Suspended game between Jordan and East is still controversial

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  • Muley Ogden, Utah
    Sept. 13, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    I recall a Logan/Ogden game that was called at half time due to lightning. This was when Riley Jensen was a senior. Logan was up 49-0 and that game was recorded as complete. Little did anyone know, Ogden was just getting warmed up. We may never know how it could have turned out. All kidding aside, call the game complete and count the stats and move on. Sure its not what anyone wanted, but things happen.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    The point I'm making about this whole situation is that there has to be personalities in the background that are making this difficult. I mean seriously...I want to know who made the statement, "Well...let's just call it a no win, no loss game...but the kids get to keep their stats." Who would have the foresight to say that???

    I believe both East and Jordan are trying to preserve an undefeated record in hopes of gaining national ranking recognition and I believe Jordan may be trying to preserve single game, single season and career stats for their QB.

  • Bruzzer Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Dear Mr Dustin Is it fair if your team is rank #2 and you let this game count but not win or loss just the stats Call the game if they dont want to replay the final quarter Flip a coin im sure Jordan would go for that

  • TheOfficalCall Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    I officiated a game in 2005 in which Logan was "beating down" Ogden when there was severe weather in the middle of the 3rd qtr. I am sure Logan was declared the winner, and Riley Nelson got to keep his stats of about 5 passing TD's and 1 or 2 more on the ground.

    It this situation Jordon & East, we don't have a clear winner....

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    @jarka-rus - I don't think this game has any impact on winning a championship. The only long term affects of this game would be the counting of stats.

    Counting the outcome and the stats benefits East as a team, hurts Jordan as a team, but benefits certain players from East and Jordan.

    Not counting the outcome or the stats benefits Jordan as a team, hurts East as a team and hurts certain players from East and Jordan

    Not counting the outcome but keeping the stats benefits Jordan as a team, hurts East as a team, but benefits certain players from East and Jordan.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    If either of these teams wins the championship this year, it either should not count or have an asterisk by their trophy.

  • MansGame Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    The need to have an UHSAA rule for this type of event has never been clearer. Jordan fans want a chance to come back from a declining loss which was very evident in the second half and East fans want closure to make sure there is no room to whine about this and that not having been finished.

    Good luck to whatever eventually happens. Count all of it or count none of it.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    This game should be the catalyst for UHSAA to create a stand for situations like this. Game have been in the past and will be in the future stopped for unforseen circumstances. I think games stopped in the first quarter should be replayed completely; games stopped in the 2nd quarter should be continued from where it stopped. Any game stopped during halftime or during the 2nd half should be counted final.

    Now in regards to East/Jordan specifically...I have unnamed sources from Jordan that said they wanted to continue the game at Highland the same night, but East declined. Then Jordan wanted to continue on Saturday, but East declined again. Finally Jordan wanted to continue on Labor Day Monday and East declined again. On each decline, East cited their medical staff as the reason.

    I think after a game has been stopped for more than 24 becomes difficult to finish it. It becomes ridiculous to continue a game after weeks have passed. I mean really....East and Jordan are going to come together to play a quarter after weeks since playing and after they have both played 2 other teams?!?!?

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    G Felt has it exactly right. Precidents, like the numerous that he has cited, are set and refered to, to make these types of decisions, for a reason. They do the same thing in the legal system with Case Law, for a reason. Is there any good reason that this shouldn't be decided same way? Because the fact that the game was hard fought and well played by both teams isn't a good reason. The fact that the medical staff thought it less risky to NOT play the following day CERTAINLY isn't a good reason. The fact is, they simply don't have a legitimate reason NOT to play.

    I just wish they would ask the players from both teams for their opinions, because I bet that, without exception, the players would be ready to set a date and settle the score.

    The fact is, even for you East fans who want to cop-out and pretend like you guys got/deserve the win, without finishing the game we will never know who is truely the better team.

    I want to know.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    Hey Sportsfan, should we just count the stats that pad individual numbers? Do you just pick the stats you want to count? Jordan missed the XP. The score was 28-27. If you add the stats up, that is what you get. Period.

  • BEETS Tooele, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    Jordan got the old bait and switch. They left the game believing it would be replayed only to find out that East didn't want to finish.
    All of you who want East to get the win read the article. I say if they don't want to finish on the 17th then East should forfeit.

  • SportsFan7 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    Jordan wanted to finish the game on Saturday (Sept 1), Monday (Sept 3) and is now proposing Monday (Sept 17). There is no way that Jordan should receive a loss for an incomplete game and I don't see the harm in counting the stats. The stats were earned in one of the hardest fought games played in recent years, why rob them of their rightfully earned stats? East is obviously afraid to get the loss in a COMPLETE game. Having said that, I give East a ton of credit they are a big, physical and athletic team that in 4A I would compare to the 2010 Bingham team. The only 4A team that could beat East is East themselves. In other words if East comes to play nobody in 4A can hang with fact I believe that only 5A Jordan, Alta or Bingham could beat East. I say could because East could also be the best 4A/5A team in the state this year. I have been disappointed in G-Felt's positions on this message board topic but we agree on one thing.....I hope East accepts the challenge and finishes the game on Sept 17th!!!

  • l2eadyornot Palms, CA
    Sept. 9, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    @ Braxton,

    If the game were tied or the other way around, I'd still have to agree with G Felt. Stop coming up with excuses...and find a better kicker! Wide right!

