid is a Sr. If they would have followed the guidelines that are there for everybody, they probably would have been able to play. But when you forge documents, it puts everything else in question I think. These kids were 50 miles apart from each other, so the hardship because of a bad neighborhood doesn't really hold up. If they wanted to leave and play, they should have done it at the beginning of Summer and got things in the works. I know Jordan thought they had a couple of great kids coming in to be gravy on what's an already pretty tough team. I know it's a hard thing with them being Sr.'s. But they should have looked a little closer at what needed to be done. Again, I think if the documents wouldn't have been forged, the UHSAA may have made a different decision.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    @Gunner - your comment helps. So if an entire family moves, that trumps everything. That makes sense because the Jordan junior QB publicly moved to Lone Peak saying he would never play ahead of the Jordan sophomore QB. Then the Kearns transfers to Bingham was because they did not like the offensive coordinator. So these were both athletic reasons, but if the entire family moves...then UHSAA can't deny their eligibility.

    I would like the UHSAA to have some type of understanding in cases like this. I think in situations like this, when senior players are involved, there should be something like a 5 game suspension...so that the boys can at least play a portion of their senior year. I'm OK with sitting out for a year if its a freshman, sophomore or junior...but not for a senior.

    Even if the adults in this situation did something wrong...their should be someone, even if its an attorney, that should look out for the interests of the boys. In this case....I can't say that UHSAA has the boys interest in mind...they are only thinking about themselves and their own policies.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    To all the adults in education: it's all about the kids, right? sure, we believe you. NOT

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    Couple of issues. The entire family did not move. The 2 cousins moved here to live with an Uncle claiming it was because of a bad neighborhood that they lived in CA. But they 1, did not turn their paperwork in until Aug. 2, when they did turn it in, the Uncle had forged the documents by signing the parents name. I think that in itself is enough to disqualify them. I'm not familiar enough with the Hansen kid's move from AF to LP. But with the kids from Kearns going to Bingham, the parents actually moved their entire family from Kearns to So. Jordan. Secondly, they turned their papers in, in a timely matter, and did not forge the documents.

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    I will bet you that the next move for these boys is to have their mom's stay and they will "move" into the boundaries with their parent to be eligible. Either that or they will be heading home to California within a week.

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:38 a.m.

    BigBenzo88, you bring up some great points. I too would love someone to weigh in. Personally I think they have a case and could win a major law suit. The two things that may have effected this is the late filing of transfer papers and the forged signature.

  • creek35 Richfield, utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:39 a.m.

    Absolutely Stupid if they moved here from Tim buck two does not matter they are a citizen of the the town they live in they go to School there they should have every right to play High School Sports does not matter if they are senior,junior,sophmore,freshman let them play and have fun all of the private schools are allowed to have all there move in students play sports as well as they are allowed to go out and scout for there teams.....

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    This whole case from start to finish still has me confused. First, there are 3 boys who transferred...why is there only mention of these two. Did the third player do something differently than the other two?

    Second...why do the boys need a hardship waiver since they are moving from another state? I thought freshmen and anyone moving from another state did not need waivers and could attend any school they wanted.

    Third...does the UHSAA's and the 3rd District Court's decision prevent them from playing at Jordan or does it prevent them from playing anywhere in Utah? If that is the case...what alternatives do the boys have. If they wanted to salvage any hope of playing football somewhere...where would that be?

    Finally...why is this such a difficult transfer. I have read stories of players transferring for athletic reasons and things went very smoothly. The Jordan QB going to Lone Peak and the multiple players going from Kearns to Bingham all come to mind. What makes this transfer so much different and so much more difficult. If it is simply because of mistakes by adults...then the players should not be punished.