Chicago teachers strike for first time in 25 years

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  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 6:04 a.m.

    @ Fred44

    There is a problem evaluating the performance of an employee and rewarding their efforts accordingly? Those who put forth the extra effort are compensated accordingly. Nothing wrong with that concept. When it comes to our educations system with its pitiful third world achievements some of these teachers need to be fired.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Flying Finn,

    I will try again, this is not about money even though the union basher's want to try and make it that way. This is about how teachers are evaluated. I know the right thinks that any government employee should just do what they are told and be happy to have a job. We all know that anyone can teach, and as Rifleman so eloquently put it, they are just public union employees feeding at the trough. It really amazes me that anyone would teach in this day and age with the great respect they receive from the public.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Teacher evaluations, are a way of shaping teachers into government puppets. Constant evaluations, ensures you're teaching by state mandates.

    Bad teachers are a result of this, and it's great that some are speaking out.

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 6:04 a.m.

    @ Fred44

    The time has come to face reality. In private enterprise when a company is in financial trouble they lay people off and reduce the salaries of those who remain. Should public employees be treated differently?

    If the money isn't there the union mentality is that it isn't their problem. I am guessing that you would like these teachers to be paid for the days they are out on strike.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 3:23 p.m.


    So apparently asking for a pay increase when the boss wants to increase your workday is not appropriate? But union basher's like to muddy the waters with the money, when this battle isn't over money its over the way the teachers will be evaluated. They have in essence agreed to the 16% and the longer work day.

    It is interesting you want to hold the current President to every campaign promise he made, but you want to give the state of Wisconsin a pass on legally negotiated contracts signed by both sides so that a Governor can pander to the far right by giving a tax break to corporations. Interesting set of ethics.

    Based on this comment you made: "Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker got it right when he cut the public union employee umbilical cord to the feeding trough" it is fairly clear that you don't view those who work for the government as people too!

    Oh and remember the hate comes from those on the left, not the right

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah

    The cash-strapped Chicago Public Schools have offered a 16-percent raise over four years to its striking union but the Chicago Teacher Union has requested a 35-percent pay hike and a guaranteed call-back of any educator who was laid off.

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker got it right when he cut the public union employee umbilical cord to the feeding trough.

    Thank goodness Pres. Reagan tied a can on the tail of the PATCO union.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 1:41 p.m.


    Who is asking for special treatment? Shouldn't people be able to negotiate contracts? I would say, I know this probably makes me a liberal, but if corporations are people, so are school teachers.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    Re: JMHO Southern, UT
    "Stability was some want to take it away."

    If we enter another recession or depression teachers will be among the last to lose their jobs. What public unions refuse to understand is that the private sector is tired of supporting union employee retirement benefits that far exceed their own.

    Thank goodness for governors like Scott Walker who understand that going into debt to support public employees is no longer acceptable.

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    To Rifleman:
    None of those people would have traded jobs with Coach P 10 years ago....they were making money hand over fist and couldn't believe anyone would be stupid enough to teach for so little when there were piles of cash to be made. Coach P probably made the choice for stability. Stability was some want to take it away.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    Re: Coach P Provo, UT
    "... so I hope the rest of the conservative bloggers that usually don this blogosphere won't go there on that one.."

    If you have a job consider yourself lucky. There are many people who have lost their jobs recently in my immediate neighborhood that would love to trade you places.

    We are headed towards a major depression and those complaining about their jobs want special treatment?

  • Coach P Provo, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    I'm a teacher and a coach in the public school system. Trust me, with scant raises, nothing more than 1% in the past eight years I don't think I am immune from the recession. And trust me the average salary of a Utah teacher isn't 76K, so I hope the rest of the conservative bloggers that usually don this blogosphere won't go there on that one...

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    Midwest Mom, I am unaware of any public employees getting scammed out of their pensions in Illinois. It isn't like Enron where the employees are left without pensions. You see, the taxpayers are the risk backstop and we get stuck paying for the losses caused by the crooked politicians. No pensioners lost any benefits in Illinois.
    And it isn't like Social Security is any different. The politicians took that pile of money and spent it.
    The public sector needs to dial back their wages and benefits to match the real world. Why should they be immune from the recession?

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    People always comment that the government is going to go bankrupt if they honor their promises made to public employees. However, they fail to remember that during the good times public employees were given promises of future benefits (pensions) in lieu of raises so money in the coffers could be diverted to pet projects.'s time to pay the piper and everyone who danced is angry.

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    Midwest Mom writes "Illinois have been scammed out of their earned retirement benefits"

    Two cities in California recently took out bankruptcy because they were foundering in a sea of red ink trying to support government worker benefits. Public employees ride the gravy train for 20 years and then retire so they can double dip.

    When cities and states are faced with bankruptcy they are forced to do exactly what private enterprise does and lay workers off.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    I am somewhat surprised to see a Democrat calling a strike "unnecessary, avoidable, and wrong".

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin recognizes what labor refuses to admit, and he did something about it.

    In August of 1981 PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization) decided it might be a good idea to conduct an illegal strike. President Reagan warned them to go back to work but they thought he was bluffing. He fired 11,345 of them, and no, the repentant ones were not allowed to come back to work.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Sept. 10, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    Do remember that public employees in Illinois have been scammed out of their earned retirement benefits and they aren't eligible for social security payments, after they retire. The anti-labor attitude in this country will come back to bite all of us.