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    I notice that the article states that the game was played on Sept. 2. Why are they playing Utah high school games on Sundays these days? We never played games on Sundays in Oregon, where I grew up.

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 9, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    @ 12 eadyornot,

    That's my point. East will always have bragging rights. They also get to keep stats. If they played the 4 th quarter they would face a potential loss, not saying they would, but there is a chance. Of course they would look for a way to not play. So let's put the blame on his Brother aka medical staff.

  • G Felt Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    In addition to historical precedent in Utah for declaring the winner of a shortened game - see my Felt's Facts Week 4 online article for more - there's more recent NCAA precedence as well.

    From the DNews on Sept. 3, 2011, "Michigan has beaten Western Michigan 34-10 in a game stopped late in the third quarter because of lightning. Both schools agreed to cancel the game with 1:27 left in the third during a second weather delay."

    A similar thing happened with Baylor and Stephen F. Austin last year and with Florida State and Savannah State just yesterday. According to ESPN, "All stats and the final score will count."

    However, instead of arguing about whether or not to count the game and/or stats, I hope East will accept Jordan's proposal to finish the game on Sept. 17. The Leopards would be coming off a game against Woods Cross and preparing for Clearfield while the Beetdiggers would have just played Alta and be prepping for Copper Hills. Certainly, they could manage to play one quarter.

    The game needs to be completed.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 9, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    From the article:
    'But we got in the locker room and (the medical staff from Salt Lake Regional) said, 'Why would you put your kids at risk? It's one thing waiting 45 minutes, but to go overnight with contusions, that would just be stupid. That would be putting your kids at more risk.'"

    As an out-of-stater physician with no vested interest in this I have to ask "WHAT?" Now that is just silly.

    Alo is right.
    If the kids are at increased risk for playing one quarter the next day, then they are at increased risk for playing 4 qtrs instead of 3qtrs and 3 qtrs instead of 2 qtrs. Once a medical official makes such an outrageous statement I can certainly understand why administraative officials would back down for liability reasons. But it smells to me like there is something else going on here, and its not about deciding the outcome of a high school football game fairly through 4 quarters of play. If the game truly is meaningless, then drop the game. I don't think it would hurt to keep the stats. But East should NOT be declared the winner.

  • l2eadyornot Palms, CA
    Sept. 9, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    They have done the math. East 28, Jordan 27. End of story.

  • Alo South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 9, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    My question is about the trainers. If the players were too hurt to play in the morning they were too hurt to play in the 4th qtr that night. The players have as much risk of getting hurt in practice on Monday as they do playing Saturday morning. I feel like we are missing something, was one of the top players hurt or unable to play Saturday?
    With the intensity that these teams practice at 5 days a week, coming back Saturday morning to play one quarter should have been no big deal. Also with both teams carrying so many players, why not use your whole roster to complete a pre season game. Players work way too hard to have such a big game left unfinished. Just pick a night and get it done or treat it as a scrimmage and throw all the stats out as well.

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    I agree with the two options stated. Everyone is so concerned about being fair to the Jordan and East athletes, but is anyone in a decision making position considering how unfair this is for the athletes on the rest of the teams in the state, when they are being compared to the Jordan East athletes without these padded per-game stats? It's ridiculous.

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 9, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    Chris Matich (medical staff). Brandon Matich (East head football coach). You do the math.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    I believe there is a very simple solution to this and it has already been said: 1. Count it as an East win and a Jordan loss and count all stats. 2. Consider this an exhibition scrimmage and do not count the result, nor the score, nor the stats.

    I recognize that in the end...this could disrupt a team's goal to have an undefeated season and could disrupt certain athlete's single-game, single-season and career stats. So end the end, as have to decided which is more beneficial: The record of the team or the value of the stats for individual players! Its that simple.

    If you keep the stats but not the do you calculate the true stats. Do you still count the game in the denominator or calculating stats? At the end of the season are the stats divided by 9 games or 10 games?...because it makes a big difference on per game stats.

    There must be personalities behind the scenes that are somehow making this a difficult decision. Common sense tells you there are only two choices: Count the game and the stats or don't!!!!

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    One of the key reasons that high school sports are so valuable to a young man's upbringing is the ability to teach life lessons along the way. I hate to see one team lose because it was a well played game by both, but guess what? Sometimes in life things just aren't fair. The greed and selfishness portrayed in this situation is unnecessary. You either count the game and the stats, or you throw both of them out. It really is that simple. Yeah both coaches and principals say that they want to play the rest of the game. So here is your news from here on out. You either play the rest of the game or you don't. If you play the rest of the game, then obviously the stats and result will play out. But if you are not going to get this done, then figure out which road you want to go on and get over it.

    If you count the stats with an incomplete game, then East wins 28-27. It really is that simple.

  • Sampson Orem, UT
    Sept. 9, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    I can certainly agree with the wisdom of stopping the game due to the conditions. From that point on, it seems clear that the choices given would be to count the game as the score indicated (along with the stats) or to not count either.

    Who gains from counting the stats? What's the advantage of doing that? Personal attention. Some may argue that the collegiate futures could be effected negatively if the stats were to be thrown out. Then count the game. Would a loss have such a negative impact? It wouldn't effect region standings or playoff seedings.

    Just as there is no need to reschedule the game and finish, there is no need to keep the stats.