Prep football: Hawks turn back Miners' bid

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  • HSFAN Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    ProudBigBrother. Give it up...markymark is just defending his son. If they had debate team and chess team comment boards, I would get on to defend my son as well.

    After all markymark is pushing the hype. Just look at the Bingham Miners Season Preview 2012 comments. He said "A ton of there reads have the TE as the first target. I guess if they don't get open just blame the system. This kid makes holt look like a little leaguer." Austin Holt plays for BYU and is pretty good. Saying a HS kids makes him look like a little leaguer is hype.

    By the way, my son makes Bobby Fischer look like he is just learning to play chess.

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    Okay, so he didn't tell the QB he couldn't see. And I'm fairly sure, without any personal knowledge to back it up, that a school as large and talented as Bingham could manage to produce a backup TE who could perform better as a backup than a blind starter. He missed some balls! It's okay! Everyone does! I'm sure he'll still have a great season.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    I was giving you some the info that was going on, one of my best friends is a coach at bingham and thats what he told me. I have never met the shultz kid, I just think its funny how people blast a kid and call him all hype when they don't really know whats going on. I'm sure that him at 50% is better than the back up. That is probably why they left him in. When you call a play all 4 guys go out in a route. I guess its there fault that alta left the tight end wide open. Lucky for alta they did. The plays don't work if you keep the TE in to block. But I'm explaining myself to guys that think Bingham ran the same play on the whole drive at the end too.

  • ProudBigBrother NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    I agree with Bench. IF (and that's a big if, because I was at the game, and have since watched it on TV, and there is no sign of him wincing or squinting on a close up in the second quarter after making a reception) the #9 TE got poked in the eye, then the coaches shouldn't be calling plays for him. Unless, of course, he wasn't able to see and didn't tell the coaches, which would be an ego thing for him, putting his own desire to make plays in a big game before the good of the team.
    I think it's more likely that he had a bad game. It happens, even to players with their choice of D1 schools. I'm sure he's a good player, but several of those throws that he missed hit him in the hands and were well placed by the QB. My brother had a bad game, too, which would have been much harder to swollow if his team had lost. But they didn't. Go Hawks!

  • Bench Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    If the Bingham TE was poked in the eye and could not see the ball, why would the coaches leave him in the game? Maybe for blocking, but why throw to him. If you can only see out of one eye, it really messes with the depth perception. Poor coaching if they left him in. They have 80 kids on the sidelines, I am sure someone could have gone in.

  • HSFAN Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    markymark--My son has a full ride debate scholarship to ITT Tech!.... dude relax, no one is ripping on your son or nephew or close friend. No one would take something that was not meant to be personal, so personally.... .well unless they are related. I am glad he gets to choose whatever school he wants to go on a full ride. That is so cool. Once again, good luck to your brother/son/nephew/cousin.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    HSFAN, I can only hope that my son is as good as this kid and get to choose whatever school he wants to go to on a full ride. I had to walk on and earn my scholarship at the U, not the easiest way. But my oldest is only 5 so i have a long way to wait for that. How is your boy doing on the debate team?

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Bottom line with the Miners is they really need to solve the issue at QB and quickly. That whole rotating QB's every play is not a formula for success, just as BYU. They either need to stay with Stout and work on his decision making when throwing the ball, or go with Bowles and alter the offense to allow him to run, which is what he does best. But do one or the other. This isn't 3 years ago when you had Cantwell that could come in and run and pick up the first downs every so often. Neither have that type of talent. Pick one and stick with him.

  • HSFAN Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    markymark.... sorry, I was not really trying to 'judge' the Bingham TE. I was just trying to see if something was wrong. Apparently there was something wrong. I did not mean to offend your son like that. I am sure he is a great kid. I wish him luck.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Also Bingham was trying to let the kid score at the end so they could get the ball back with a chance to score and get the 2 point conv for the tie. Smart play by the alta kid to down it at the 1.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    The Bingham TE got poked in the eye on the 3rd play and could only see out of one eye the rest of the game. Don't be so quick to judge when you have no idea whats going on on the field. He is everything that people are saying and more.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    football and wrestling. Bingham was trying to let Alta score. That way they could get the ball back. The Packers did it against the Broncos in the Super Bowl back when Elway was playing. Giving up a TD was better than letting Alta run out the clock. The Alta coaches and/or player was smart enough to not score. Had Bingham made the extra pt, I doubt Alta would have taken a risk by throwing down field. The farthest pass the Alta kid threw was picked off. The stats were pretty much the same in rushing. Bingham have a few more yards. Alta had a few more yards passing. On paper it looks like equal teams, but from my observation, Alta is the better team.... at least now. It could change if Bingham gets everyone on the field.

  • football and wrestling over there, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    Im not sure it would have went into OT if the PAT wasent muffed. I thought Alta could of scored in the end if they wanted to. The reciever kneeled on the goal line and there was a pentalty I know but Alta still had time and only would of needed a field goal. Im a SE Utah guy and follow small school ball but watched this one on TV. Great game but thought the better team won.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Really? How is Fremont doing this year? You should heed your own advice when your team is 0-2 and has been outscored 80-12. Taking the game into your own hands means taking a knee to run out the clock? Okay, but like I said neither team owned or dominated the other. Came down to one muffed snap at the end. Who knows what would have happened in OT.

