Feds tell states how to manage sage grouse

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Mountain men didn't used to be afraid of wolves.
    “All we are doing in trying to protect our elk herds is feeding the wolves”.

    So what you are really mad at, like sorrytowakeyou, is you think your in competition with
    nature which you feel should be to your advantage because of your divine destiny.

    Why do you guys want the feds to stick up for "PEOPLE" who seem oblivious to their destruction
    of habitat and wildlife.

    Sept. 3, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    @mountain man
    So then no you have nothing but you antidotal evidence to support your claims. You will excuse me if I continue to base may thoughts and arguments based on the science by the"experts" that actually go out into the field and study the wolfs and their effects n the environment and not your kitchen table hypothesis.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    @ Phranc. A wolf “expert’ living in Utah (or anywhere else) that has never seen a wolf in the wild, has an opinion as useful as an entomologist that never observed an insect! One biologist at the Idaho Fish and Game Dept, frustrated with the continual decline of Idaho’s elk population to wolves said, “ All we are doing in trying to protect our elk herds is feeding the wolves”. I suppose he got into hot water for telling the truth but those of us that have actually SEEN wolves in the wild and WITNESSED the destruction they cause, know he is telling the truth. But you can go on believing whatever you want!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 3, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Utah's environmental motto: Multiply, multiply and pillage the earth.

    Sept. 3, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    @mountain man
    Again with the claims do you have anything other then the one very biased sight your quoted last time to support our claims?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 3, 2012 5:43 a.m.

    Phranc. Real biologists at game departments of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana all disagree with you! The reason is we have to live with and feed the federal government’s wolves and you don’t. That’s the difference!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 3, 2012 12:11 a.m.

    Good grief... the federal government is giving some guidelines so that the bird doesn't end up on the endangered species list, in cooperation with one of the most western and conservative of all states, and you all still find fault in it. It just proves that even when the two, state and federal, work hand in hand, you still aren't happy.

    sorrytowakeyou - you are the very reason why we have to have these silly rules. There is a huge difference between natural extinction and man made extinction. Man almost over whaled the planet, and it is only because someone stepped in and said stop that greedy selfish men didn't wipe them out. And amazingly, without whale oil, we still figured out better ways of gathering energy.

    The problem is not that the government thinks people are more important than a bird, it is that people think making easy money so they can pimp their 4x4 is more important than future generations enjoying the same world we got to enjoy. It is called selfishness.... who cares what our kids get to do... I got mine - mentality.

    Sept. 2, 2012 11:16 p.m.


    the wolf reintroduction was an astounding success a point that has created great bitterness from people like you that could provide no credible evidence of their harm before and since their reintroduction.

  • sorrytowakeyou Heber City, UT
    Sept. 2, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    I live in Sage Grouse habitat and I'm so sick and tired of my livelihood being threatened by a stupid bird, that I am going to start shooting every one of them that I see. The federal government needs to back off and start treating humans as being more important than a bird.

    99.9% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. Just because the arrogant federal government and the endangered species act are here now, doesn't mean they can stop all species from becoming extinct. This is an effort by the federal government to control every aspect of human activity, mark my words.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Sept. 2, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    More silly nonsense from environmentalists. The grouse is far from endangered. It ranges throughout the west and Canada--how can that be endangered? The bird is even widely hunted. Let's get real here, stop wasting tax dollars, time and government resources on this silly, false issue.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 2, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    The feds mandating to the states how to manage the state’s wildlife is a recipe for disaster! I give you the feds wolf reintroduction program as a prime example!