big cougYou bring Cowherd into the conversation? He is the biggest
USC, Cowboys and Yankees homer there is (and I'm a Cowboys fan). There are
no other teams besides those three in his mind. Check out DP if you want
unbiased opinions on sports, you might get beyond much of the propaganda that is
ESPN.That being said, I hope that USC takes the Utes lightly like
Rusillo, because they will get stung. Go Utes! One more day til kick
Hedgehog,I know I said my previous comment was my last; however, I
had to verify my comment about "reported". Will you accept ESPN has a
reliable source? Again can't give it because of a "non-wrapping long
line"! Just google 2011 preseason all american football team. Go to the
ESPN list - select OT (offensive tackle!) There is Mr. Reynolds and here is the
quote,"Reynolds made the Outland and Lombardi Award watch lists and COULD
END UP A FIRST ROUND NFL PICK"P.S. I don't care if you
"don't recall" Reynolds being on the 2011 preseason All American
list I cited. Look them up! It's a fact! But don't let that change
I just have to say that I love seeing the hate from the Y fans. The negative
comments about Shelby and Whitt's development of players are especially
ludicrous. I mean, the Utes currently have 26 active players in the NFL
including Shelby. The Cougars have only 13. So regardless of whether the
Ute's players are getting drafted or not, there is no arguing the fact that
Whitt does a better job than Roscoe at getting his players into the NFL.
HedgehogFrustration. First question did you google 2011 preseason
college football all american?Assuming you did not let me walk you
through a couple web sites - I could not do this as the 3 I tried was "not
saved" because of a "non wrapping line"! - Just google it!Second - Any injuries that Mr. Reynolds had early in college did not appear to
affect his (preseason) first team all american selection on ESPN, CBS, NBC
Bleacher report, others?Third - One year later I could not find any
preseason draft projections for 2011. Does "reported" apply only to
news services? Could I report something? Could any cougar fan posting
projected draft status be considered "reporting"? Fourth -
The fact I could not find any preseason draft projections for 2011 does not
preclude Reynolds having been projected in the first round. Indeed, it is not
too much of a stretch to believe a first round offensive tackle all american by
a number of sources would be projected first round.Fifth - it's
unfortunate you've played the "injury" card so early.(This will be my last response - it is difficult to convince anyone who cannot
gooble a reference.)
Makes one wonder why utah isn't ranked #1. I bet if you took a poll in slc
they would be #1.
Grind their bones to make our bread!GO UTES!!!
@BigCougarLee is a 1 rounder? Not according to some in SI. Simple
fact is take out Barkley and USC is not a NC contender. As far as
Utah's defense, let me see take your haterade opinion or:"At nose tackle, senior Star Lotulelei is the nation's best... Depth
looks good across the line." -- Mike Huguenin (Yahoo Sports)If
the defense line was as bad as you think then one would think even BYU could
have figured out how to run the ball AWAY from Star. BYU only
gained 11 rushing yards, the other 12 teams 1168 rush yards, which makes
Utah's rush defense #7 in the nation. That's probably why many think
the DL is one of the best in the nation.Go UTES!!
@whoamisir?I believe you had made the claim that it was
"reports" made this time a year ago of Reynolds being a 1st round pick,
not "Cougar postings". He was a 1st team freshman All-American before
all of his injuries but I don't recall his making any of the pre-season
All-American 1st teams entering his senior year (Phil Steele, SI, SN, AP, ESPN,
etc) but he was "reported" on several 2nd team lists.When
you check out the NFL draft projections for OT's at this time last year
they had Matt buried somewhere around the middle to high teens at his position
and going possibly at the very end of the draft (somewhere after the 5th or 6th
round). I haven't seen one yet that reported he'd go in the 1st round.
Again I didn't see him reported as a potential 1st round pick this time
last year by Phil Steele, SI, SN, CBSsports.com, ESPN, NFLDraftScout.com, etc.
Jenny,You really make me laugh. Ernest T. Bass is a ute and he is
making fun of BYU!