  • Fremontkid OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 12:15 p.m.


    Funny how you had to post twice to try and fix your teams loss but it won't help. By the end of the game it came down to who could take the game into their hands. That was Alta. Enough said but don't be worried I am sure you'll be able to have a rematch the way both teams are playing this year.I like your school spirit but please be classy about your loss.

    Your Friendly Neighborhood Fremontkid

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    Prep Fanatic
    Watch the game again. I have watched every play, and Alta did NOT march up and down the field at will. Bingham's D owned Alta when it came to the red zone. Just ask Lucero how many times he got hit... hard. Throwing tons of 5 yd passes to 6' 6" WR's will pad anyones stats.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    Neither team "dominated" 17-16 is hardly dominating, when the only reason it didn't go into OT was a muffed extra point. Bingham's D without their best lineman in Lotulelei still stuffed Alta in the red zone multiple times. Yes they gave up a few big plays but stepped up when it counted. Bingham and Alta both have issues at QB, with #7 and #17 for Alta any QB would look good. How many passes did Lucero throw past 10 yds? that were completed? Not one pass thrown to Cantwell is very distressing to Bingham fans. The TE is proving to be all hype. He looks scared to get hit. Weichers is a great talent but can't do it all. Unless Bingham finds offensive identity they will not get out of the first round of the playoffs again this year.

  • HSFAN Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    Pretty good game. Alta was better, but I do think with Lotulelei back next week, they will be much better. As far as offense, I knew Hicks was out, not sure about others. Even just adding Hicks, maybe the Bingham QBs would have had time. They Alta front 7 was great and did a great job and #7 was seeing pressure all night. The other QB #11 was effective when he got in open space, but I think only as a runner. I know Bingham has a couple of great WRs, and the Alta Defense which had NO starters did awesome. Kind of funny how teams now make such a big deal about 'Returning Starters'.

    Even with the missing Bingham players, Alta might have enough to beat them again if they meet in the playoffs. Those first year Alta starters will improve as the year goes on. By the way, what is with the TE for Bingham? He dropped several balls. I heard someone say he was the best Bingham TE ever. Handley for Alta was awesome. This was the first time I had seen him play.

  • ucepower1 St. George, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Neither of these to teams would be Pine View this year.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    And yes I know that a couple of these coaches were on staff the last time that alta won it. But not in the same role there in now.

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    I don't need a comeback, its August. Im still waiting for anyone on this team to make it out of the first round. Coaches included.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 7:16 p.m.

    UTEFAN12 I totally agree. That was probably the most penalty laden first half ive ever seen between these two teams. Thanks for the clarification on that rule. I still think it's a dumb one lol. I expect the game in november to be much cleaner but just as intense.
    As much as it kills me inside to say it I think this could be the year of,the diggers,from jtown.

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Absolutely Alta was the better team on the field last night. I think things will be much different when Bingham gets the top defensive recruit in the state back next week. And when they get back possibly the best O lineman in the state back from injury. So for the teams on the field last night, Alta was the better team. Luckily it's just pre season and the Miners will have more talent coming back to make for a possibly different outcome come November. Always a fun game.

  • UTEFAN12 Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Hey The Hawk, I thought it was a great game from a neutral fans perspective. The coaches will clean things up and both teams will improve. Just to clear something up. On the failed Bingham PAT, as soon as the defense touches the ball, the play is over. I think this is just a little preview of the fireworks that will happen in November. This is the best time of the year!

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    Thats your comeback

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    I guess you can look at it however you want, I could reel off 50 stupid mistakes that Bingham made. But we will see in november when Bingham is healthy.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Bingham lost to a better team. Two missed field goals,a touchdown called back,and blowing a td run dead off a failed bingham pat... Thats 20 points for alta right there not to mention bingham getting gifted another posession from roughing the kicker. If anything bingham had chance after chance and couldnt close the deal

  • Prep Fanatic Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 26, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    @ markymark

    I don't know what game you were watching last night, but Alta owned Bingham last night in every statistic. The score board was not a true representation of the game that was played. Alta nearly again beat itself, with stupid penalties and turnovers at very unoportune times. Alta was able to march up and down the field at will, but when it came time to punch it in the endzone, they either committed a penalty, or made stupid descisions and turned the ball over to Bingham. Bingham on the other hand only really had two great sustainable drives all night. First was just before the half when they marched all the way down the field and scored right before half time. Second was when #11 orchestrated a tremndous drive in the fourth quarter, that ened up with Bingham scoring their second touchdown. Other than those two drives, Alta's defense pretty much kept the Miners offense in check for the entire night. The score could have easliy been 17-3 or 24-3 at the half, and probably should have been, for the Hawks.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 26, 2012 1:10 a.m.


    BHS, class of 82

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    Wow Bingham shot itself in the foot time after time. I thought Bingham played horrible and still should have won. I heard Bingham had something like 8 starters out with injury. Your welcome alta, Bingham beat Bingham in that one.