No punishment for Bingham, Woods Cross after emotional hearing determines transferred Kearns players ruled eligible to play

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  • my point of view south jordan, ut
    Aug. 22, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    No sour grapes here. As stated previously, in my first post, I have NO high school age children, haven't for years. I only know what I see going on all around me. I have no ax to grind, or dog in the fight. Just hate to see a system abused and to see it consistently allowed.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    To me it sounds like all of the people who are mad about this are JEALOUS.... why not move to a better educated school? a safer neighborhood? a better chance to be seen by college coaches? Lets face it, you would take your kids to a school like Bingham if you had the chance. This has nothing to do with recruiting. Bingham past speaks for itself

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    All I see proven is a bunch of sour grapes over having your kid beat out by a better player.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Aug. 20, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    At least down in the slc area, the players move or make an attempt to hide their intentions. In Cache Valley the kids just go to the school they want to play for, without moving. The WFFL has better enforced guidelines than the UHSAA. What a joke.......

  • my point of view south jordan, ut
    Aug. 20, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Gunner: Thank you for proving my point. The fact that you know "exactly who they are referring to" about the rental/landlord comments, confirms that it is common knowledge and blatantly being done. Keep telling yourself and everyone else that it's not happening. We will see if you feel differently when your boys reach high school age and these "transfers" start to effect them. Pretty sure your rose colored glasses won't be so rosy. My glasses are crystal clear, cheating is cheating, plain and simple!

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Aug. 17, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    @Gunner - When I say open enrollment will increase the National Strength of Utah...I'm talking about on the field...not on "paper"!!! Sure...the Bingham teams of 2009 and 2010 were both ranked in the Top 10 nationally on "paper". However, on the field, it wasn't the same story. Trinity killed Bingham and yet Bingham went on to win state. In 2010 Bingham went undefeated, but only played Utah teams and was crowned the best team in the history of Utah and got a national ranking somewhere in the Top 10. Bingham did not play any nationally ranked teams and I could find 25 teams throughout the nation that would have killed I'm not sure how they got that ranking.

    My point is this: The 2010 Bingham team had an something like 12 D-I signees!!! In 4 decades of following HS football, I have never seen a public school with that many. Imagine if those 12 players were spread out between 5 or 6 teams??? It would create competition instead of a monopoly.

    If open enrollment ends, you will see several strong Utah teams instead of one "paper" champ.

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    BigBenzo, We'll see an increase in National strength of Utah football if we get rid of open enrollment? Uh, have you watched the past 5 years of football here in Utah? Utah has never had as many teams as it's had in the top 100 these past 5 years or so. Bingham finished I think 4th 2 years ago. So that argument goes out the door. Because when I played when there was no open enrollment here in Utah, we never came close to having a top 10 nationally ranked team. And as for the comments on the "common landlord" That same garbage has been said the past 10 years, and it's never ever proved, always somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that knows who it is. Do we really think after that long we &wouldn't have had something come out on it? I know exactly who they are referring to, and know them very well. And it's pure nonsense!

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    So much for integrity - one man's "word" vs another. What do kids learn from this . . . that you can say what you want and that it doesn't matter what "means" you have to go to get what "ends" you want.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2012 3:02 a.m.

    Is it that big of a deal if a kids is transferring because he might be more likely to be looked at by colleges? I understand we want to be fair to all the kids and that high schools are about education, but they are also about helping kids get to college. I'm more opposed to the importance we give to sports than kids taking advantage of the situation -- and that's coming from big sports fan who probably puts too much importance on sports in general.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Aug. 16, 2012 12:20 a.m.

    I am a strong opponent against Utah's open enrollment policy. I firmly believe that a student-athlete should go to the school based on the boundaries of the house they live in.

    @my point of view mentioned "renters" at Bingham. I don't have a major problem with this...other than if parents are so caught up in football enough to move their entire family, so a son can play at a certain school, then the parents are doing a huge disservice to their son and their family. The one thing that did catch my attention was the fact that you mentioned a "common" landlord and multiple "renters" all having a son on the football team. This would be cause for concern because it would display evidence of a conspiracy by either the head coach or by someone close to Bingham. This is something that should be reported and investigated by UHSAA.

    Open enrollment and recruiting conspiracies decreases competition among schools and therefore lowers the strength of Utah football as a whole. I believe once open enrollment is will see a rise in the national strength of Utah football!!!

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    I was at the hearing and there wasn't any proof. They said what they thought happened but they had no real proof. If there was any evidence at all they would have mad the kids sit out. Of course there coach said there was evidence, if you show up and don't have something to say they will laugh you out of the room. Bottom line is that the Kearns Coach did the right thing for his program to show everyone that he wants to keep everyone and will fight for it. If he doesn't then pretty soon he will be t-ville. Also I want to point out that none of these kids will be starting on friday night, one of them will be rotating at full back. They all started at kearns last year. If football was the only reason the parents left then they would be throwing a fit at Bingham right now because there kids aren't getting what they promised. Dave peck made that clear in the hearing to point out that none of the kids are even starting.