BigCougar:"As for Shelby, I've heard for years from ute
fans how amazing Shelby was (*cough* overrated) and that he was going to be a
1st day draft pick in the NFL."You didn't hear that from
us. You just made that up. Another strawman argument for the Indy-WACey, 54-10
losing fans that have no darts to throw."Where was all that
super-duper genius player development getting him ready to be drafted that we
always hear about?"Shelby was a 2-star recruit -- and now
he's playing in the NFL. So, it's right there in front of your nose.
Joe and Dave were 3- and 4-star recruits. So they STARTED with more potential.
And with both the eldest Kruger and Shelby in the NFL, prospects are looking
good that we'll soon find Dave and Joe there as well.
@uteology"Though I think Utah's D-line is definitely a good one,
it's really Star that makes it so good. If you took him out of the equation
and put an average guy in his place, how truly good is this line?As
good as USC's offense without Barkley. Star athletes make others around
them better."Big difference is that USC WR's Woods and Lee
are 1st rounders on their own whether Barkley is throwing to them or the back up
is. Take Star out of the Utah DL and the Krugers, etc all become subpar Pac12
lineman. With Star drawing double and triple teams from opposing OL's the
Krugers, etc have only managed to be average. They'd drown w/o him in
The collective insecurity shown by the byu fanbase where UTAH Football is
concerned is absolutely priceless.54-10.
I'm not a Ute fan...oops...but I played high school ball with Star at
Bingham. He's a good kid. I like him. I wish him the and the Utes the best
@motorbikeThough I think Utah's D-line is definitely a good
one, it's really Star that makes it so good. If you took him out of the
equation and put an average guy in his place, how truly good is this line?-----------As good as USC's offense without Barkley.
That's why they are both are projected to be top 10 NFL talent. Star
athletes make others around them better. You need role players on every team.
But I think Fakahafua has the potential to be great.
So many haters on here. Ducky, Bigcoug, JTX (whatever) What
difference does it make if Shelby was drafted? How does that related to this
lines skill? You will see just how good this line is when it holds you to under
100 yds rushing in Sept.Jtx. 7-5??? Why even say that. I wish we
could place a bet on that, so you could back out or eat your words. If there is nothing to look forward to as a BYU fan, or nothing to brag about,
just keep quiet.
HedgehogI'm not certain I can find all the cougar postings
about Reynolds being a first rand draft projection; however, as he was a
projected first team all-american by NBC sports, CBS sports, ESPN, National
Champs and 2nd team by Phil Stee3e (to name a few -look them up under 2011
preseason all American) I feel this supports my claim that he was projected
first round by at least some Y Cougar fans. (Remember - one Y fan projected
NINE (9) cougars would be drafted and do you think he left off Reynolds, or had
him low on his list of cougars to be drafted?) Glad you asked me to
support my statement!
Hedgehog and BigCougar, one of the consequences of the new collective bargaining
agreement is that players with serious injury histories have a better chance at
proving themselves as undrafted free agents than they have at being drafted at
their projected levels. Another case in point for this is Chris Polk.
BigCougar & Hegdehop ...Do you both know how ridiculous you
sound? Trying to minimize how good a guy is that is about to crack an NFL roster
only does one thing, it exposes you for being completely non-objective when
discussing Utah football.And by the way, most teams in the NFL would
be pretty happy to have had the dolphin's defense the past several years,
it's the offense that has been absolutely horrific ... more specifically
the QB position which John Beck had a nice hand in.
Duck is simply a jealous fool. He wants what all BYU fans want: A conference. If
for some chance the Pac 12 changed their mind about BYU, his jealous rants would
calm down regarding the conference. I for one want BYU in a conference.
@papa"That is why Shelby is on the 2 deep right now for the Dolphins.
He never really played all that well. Especially to get drafted in the
NFL."Yeah, and the 'Fins stink. They've been to the
playoffs once in the past 11 yrs. They'll take anyone with a pulse and half
a brain. The bigger question is why couldn't Shelby get drafted? Isn't
that Kyle's specialty? Getting guys developed so they can be drafted?
@whoamisir?"reported to be first round draft picks(But then again so
was Reynolds this time last year)"Try 2 or 3 yrs ago maybe
before all of his injuries but I'd like to see you prove you're not
full of malarkey by providing a link to a report this time last year that
Reynolds was being projected as a 1st round pick.
@utahcountyute"Whether they are the best in the Nation, that has to
come out later in monumental tilts with USC and the rest of the PAC"I was listening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio this morning and he had
Ryan Russillo on and they were talking about the best teams this coming season
in College football and Utah was in the conversation. Colin said the Utah game
could be a good 1st test of how good USC will be this year. Russillo said,
"Utah?!? I mean....c'mon! We're talking Utah?!? Utah?!?"So apparently while the tilt with USC is definitely monumental for Utah,
on a national level it sounds like it's debatable as to whether or not its
monumental for USC. But as for the rest of the Pac12, they're all sort of
mediocre so I'm not sure what that will really tell you about your team
except....they're mediocre too? (unless of course you run the table).
That's the curse of having the weakest schedule of anyone in the Pac12.
Makes it tough for you to prove yourself. Remember 2-10 Colorado last year?
Ducky,At last wa agree on something. Well almost - not certain
about WR's in the PAC-12. USC's are reported to be first round draft
picks (But then again so was Reynolds this time last year) So I think kmost
would agree with me ours are the second best in the PAc-12. Other than that you
are "spot on" in your evaluations.
Hedgehog,That is why Shelby is on the 2 deep right now for the
Dolphins. He never really played all that well. Especially to get drafted in the
Erbest T. Bass - What you just said is just as silly as your name. First of all
Utah's "Star" is projected to be the #1 Defensive lineman in the
country and might has a good chance of being the #1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL
draft. You are looking at this purely through blue glasses. I'm looking at
it from logic and fact.
I disagree with duckhunter. They aren't the best anything. byu o-line will
donimate these guys. Look for huge running yards from are backs.
@xert"A good defensive line that keeps reloading is like a fine fois
gras"But a fine fois gras shouldn't (*burrrrrrrrp*) keep
reloading on you. ;)
@Wally West & StGtoSLC"Intesting tidbit... Shelby may make the
Dolphins 53 man roster as an UDFA. He'd be the 4th Ute on the Miami
D."And with all of that Utah defensive talent on the Dolphins
they've managed to make the playoffs once in the past 10 yrs. Interesting
tidbit....As for Shelby, I've heard for years from ute fans how
amazing Shelby was (*cough* overrated) and that he was going to be a 1st day
draft pick in the NFL. I was shocked to find out that he wasn't even
drafted! Where was all that super-duper genius player development getting him
ready to be drafted that we always hear about? Maybe Kyle should've
switched him to another position then he would've been amazing and gotten
drafted.Even the Pac12 drank the Shelby Koolaid last season when
they made him All-Conference. I wonder how many 1st team All-Conference
DL's in the Pac12 don't get drafted from y2y? If the conference
can't even get a 1st team all conf DL drafted, maybe the conference itself
is overrated? That sounds like Conference-USA stuff.
re StGtoSLC 9:42 a.m. Aug. 28, 2012Intesting tidbit... Shelby may
make the Dolphins 53 man roster as an UDFA. He'd be the 4th Ute on the
J-TX ........The offense is poised to be very powerful this year for the Utes.
There are 3 very solid running backs, a host of amazing receivers, and if Wynn
can stay healthy we will be in business. If Wynn doesn't stay healthy, we
always have Wilson, who is going to be the future of Ute football.
Let's see how a position group plays before we start the accolades.
I'm going to agree with several of the BYU fans on this one. Though I think Utah's D-line is definitely a good one, it's really
Star that makes it so good. If you took him out of the equation and put an
average guy in his place, how truly good is this line?
SammyYou missed it. The parade was at the airport in Provo after the
cougs beat Oklahoma in the 2009 season opener. Of course we all know what
happened a couple weeks later when the cougs lost to a less than stellar FSU
team at home 28-54. doh!