    Aug. 15, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    its too bad that these young men are getting picked on what else would it be 5 kids in one hearing ? some very different reasons for leaving the one that sticks with me is about the boys who was assaulted at kearns high and had his jaw broken , wow if that isn't reason enough for that mother to pack up her family I sure don't know what is , we have no right to question that , what a horrible time that family must have gone through , I am a grief counselor and after something like that happens, people can go through a lot of stress and anxiety , if the boy who assaulted him went to the same school or a school close by the event that the young man would run into him would be very likely, its to bad there wasn't more understanding and support for this young man im sure he needed it and if the family chose to move I don't think any of us have room to question . it is good for him to have a second chance somewhere new most times the place the assault occurred brings back memories of the assault.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    The uhsaa should not be afraid to enforce their own rules. The article said there was evidence of recruiting and so the undue influence rules should apply.

  • my point of view south jordan, ut
    Aug. 15, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    To USAlover: In response to your reasons why families move, did these families actually purchase a home in the new boundaries, or are they "renting"? Normally that wouldn't matter at all, but in regards to Bingham, it is common knowledge that there are plenty of "renters" who have moved into the boundaries in recent years, all with the same "landlord" in common. It also must be a HUGE coincidence that these families all happen to have football player sons. Just saying it's very blatant, yet continues happening. Anyone affiliated with Bingham knows exactly what I'm speaking of. It is very sad for the kids who have lived in the boundaries their whole lives, played in the feeder program, supported the high school program with their whole heart and souls, only to be replaced by these transfers when it's time to play in high school. And before you say I'm a disgruntled parent, no I'm not, don't even have a child in high school, just a football fan who has sat back and watched it all unfold. Botton line, "open enrollment" is a joke. It's a transfer for athletics, plain and simple.

  • Kearns Fan Dallas, Texas
    Aug. 15, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    Continued-Those of you who want to see how the system should work google an Oklahoma/Texas ruling by the Texas UIL in 2010. A highly recruited quarterback, Daxx Garman, moved to Southlake Texas strictly for atletic reasons (their players are highly recruited by major colleges) & was not allowed to play his senior year. His family appealed the decision & lost. No one is allowed to transfer for athletic reasons! They rented a house in Southlake but that did not show the true intent-the investigation did! The UIL enforced their rules! I have read about all your coaching changes & I have to believe that if there was more support for the coaches & you actually had rules in place to prohibit transfers for athletic purposes everyone would be better served! If there is a coach that does not support change to the UHSAA guidelines then I would question his "recruiting" practices. Coach Cosper I respect your efforts. It's obvious what the intent was & the UHSAA allows it. To all you Kearns players I am going to follow you through this paper's on line publication & I am wishing you the very best. Pull together & have a great season!

  • Kearns Fan Dallas, Texas
    Aug. 15, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    I picked this story up through your on-line publication. USHAA is a joke! Who thinks for a minute that parents would allow their boys to share what the true motivation for moving actually was & if any coach is going to admit he was at fault? The only way to stop parents & players from moving strictly for athletic reasons is to not allow students to transfer for athletic reasons.If you feel so uncomfortable living in an area are you moving back when your sons are finished with high school & sports? For a so called coach to have demanded I'm calling the plays or I'm moving-your boys sit out! Oh & by the way it's o.k. to try & cause a team to fail so just maybe the head coach will lose his job & you can step in. The most critical point is you have an organization that is supposed to be a ruling body that supports their schools & coaches but has no guidelines that really support them. Continued in next comment!

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    "USAlover....if you are a 3 year starter, why do you leave a program, if you are not promised something?"

    @ Old ball coach,
    Even though you're an old coach, you should be able to understand why families who happen to have athletes need to move. In case you can't think of some, let me provide just a handful.

    1. next door is a meth house
    2. next door is bully/pedophile/jerk
    3. downsizing or upsizing
    4. want extra room for a garden
    5. financial difficulties require sell (shortsale etc)
    6. wife wants a bigger kitchen pantry
    7. current house has asbestos/mold/radon
    8. want to live on a cul-de-sac
    9. want kids to go to different schools
    10.want kids to associate with different kids

    OR!!! Maybe they just want to. Do you really want to punish kids because their parents buy a new house with their own money (breaking no federal or state laws) and move their entire family?

    Seriously??? I hate to see Bingham get better football players but if their family buys a house with their own money and moves their entire family, I believe that is an unpunishable right under the Constitution of the United States of America.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Old ball coach ... Open enrollment has nothing to do with it if the families move into the new school's boundaries. Completely moving a family is enough of a deterrent for most people.

  • AwesomeOpussum4 West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    I say they need to get rid of the transfers period. If you move, oh well, find a way to commute back to the school you were playing for before. Now, if you move far enough away then you would have to transfer, but moving 5 miles just to play for a "better" program is ridiculous!

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    USAlover....if you are a 3 year starter, why do you leave a program, if you are not promised something? Give me a break!

    Andy...if you believe coaches play head games with kids, you miss read the article. Parents wanted the offensive coordinator and the head coaches job.....all because the parents wanted their guys to run the team. Talk about head games!

    End the debates and close off open enrollment. This would never happen though, because the uhsaa feels it needs to do its job by hearing these stupid cases. Utah needs to grow up and get with the times, and end the loopholes. (moving)

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    USAlover hit the main issue on the head.

    Also, I'm new to foot ball as a parent of a first-time player (gremlins) and I'm really shocked and a bit turned off by the politics of this game. Crazy how the coaches play head games with the parents AND the kids. This is way more than a game to many of these guys.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    If an entire family moves to a new home, it is neither their responsibility nor requirement to explain to ANYBODY why they moved, especially some High School Board.

    Give me a break people...