"Also, we keep hearing about Nate having all this "potential",
it's got the familiar ring of what we heard about regarding Derrick Shelby
for years (which never really developed)."Shelby was first-team
all-conference his first year in the Pac-12, was a Walter Camp national player
of the week, and is playing in the NFL now. What higher expectations did you
Wow, the byU "fans" are all on edge with this article. amusingThis group is great, there is no doubt about it. Whether they are the best in
the Nation, that has to come out later in monumental tilts with USC and the rest
of the PAC. If this group can keep the Trojans to less than 20 (which they
really did last year) and the Offense can be average to good, this will be a
special year.Can't wait...Go Utes!
Star is a special player. After him the line is unproven, smallish and
pedestrian. Trevor Reilly is a very good OLB but taking on 300 lb gorillas at
only 245lbs will be a monumental task (I predict he plays mostly at OLB). The Krugers haven't lived up to their brother's expectations
and have only been average DLs with the benefit added of Star getting double
& triple teamed & constantly drawing so much attention.Also,
we keep hearing about Nate having all this "potential", it's got
the familiar ring of what we heard about regarding Derrick Shelby for years
(which never really developed).This group looks like it's one
injury (Star) away from being a small, ordinary to below average group.
Duck Hunter: I appreciate the sarcasm.With the trouble we all know
the offense is in, the D better show up. But don't think you
smell roses. USC will beat down Utah, and Oregon will beat USC.With
the improved D, Utah may end up 7-5.
It all starts up front, and this is an extremely talented group. Can't wait
for the season to start. Any thing less than 9-3 would be dissapointing;
especially with so much coming back from last year. Duck Hunter,Every team has the best line, the best WR, the best RB's at this
point of the season. Didn't you get the memo?
I'm whiffing some hint of roses, a parade and a side trip to Disneyland!
Where is NC Utes 2010 part II when we need her?
This is an exciting year for my alma-mater. I wish you well Utes. Pleeeez show
up for every down. Every player must do this. I cannot wait for the
'W' column to increment every week of the season. Keep them humble
hungry and focused Kyle. GO UTES!!!
The D-line will be key--and that is an understatement.Attack on the
opposite QB is important.Stop the run is important.Overall,
defense will need to show up every game like theydid last year.
We allowed 19 points per game last year, with an inept offense. With this defense if we can get our offense to play at 75% level then this
could be special year. Could this be BCS year like 04 and 08? Way too early to
tell but I think 10-2 is achievable. One game at a time, first up, Northern
Colorado. I expect our defense to dominate 48-3! Go UTES!!
Let's see....best group of wr's in the pac12, best defensive line in
the entire nation, best rb in the pac12, best qb situation in the state, best
defensive backs in the pac12, best coaching staff in the country, best, best,
best. I just don't see how this team can ever lose.
I remember in the Jim Fassell and Chuck Stobart days when we couldn't stop
anyone from scoring. Good athletes, but never came together as a defensive unit.
What a luxury it's been since the days of Luther Ellis. A good defensive
line that keeps reloading is like a fine fois gras. It becomes more appreciated
with every Ritz cracker it embellishes with it's goose liver exploding
Great line, one of the best we've had, but 2004 was probably a little
stronger. I think I had heard that 4 of the first 5 guys in the rotation had a
bench of 450+. Still some serious talent on this team, though.
More excited for he game against Utah State next week. Good luck Utah.
Wow! This is like an NFL team. Go utes! Beat Northern Colorado.
This is as strong of a defensive group as I've ever seen at the U, and
I've been following them for a long time. Fakahafua basically
single-handedly led Highland to the state championship 2 years ago; the Kruger
brothers are clones of their older brother who is now in the NFL; Reilly has
already been a PAC 12 player of the week for destroying BYU; and
Lotulelei---already voted the best defensive lineman by his PAC 12 opposing
offensive linemen. It's all shaping up to be a great year, starting with
this stud group. Can't wait for Thursday.Go Utes!!!